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NASA to Announce New Class of Planets

By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, AP Science Writer

Astronomers have discovered four new planets in a week's time, an exciting end-of-summer flurry that signals a sharper era in the hunt for new worlds.

While none of these new bodies would be mistaken as Earth's twin, some appear to be noticeably smaller and more solid — more like Earth and Mars — than the gargantuan, gaseous giants identified before.


Planet-hunting is the hottest field in astronomy, with hundreds of researchers joining a race that just a decade ago was reserved for a few dreamers. This past week has been a dizzying one with three teams in the United States and Europe rushing to announce their discoveries of new exoplanets — those orbiting stars other than our sun.


On Tuesday, NASA (news - web sites) was expected to cap the excitement with details on what the space agency describes as a "new class" of exoplanets found by one of the American teams, led by University of California-Berkeley astronomer Geoffrey Marcy.


At least two of the newly discovered bodies — including one NASA is expected to describe — probably are comparable in scale to intermediate-sized planets in our solar system like Neptune and Uranus, which are about 14 times the mass of Earth. That sounds huge, but many of the previous exoplanets have been closer to the size of Jupiter, about 318 times the mass of Earth.


"It's been a great week," said David Charbonneau of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass., where scientists announced a competing discovery last week. "They have finally broken through to a new level."


Now many experts say it won't be long before astronomers detect planets that are similar to Earth's dimensions and characteristics — perhaps even suitable for sustaining life with an oxygen-rich atmosphere and oceans.


NASA's announcement comes on the heels of the first discovery ever of a multiple planet system beyond our own solar system by a European team led by Michel Mayor and Didier Queloz of the University of Geneva. The pair discovered the first exoplanet in 1995, and has found dozens of others in what observers describe as a "good-natured," but serious race with the Americans.


NASA officials wouldn't discuss details of the latest findings Monday.


Even the largest planet cannot be directly seen by the best telescopes because it is hidden in the halo of its star's bright glare. But astronomers have come up with methods for detecting these bodies by measuring how much a star wobbles from the gravitational tug of an orbiting planet.


The European team describes its new object as a "super-Earth" that is the smallest planet to be found outside of our solar system.


The planet was spotted in June orbiting a southern hemisphere star called mu Arae located 50 light-years away in the constellation Alter. It orbits mu Arae every 9.5 days and has a temperature of more than 1,160 degrees. Its dimensions are more like Neptune or Uranus, and it represents the upper limit of the size of solid planets.


This "super-Earth" appears to be orbiting between the star and a larger, previously known exoplanet, making it the first multiple planet system to be spotted beyond our own solar system.


"We are getting closer to finding a solar system," more like our own — one that has an Earth-sized planet in the inner region and a Jupiter-sized planet in the outer region, said Alan Boss, a planet-formation theorist at the Carnegie Institution in Washington. Boss did not directly participate in the new planet searches.


"It could be they've found the tip of the iceberg of a wide range of planets of Earthlike masses," he said.


The third and fourth planets are both Jupiter-sized, less Earthlike gas giants. One was spotted by the Europeans and is so close to its parent star that it completes an orbit in just four days. The other was discovered by the Harvard-Smithsonian center and orbits a star in the constellation Lyra 500 light-years away.


What makes the American discovery noteworthy is it was found through a network of small telescopes.





In the next 20 years, NASA hopes to launch new space observatories to get a sharper view of exoplanets and perhaps find some that are more Earthlike. The first mission, known as the Kepler observatory, is scheduled to launch in 2007.

Meanwhile, astronomers caution against jumping to grand conclusions about these strange new worlds.

"Very few solar systems seem to be built along the same lines as ours," said Timothy Brown of the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., who was a leader of the Harvard-Smithsonian team.

Brown compares planet-hunting today to the efforts of early biologists who were confounded by strange new specimens.

"You tend to think that all fish have fins, and then you pull up an octopus," Brown said. "There's just a vast amount that we don't know."
 
Neato :)

I love astronomy. Will have to go see what's cooking at nasa's site. Thanks Abs :)

-Colly
 
Fascinating stuff! However could be dangerous.

What if there are earthlike planets out there? What if they have life on them (religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them ( big religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth ( possible problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth and are advanced enough to do something about it ( really big problem)?
 
