New forum topic?

[sheablue]

It's the readership that doesn't give Sci-Fi & Fantasy the love. Authors are producing plenty of work. Sci-Fi&Fantasy is #12 on the list of categories with the most posted submissions ( out of 31 )

If you add NonHuman, which parallels the category more often than not, it would be #5.

There's plenty of work in the genre. The readership just isn't as keen on it as they are for other categories.

I guess I'm thinking if there was a place to discuss it, the different genres, how they are different, inspiration, history, etc, where does erotica fit into it, why does it sometimes become secondary, something might change.

Basically, I'm pursuing this because it is an interest of mine, and I feel erotica fits so well with sci-fi, horror and fantasy, if done well. I think there are plenty of readers out there who are looking for more of a story, who are looking for more than a stroke. I'm one of them.

Bisexuality definitely deserves it's own category for story submission.

Can anyone tell me how BDSM got two separate forum topics? What makes that different than anything else? Why wasn't there a furor over, "if they get one, why can't all the other categories?"

I think a genre like sci-fi, horror and fantasy is a bigger arena than just anal, or interracial or even loving wives. Stories that address any or all of those categories could fit into a genre like sci-fi, horror and fantasy.

Do you see what I mean? Sci-fi/fantasy/horror is a genre that transcends erotica, not just a story category. What other story categories can say that? That would be my argument for why it deserves it's own forum topic, and not the others.

 

[Sammael Bard]

Can anyone tell me how BDSM got two separate forum topics? What makes that different than anything else? Why wasn't there a furor over, "if they get one, why can't all the other categories?"

The forum is dedicated to BDSM as a lifestyle and not BDSM story category of Lit. Nobody enters the BDSM forum with an intention to discuss BDSM stories. Even if they do, it has nothing to do with the mechanism of story, but with the how-to of BDSM itself.

Making a thread dedicated to Sci-Fi problems/discussions/how-to/ideas is what I think is best since dedicating an entire sub-forum sounds too big a space for a category that cannot fill that required space. It'll be a ghost forum like Story discussion and Story Feedback. A few dedicated people might post in the beginning, and then, they'll fade away too.

 

[sheablue]

The forum is dedicated to BDSM as a lifestyle and not BDSM story category of Lit. Nobody enters the BDSM forum with an intention to discuss BDSM stories. Even if they do, it has nothing to do with the mechanism of story, but with the how-to of BDSM itself.

Making a thread dedicated to Sci-Fi problems/discussions/how-to/ideas is what I think is best since dedicating an entire sub-forum sounds too big a space for a category that cannot fill that required space. It'll be a ghost forum like Story discussion and Story Feedback. A few dedicated people might post in the beginning, and then, they'll fade away too.

FWIW, I'm in support of the BDSM forums, just wondering if there was a furor over it, I wasn't around then.

Maybe a sub-forum is too big a space, maybe it's not. But a thread is too small a space. There are lots of different topics to discuss, even within each sub-genre. It would be impossible to find separate topics and conversations in just one continuous thread.

RR said that there is plenty of stories in the genre. So why would it be a ghost town if the authors of so many stories started discussing them? No one knows for sure it would be a ghost town, that's just an opinion.

Maybe sci-fi, horror and fantasy writers aren't on the boards that much because there is no where to go to discuss their craft.

 

[Swilly]

Does anyone know if it is possible to get a new forum topic added to the Main Literotica Forum? Is this something that only Laurel and Manu decide? Is it something one could ask them?

Never hurts to ask, Shea.

My guess is that something like the BDSM forum isn't really about the writing, but rather about the lifestyle. As I browse the forum topics and descriptions, it seems as if discussions of writing in any topic other than poetry seems to be relegated to the AH.

Of course, the worst that can happen is Laurel says no or just ignores the request. Why not out it out there?

