New Birth Control Pills: Seasonale, Seasonique & Yaz...?

[amicus]

Watched a movie on a women's channel earlier today and the advertisements caught my eye and my ear and I did a small google, mainly to get the spelling right.

I don't think I have ever expressed a position, even an opinion on birth control devices on this forum, perhaps...but I think not.

These new pills advertise such things as reduced bloating, reduced mood changes and reducing the length and trauma of periods and even the frequency of periods to perhaps one period every three months instead of monthly.

I am not even sure where I would prefer this discussion go, if it goes anywhere at all, but in listening to the ads, I thought about the impact, social and personal, of reducing, or eliminating the fertility in women as a matter of course.

I would guess that 'some' women, would like to completely eliminate the monthly cycle of fertility and infertility and all the things that go with it.

I am tempted, but not going to fall into the trap of expressing a personal preference at all, or a moral or ethical position, although my own personal experience and philosophical tenets dictate a certain basis that I would defend, but I am just curious as to how women view the new contraceptive chemicals.

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Amicus...

 

[reignophelia]

http://fewerperiods.com/IsItSafe/ProsAndCons.aspx

http://www.yaz-us.com/home.jsp

With skepticism dear. Fortunately my periods aren't as bad as they have been in the past.

Didn't they say that "The Patch" was safe, but then came out with new warnings about it?

http://www.orthoevrasideeffectslawsuit.com/?gclid=CJ6k2Jb8l48CFQIQFQodYXpneQ

I also have (I work with women) a coworker who had an IUD which stopped her periods and rendered her infertile (for up to five years supposedly). Well, it started to fall out, and if her fiance had tried to have intercourse with her at that point, he would have been injured.

http://www.mirena-us.com/howmirenaworks.html?c=S1&WT.srch=1



From the ages of 11-18 my periods were so bad that I would vomit, and even passed out on the bathroom floor in the 7th grade.

When I was 11 I started saving up my allowance money for a hysterectomy; that's how badly I wanted it out. I know, I have an active imagination as well...

Birth control freaks me out though. Firstly, although the side effects affect few women, the thought and threat of embolism is enough to scare me away.
I've taken it before, but I do not take it now. I felt weird with all those extra hormones in my system - just not "right."

I'm still fertile, and not done having children yet, so my stance is: if he wants me badly enough he can suck it up and wear a condom.

I'm hardly if ever having sex right now, so it's kind of a mute point anyway...

I have female friends who have had a partial hysterectomy, and they like to brag about it.


I say: if it works for you do it, if it doesn't, then don't.

If a woman doesn't want her period, and wants to make a permanent choice regarding that, I strongly support that as well. Women undergo tubal ligation all the time. If it's safe, why not eliminate the period as well?

-Such a personal choice.


Some day...

 

[Chantilyvamp]

Well I for one don't want to get rid of mine completely and I'm dubious of anythig that says every three months. Every woman is different anyway and they may say they do this or that but it all comes down to how the womans body reacts to that type of birth control.

Now I wouldnt mind some of the sideaffects of that time to take a hike. After a bad experience with the supposed miracle shot that came out when I was in University I seriously thought about never touching a birth control method other than condoms again. On my friend the shot worked great, once every 3 months she got a shot. On me it set off a year long bout of hell that I would like to never ever repeat again, once a month is fine with me a whole freaking year again and I'd pass out cold.

So it all will come down to how it reacts with your body and should be looked at with catioun. I always wonder what missing periods all the time, or part of the time, would do to your body later with it screwing around with your natural cycles. That's just a thought in my head with no proof and no time to look it up and see if there is any research.

 

[S-Des]

A young woman of my acquaintance tried this product earlier this year, and it didn't work for her. It had nothing to do with birth control, she needed it because of severe periods that concerned her doctor (and our first weekend together caused her to experience one a couple of weeks ahead of schedule) and caused her extreme pain. She had tried everything else, so finally underwent the electric shock procedure (the name escapes me at the moment), which has worked flawlessly for the last 7 months. I can't comment on the birth control aspect of this, but I agree with Chantily that it won't work for some women, so they should be careful about their expectations.

 

[amicus]

http://fewerperiods.com/IsItSafe/ProsAndCons.aspx

http://www.yaz-us.com/home.jsp

With skepticism dear. Fortunately my periods aren't as bad as they have been in the past.