R. Richard said:
Fascinating stuff! However could be dangerous.

What if there are earthlike planets out there? What if they have life on them (religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them ( big religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth ( possible problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth and are advanced enough to do something about it ( really big problem)?

More likely, if they have advanced intelligent life, they are avoiding us like the plague. I read a short sci-fi story once long ago, where there were tons of intelligent extra terrestial beings. Earth was off limits, and earthings were considered in the same category with mosquitos. They must serve some purpose, but no one knew what it was.

-Colly
 
neat, but i'm not worried about alien lifeforms not liking us. level of advancement is subjective and it's much more likely that if it other "advanced" lifeforms exist they have no idea we exist or simply don't care if they do. hell, they'd probably have no way of even communicating with us. how many people do you know who can actually speak dog or chimpanzee? now imagine a chimp from another planet that shares almost nothing in common with earth. how would they even begin? they might not even communicate with sound or visual clues. hell, they might talk through chemicals. bah! too much to think about.

anyway, like i said, neat. good post.
 
R. Richard said:
Fascinating stuff! However could be dangerous.

What if there are earthlike planets out there? What if they have life on them (religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them ( big religious problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth ( possible problem)? What if they have intelligent life on them that does not like Earth and are advanced enough to do something about it ( really big problem)?

Think about just the timeline we have on Earth currently with best guesses of time of Big Bang, formation of the planet and emergence of life, and how short in all of that time Man is present. The probability that another planet somewhere might have the same conditions as ours is not unreasonable, but the likelihood that the time of formation and the sequence of events parallels ours AND that planet is within our range of discovery is highly unlikely.

Further, if you accept the theory of a cataclysmic event (or two or three) shaping the development of species, it further reduces the likelihood of parallel patterns on similar times.

The few discoveries that have been made already show the diversity of development and how unique the situation we are in may be.

but if you want another opinion that accomodates both alien intelligent life and religion, try the book, "The Spaceships of Ezekiel".
 
Colleen Thomas said:
More likely... advanced intelligent life ... are avoiding us like the plague...
:eek:Don't go near the lifeform's of Sol III! They have a Societal Disease!
 
killallhippies said:
neat, but i'm not worried about alien lifeforms not liking us. level of advancement is subjective and it's much more likely that if it other "advanced" lifeforms exist they have no idea we exist or simply don't care if they do. hell, they'd probably have no way of even communicating with us. how many people do you know who can actually speak dog or chimpanzee? now imagine a chimp from another planet that shares almost nothing in common with earth. how would they even begin? they might not even communicate with sound or visual clues. hell, they might talk through chemicals. bah! too much to think about.

anyway, like i said, neat. good post.

Farting and tap-dancing. Vonnegut had a little alien who tried to warn everyone. Turned up and started in farting and tapdancing, but nobody got the message.
 
cantdog said:
... Vonnegut had a little alien who ... Turned up and started in farting and tapdancing, but nobody got the message.
Except for that small portion of Latin America that can still interpret the Flamenco and habitually consumes refried beans; there are damn few societies where Vonnegut’s Alien could be understood.

Unfortunately, the alien landed in the wrong region to receive a proper auditing.
 
I figure the aliens are using us for prime time comedy.

(Sitting around methane cooler)

Swerdfrak: "Did you see what the humans were doing to one another last night? That's funny!"
Ferwasg: "I know! Nobody does comedy like those hairless mammals. Did you see there's going to be an 'All Human, All The Time' Web-O-Tainment site starting next month? I'd cheerfully pay for that."
 
Clearly, none of you have read my story 'Alien Invasion Ch 01.'

Before I started writing for Literotica, I worked on several government projects. There was one project of which you will never find any record. There have been other projets with the same name, but the original has few traces.

Someone got the idea to send mathematical sequences via radio-telescope devices. The mathematical sequences are the same for all species. The idea was to say a friendly hello to other sentient beings in the universe. Our greeting pulsed into space.

Then, someone with more wisdom got people who analyze situations for the government to analyze the probable results. As far as I know, the results are still classified. However, it was decided that there were likely to be civilizations of sentient beings out there. Some of them would be at the level of development to receive and analyze our signals. More than one such civilization would be likely to try to destroy us if they could. The project was shut down. In time, I hope.
 