 

[SecondCircle]

Sex or Suicide. It was MMF. A bisex girl, straight guy, and gay guy playing a drinking game. Three chapter story. For portions of the story, it did involve direct male to male foreplay as well as male to male sex, with the female looking on.

It did better than I would have thought. My initial guess is that it'd be tosses like any other Mano y mano story. I'd say the straight to gay ratio in the story was even.

Not saying Group's doors are wide open to Bisex, but I read there a lot too and it may be the most forgiving.

Of course a poster a while back brought up the fact that it has to involve both sexes almost at the same time or nearabouts. There really seems to be no hope for s story that's about say... a guy knocks boots with a woman, then later separately does it with another guy. The latter half would probably be the trip up.

Just a thought though. Group readers seem to not mind as much. Some of the readership accepts it.

What form of bisex? That's also a problem here. FMF, FFM, MMF, MFM aren't the same turn ons and one can be turned on by one and put off by another. I see tension and reticence in the LGBT forum here in lumping them all together for thread discussions. (Not to mention that some straights drop in and post as if it's a straight forum.)

I would consider putting FFM in Group, but, after some experimentation with it, I wouldn't put MMF or MFM there with any hopes of a favorable read.

That would be (and I think has been) an argument for not starting into the bi categories--that to do it well, it would be several. Of course we have, what, 21 or so straight categories here (and could use more).

Another argument would be (and has been) that the whole category split is going to go away "soon" in a total redo of the Web site. Of course, the "soon" is pushing a decade in actually showing up, though.

 

[sr71plt]

Group doesn't cover bisexual, by the way. If you have a story where a female is involved in an FF scene and then a different MF scene, this isn't a group act.

 

[SecondCircle]

Group doesn't cover bisexual, by the way. If you have a story where a female is involved in an FF scene and then a different MF scene, this isn't a group act.

True, that's what I was referencing. It can only cover bisex elements that are actually group oriented, not separate affairs.

I know it's kind of a waste to talk about it, but I think the various styles of bisex wouldn't be bad to put in one Bisex category. In TS/CD, I've noticed a good bit more F to M transgender lately. That's quite a separate puppy from F to M transgender. Seems like the crowd there is accepting of both kinks without too much squick or backlash.

Not to mention there's already a lot of "dual" categories. TS/CD is both for transgender and crossdressers, humor/satire can actually be separate things but are lumped together because of the similarities.

As a bisex reader, I personally wouldn't have a problem with MMF, MFM, FFM, MFMFMFMMF, bisex male, bisex female or any of it being lumped together.

 

[sheablue]

Well, I got a very nice response from Laurel, touting the awesomeness of the genre, but explaining that the only time a new Forum sub-topic is created is when there are so many threads on it on another board that it warrants its own topic. She doesn't see that kind of discussion on the boards now, which is true.

I guess the next thing for me to do is to try to drum up enough discussion that someday it may warrant it's own category.

Stay tuned.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I wanna nominate, STORIES IN SERIOUS NEED OF ONE-BOMBS and WRITERS IN SERIOUS NEED OF HUMILITY.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

The AH has become a bit of a ghost town itself.

And you are one of the main factors. Think about it.

 

[sr71plt]

Quite seriously, Elfin, I do think that the insane harassment of me by you and Hatecraft over the years has been a factor--but I lay that on you, for initiating it, and other posters for not just slapping you two down for it (a few have from time to time) and apparently expecting me just to roll over and take it.

Of late, the quiet was mostly due, I think, to over a dozen regular posters removing themselves to a parallel meeting ground. Go look at the names that popped up on the mud wrestling the last week between the self-appointed "best erotica writers" group and Hatecraft--and go back and see the last time these folks posted before coming out to go for a few rounds with Hatecraft. their sudden departure left the AH in a downshift.

I know my assessment isn't as fun as yours is, but I think it's closer to the truth.

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JAMESBJOHNSON, 6/26/15: I've been bombing the shit outta your stories just for the fuck of it. Youll never see a 3 again!
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1197987, post #26