Virtual_Burlesque said:
Except for that small portion of Latin America that can still interpret the Flamenco and habitually consumes refried beans; there are damn few societies where Vonnegut’s Alien could be understood.
Flamenco is Spanish music and dance, i.e, from Europe (though its origins were Spanish-Arabic). P.
 
wow! That's pretty cool. I might need to start studying up on my NASA info. For some reason, I thought Andromeda was multi-planetary...
 
R. Richard said:
... Someone got the idea to send mathematical sequences via radio-telescope devices .... As far as I know, the results are still classified. ... The project was shut down....

Are you telling me that SETI is a rogue organization? :eek:
 
R. Richard?

Too late. The messages are already on their way and can't be called back.
 
I see the probability of contacting aliens at distance as remote in the extreme. In the first place, by the time the message actually gets to them we could well be extinct. In the second place, when it gets to their little corner of the universe, they have to be listening. Next, they have to be able to figure out what the message is. How do you say hi in math? I never did well in the subject. Next, assuming radio waves or microwaves or whatver medium we sent by is directional, they would have to figure out where it came from. Unless they inhabit more than one planet or system, they cannot triangulate and the planet will not be anywhere near where the signal originated from even if they could triangulate. So they will have to be advanced enough to have been keeping up with the motion of the galaxy and the signal's direction will have to be from a point where the back trail dosen't intersect any other galaxy, system or planet. Finally, assuming they do manage to find the originating planet in the correct solar system, in the correct spiral arm of the correct galaxy, you still have to assume they have a means of transportation that could get them here before they could be a threat of any type.

I think you have better odds of Minsue, cantdog, Burley and Sher having a change of heart and voting for GWB are better. That is to say, approaching infinity in the negative.

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I think you have better odds of Minsue, cantdog, Burley and Sher having a change of heart and voting for GWB are better. That is to say, approaching infinity in the negative.

-Colly

:D
 
Let me try to respond to several comments.

No, SETI and other organizations are not rogue organizations. However, small seeming steps by people who have not thought things through can have major negative impacts. The Sepoy Mutiny in British colonial India was caused when old style 'bite through' rifle rounds were furnished sealed with beef tallow. The cow is sacred in India.

The messages are on their way and cannot be recalled. At least we do not continue to beam them. The sudden cessation could be a sign that our society has ceased to exist.

"I see the probability of contacting aliens at distance as remote in the extreme."
If there are other sentient beings out there of at least our level of technical development, the will have radio telescopes or something functionally equivalent. There is a good chance the messages will be received.

" . . . by the time the message actually gets to them we could well be extinct."
Radio waves travel at the speed of light. Even interstellar distance of 100 light years mean that it will take 100 years for the signal to reach such a distant place. A century is a very brief time, even in the history of Earth.

"Next, they have to be able to figure out what the message is. How do you say hi in math? I never did well in the subject."
You do not say 'Hi.' What is transmitted is a sequence of pulses that show an intelligent source is sending them. For instance, the sequence of pulses: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, . . . forms a series of integer squares. Such a sequence would be recognized by any sentient beings as coming from other sentient beings.

"Next, assuming radio waves or microwaves or whatver medium we sent by is directional, they would have to figure out where it came from. Unless they inhabit more than one planet or system, they cannot triangulate and the planet will not be anywhere near where the signal originated from even if they could triangulate."
Radio waves are not only directional, they can be analyzed to find the radio source with extreme precision. The detection array does not have to be multi-satelite systems. I used to design (classified) detection systems for radio wave hosts.

"So they will have to be advanced enough to have been keeping up with the motion of the galaxy and the signal's direction will have to be from a point where the back trail dosen't intersect any other galaxy, system or planet."
In or about the year 1000, Chinese astronomers noticed a 'guest star' (super nova) in their night sky. From ancient descriptions of the event, modern astronomers were able to backtrack the information and discover the dying super nova.

"Finally, assuming they do manage to find the originating planet in the correct solar system, in the correct spiral arm of the correct galaxy, you still have to assume they have a means of transportation that could get them here before they could be a threat of any type."
They do not have to get here to be a danger. They could simply send a weapon that would destroy not just our planet, but our entire solar system or more.

Now, why would alien bad guys (from our point of view) want to destroy us? Well. to answer your question I will need to know your thought processes in somewhat more detail. Answer please the following question:
Something like five centuries ago the Catholic Church tried and convicted the astronomer Gallileo of heresy for stating that the earth revolved around the sun, when the Catholic Church had determined, via religious means, that the sun revolved about the earth. Gallileo was able to escape execution by recanting his belief, but he was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Question: Why?
 
R. Richard said:
Let me try to respond to several comments.

No, SETI and other organizations are not rogue organizations. However, small seeming steps by people who have not thought things through can have major negative impacts. The Sepoy Mutiny in British colonial India was caused when old style 'bite through' rifle rounds were furnished sealed with beef tallow. The cow is sacred in India.

The messages are on their way and cannot be recalled. At least we do not continue to beam them. The sudden cessation could be a sign that our society has ceased to exist.

"I see the probability of contacting aliens at distance as remote in the extreme."
If there are other sentient beings out there of at least our level of technical development, the will have radio telescopes or something functionally equivalent. There is a good chance the messages will be received.

" . . . by the time the message actually gets to them we could well be extinct."
Radio waves travel at the speed of light. Even interstellar distance of 100 light years mean that it will take 100 years for the signal to reach such a distant place. A century is a very brief time, even in the history of Earth.

"Next, they have to be able to figure out what the message is. How do you say hi in math? I never did well in the subject."
You do not say 'Hi.' What is transmitted is a sequence of pulses that show an intelligent source is sending them. For instance, the sequence of pulses: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, . . . forms a series of integer squares. Such a sequence would be recognized by any sentient beings as coming from other sentient beings.

"Next, assuming radio waves or microwaves or whatver medium we sent by is directional, they would have to figure out where it came from. Unless they inhabit more than one planet or system, they cannot triangulate and the planet will not be anywhere near where the signal originated from even if they could triangulate."
Radio waves are not only directional, they can be analyzed to find the radio source with extreme precision. The detection array does not have to be multi-satelite systems. I used to design (classified) detection systems for radio wave hosts.

"So they will have to be advanced enough to have been keeping up with the motion of the galaxy and the signal's direction will have to be from a point where the back trail dosen't intersect any other galaxy, system or planet."
In or about the year 1000, Chinese astronomers noticed a 'guest star' (super nova) in their night sky. From ancient descriptions of the event, modern astronomers were able to backtrack the information and discover the dying super nova.

"Finally, assuming they do manage to find the originating planet in the correct solar system, in the correct spiral arm of the correct galaxy, you still have to assume they have a means of transportation that could get them here before they could be a threat of any type."
They do not have to get here to be a danger. They could simply send a weapon that would destroy not just our planet, but our entire solar system or more.

Now, why would alien bad guys (from our point of view) want to destroy us? Well. to answer your question I will need to know your thought processes in somewhat more detail. Answer please the following question:
Something like five centuries ago the Catholic Church tried and convicted the astronomer Gallileo of heresy for stating that the earth revolved around the sun, when the Catholic Church had determined, via religious means, that the sun revolved about the earth. Gallileo was able to escape execution by recanting his belief, but he was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Question: Why?

If there are other sentient beings out there of at least our level of technical development, the will have radio telescopes or something functionally equivalent. There is a good chance the messages will be received.

This assertion is based upon what? For all you know the sentient life nearest us may be telepathic, or Aquatic in nature. Perhaps they have no ear as we understand it, or perhaps they discount radio waves as mere intergallactic noise pollution. Reaching or exceeding our level of technological developement does not in any way, shape or form suggest their technologies would mirror our own in scope, capacity or functionality. While assuming intelligent life exists beyond our own is taking a leap of faith, assuming that it's type and scope is comperable to our own and that their technology thus mirrors our own is a massive leap of faith.

Radio waves travel at the speed of light. Even interstellar distance of 100 light years mean that it will take 100 years for the signal to reach such a distant place. A century is a very brief time, even in the history of Earth.

Nuclear missiles travel at subsonic and supersonic velocity. About 30 minutes from here to Russia or vice versa, a little longer for China I believe. 100 years on a planet where several contries possess the means to bludgeon us all to death is a mighty long time. While I am at it, the vast majority of planets and systems will fall far outside your 100 light years. It is no too much of a stretch to assume the nearest technologically advanced life forms are also outside that distance by a large leap.

What is transmitted is a sequence of pulses that show an intelligent source is sending them. For instance, the sequence of pulses: 1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 36, . . . forms a series of integer squares. Such a sequence would be recognized by any sentient beings as coming from other sentient beings.

Yes. And so would regular interval radiowave bursts. Oops, that's a pulsar. High level X-ray emmissions. Yeah. Oops. That's a black hole. The basis of that conjecture is that your radio wavies carry information in such a way that it cannot be mirrored by a natural phenomena. Thus far we have discovered pulsars, quasars, neutron stars, etc. etc. etc. Each of these were at first hailed as possible extra terrestrial life and each was eventually explained by natural phenomena. So your assumption here is there is nothing in the universe that mirrors your information. And you are further assuming that if such a thing does exist, the aliens you are trying to reach haven't discovered it already and so won't discount your signal.

Radio waves are not only directional, they can be analyzed to find the radio source with extreme precision. The detection array does not have to be multi-satelite systems. I used to design (classified) detection systems for radio wave hosts.

In or about the year 1000, Chinese astronomers noticed a 'guest star' (super nova) in their night sky. From ancient descriptions of the event, modern astronomers were able to backtrack the information and discover the dying super nova.


100 years from now earth will be nowhere near where earth is today. I mean you will still find us in the spiral arm of the milkyway, orbiting good ol Sol, but sol, the spiral arm and the earth along with it will have moved a long long long way. I find it hard to swallow that any other sentient race is paying a huge amount of attention to this particular zip code in space. When you pass into further reaches of space, you get an ever more remote view of us, here.

They do not have to get here to be a danger. They could simply send a weapon that would destroy not just our planet, but our entire solar system or more.

If we are assuming a tech level similar to ours, exactly how are they sending this weapon? If we are assuming a tech level significantly advanced to have achieved FTL or nearl FTL speeds, then why would they need particular radio waves from us to find us? Surely they would be so advanced they could find us from other waves we have beamed into space?

Something like five centuries ago the Catholic Church tried and convicted the astronomer Gallileo of heresy for stating that the earth revolved around the sun, when the Catholic Church had determined, via religious means, that the sun revolved about the earth. Gallileo was able to escape execution by recanting his belief, but he was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Question: Why?

Answer: Fear is one component, fear of what such a discovery meant in light of church dogma. Fanaticism is another, a solid belief in the infallibility of the holy see. Exactly what bearing this question has on a hypothetical doomsday alien scenario. I admit, I haven't the foggiest.

-Colly
 
"For all you know the sentient life nearest us may be telepathic, or Aquatic in nature. Perhaps they have no ear as we understand it, or perhaps they discount radio waves as mere intergallactic noise pollution. Reaching or exceeding our level of technological developement does not in any way, shape or form suggest their technologies would mirror our own in scope, capacity or functionality. While assuming intelligent life exists beyond our own is taking a leap of faith, assuming that it's type and scope is comperable to our own and that their technology thus mirrors our own is a massive leap of faith."

For a life form to reach true, meaningful sentient level, there are a number of step that must be passed. The most basic is use of tools. Use of tools stems from fire (the argument is long, complicated and very obvious once you have walked the path). If we do find another sentient life form, it will not be aquatic.

Nuclear missiles travel at subsonic and supersonic velocity within the atmosphere of the Earth. If you allow a space launch and ample fuel, it is easy to approach light speed.

"Yes. And so would regular interval radiowave bursts. Oops, that's a pulsar. High level X-ray emmissions. Yeah. Oops. That's a black hole. The basis of that conjecture is that your radio wavies carry information in such a way that it cannot be mirrored by a natural phenomena."

You assrtion is correct, your analysis is incorrect. Yes, there are natural phemomena that create radio emissions. There are not natural phenomena that create most classical mathematical sequences. Said classical mathematical sequences are not a product of our society or even our planet, they are truly universal and do provide a definite indicator of sentient life. This last is particularly true when said mathematical sequences are repeated time and again.

[In or about the year 1000, Chinese astronomers noticed a 'guest star' (super nova) in their night sky. From ancient descriptions of the event, modern astronomers were able to backtrack the information and discover the dying super nova.]


"100 years from now earth will be nowhere near where earth is today. I mean you will still find us in the spiral arm of the milkyway, orbiting good ol Sol, but sol, the spiral arm and the earth along with it will have moved a long long long way. I find it hard to swallow that any other sentient race is paying a huge amount of attention to this particular zip code in space. When you pass into further reaches of space, you get an ever more remote view of us, here.]

What you say is all true. However the super nova observed by the Chinese was in another star formation a very long way from Earth. The computers of a truly advanced society would rather easily find the source of the radio emission and the future (not present) position of Earth if said society decided to launch missles (death rays, etc.).

They do not have to get here to be a danger. They could simply send a weapon that would destroy not just our planet, but our entire solar system or more.

[Something like five centuries ago the Catholic Church tried and convicted the astronomer Gallileo of heresy for stating that the earth revolved around the sun, when the Catholic Church had determined, via religious means, that the sun revolved about the earth. Gallileo was able to escape execution by recanting his belief, but he was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life. Question: Why?]

Answer: Fear is one component, fear of what such a discovery meant in light of church dogma. Fanaticism is another, a solid belief in the infallibility of the holy see. Exactly what bearing this question has on a hypothetical doomsday alien scenario. I admit, I haven't the foggiest.

OK, the doomsday alien society has a religion that says that they are the only sentient beings in the universe, and they are created in the shape of God. If we exist, their religion is wrong. Worse yet, if we have a different shape, their has to be another God or Earth is a collection of godless beings. Destroy them!

If you doubt my analysis, check out the current discovery of a village called 'Monte Verde' in Chile. Using classical radiocarbon dating, Monte Verde is some 13,500 years old. If Monte Verde is some 13,500 years old, the ionhabitants did not come over the land bridge across the Bering Straight, because said land bridge did not exist until 13,000 years ago. Several religious goups are fighting acceptance of the discovery of Monte Verde because it could possibly undermine the biblical Garden of Eden.
 
I think we will have to agree to disagree. I see no reason an aquatic lifeform cannot gain sentience. As I recall dolphins are thought to be highly intelligent, as close to sentience as the great apes.

You take in a lot of territory claiming anything is universal. You haven't even found another lifeform yet, but already you think to define it by universal standards? Thats a very blind leap of faith in my estimation.

I don't claim to be an astrophysisist, nor do I have a degree in quantum mechanics, or even a through background in planetary geology. I can read Hawkings A Brief history of time without having my brain melt down. It along with several other books make up my background in this area, but I think you are taking in a lot of territory with your assertions that aren't supported by facts. It could well be argued thay are not disporven by facts either. To my mind reaching a sentient lifeform with our current level of technology would be something akin to finding a needle in a hay stack. Not impossible, but highly imporbable.

-Colly
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I think we will have to agree to disagree. I see no reason an aquatic lifeform cannot gain sentience. As I recall dolphins are thought to be highly intelligent, as close to sentience as the great apes.

You take in a lot of territory claiming anything is universal. You haven't even found another lifeform yet, but already you think to define it by universal standards? Thats a very blind leap of faith in my estimation.

As a life-long science fiction fan, I've seen thousands of "first contact" scenarios and intellignet life-forms postulated.

Alien Life-forms seem to fall into three categories:

  • Xeno-phobic and hostile (or hungry) aliens that want to subjugate Earth or destroy it.
  • Peaceful and benevolent teachers willing to share their advanced technology as soon as Humans "grow up" and stop killing each other
  • Totally incomprehensible and incompatible intellectually or biologically.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that whenever and however "first contact" happens, it will probably be a human xeno-phobe that screws things up.
 
Weird Harold said:
Personally, I'm of the opinion that whenever and however "first contact" happens, it will probably be a human xeno-phobe that screws things up.
Ah, you mean an American.

Perdita ;)
 
perdita said:
Ah, you mean an American.

Perdita ;)

While we Americans do have a majority interest in the arrogant xeno-phobe market, we do NOT have a monopoly on it. :p

Think about how a fundamentalist Imam would react to aliens from outer-space! If investment in their country by other humans is seen as corrupting their cuture, would investment by non-humans be any more acceptable?

I doubt that any aliens we encounter will be Serbian or Croatian, so that's at least two more groups that will hate them and want to "cleanse" them.

Our own home-grown conservative christians will probably welcome the with open arms and a knife in the back, just a they express their belief that Islam is essentially good while inciting the lynching of all muslims.

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that there are aliens who already know we exist and have quarantined us in a "nursery" until we grow up or kill ourselves off.
 
I remember reading in The Andromeda Strain about an Air Force study where they convinced people they had met aliens.

Apparently about 80% of the people reacted with homicidal xenophobia.

I know, it's fiction. But it's also silly enough to be true.
 
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