Didn't they say that "The Patch" was safe, but then came out with new warnings about it?

http://www.orthoevrasideeffectslawsuit.com/?gclid=CJ6k2Jb8l48CFQIQFQodYXpneQ

I also have (I work with women) a coworker who had an IUD which stopped her periods and rendered her infertile (for up to five years supposedly). Well, it started to fall out, and if her fiance had tried to have intercourse with her at that point, he would have been injured.

http://www.mirena-us.com/howmirenaworks.html?c=S1&WT.srch=1



From the ages of 11-18 my periods were so bad that I would vomit, and even passed out on the bathroom floor in the 7th grade.

When I was 11 I started saving up my allowance money for a hysterectomy; that's how badly I wanted it out. I know, I have an active imagination as well...

Birth control freaks me out though. Firstly, although the side effects affect few women, the thought and threat of embolism is enough to scare me away.
I've taken it before, but I do not take it now. I felt weird with all those extra hormones in my system - just not "right."

I'm still fertile, and not done having children yet, so my stance is: if he wants me badly enough he can suck it up and wear a condom.

I'm hardly if ever having sex right now, so it's kind of a mute point anyway...

I have female friends who have had a partial hysterectomy, and they like to brag about it.


I say: if it works for you do it, if it doesn't, then don't.

If a woman doesn't want her period, and wants to make a permanent choice regarding that, I strongly support that as well. Women undergo tubal ligation all the time. If it's safe, why not eliminate the period as well?

-Such a personal choice.


Some day...

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Followed your links, visited the 'Yaz' one earlier before I posted the thread, thank you for the personal aspects of your post, it adds a dimension I could not.

I noted that I did not desire to use anecdotal incidents so as not to direct the discussion, but...it seems perhaps necessary.

In a ten year marriage, I/we, produced five children, I love em all, using, of course, no contraceptives whatsoever.

We both chose and appreciated the 'freedom' of that relationship; but then, we both agreed beforehand on desiring a large family.

Your post made me much more aware of the risks and the reasons and I appreciate that. Thank you.

Amicus...

 

[Vermilion]

In fact most women I know who are on chemical birth control actually do it to reduce their menstrual symptoms, rather than *as* birth control.

I certainly do. I'm on the pill, but we use condoms as well. The pill is for my comfort (to put it mildly), the condom is because we can;t afford children right now.

x
V

 

[amicus]

In fact most women I know who are on chemical birth control actually do it to reduce their menstrual symptoms, rather than *as* birth control.

I certainly do. I'm on the pill, but we use condoms as well. The pill is for my comfort (to put it mildly), the condom is because we can;t afford children right now.

x
V

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Hi, Red Shoes...interesting...sighs...another personal...I hate condoms, refuse to use(poetic).

A 'metaphysical' inquiry, if I may...about, 'can't afford children right now...', I understand that of course, well, maybe..as if economics should control love and/or procreation, ahem...(sorry)

But a woman releases only so many eggs in her fertile years...each one is a separate entity, as is the sperm that may or may not fertilize it.

I happen to think, (and I am trying to choose my words, each and every one, carefully), that the moment of the conception of a new human life, should be, uhm, how shall I say, memorable and with intent?

I think I am suggesting, in a literary and romantic sense, that an aura of mystery and chance, ought well play a part in human procreation, absent chemicals and plastic....

Am I too much the romantic?

Amicus....

 

[Vermilion]

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Hi, Red Shoes...interesting...sighs...another personal...I hate condoms, refuse to use(poetic).

A 'metaphysical' inquiry, if I may...about, 'can't afford children right now...', I understand that of course, well, maybe..as if economics should control love and/or procreation, ahem...(sorry)

But a woman releases only so many eggs in her fertile years...each one is a separate entity, as is the sperm that may or may not fertilize it.

I happen to think, (and I am trying to choose my words, each and every one, carefully), that the moment of the conception of a new human life, should be, uhm, how shall I say, memorable and with intent?

I think I am suggesting, in a literary and romantic sense, that an aura of mystery and chance, ought well play a part in human procreation, absent chemicals and plastic....

Am I too much the romantic?

Amicus....

Yes, you are... and you aren't. I also feel a child should be created with love and intent, but I also feel that having a child should be a wonderful and joyous occasion and I don;t know how that could be in our current position.

We're neither of us employed (he's a research student, I'm in job training) we have less than £10k in savings and we're living on university property.

I refuse to become a burden to the state and I refuse to get pregnant in our current economic position because we can barely afford to keep ourselves. it is not fair or reponsible to bring a child into the world. Far better that we wait until we *can* afford it and every second of that pregnancy and that child's life is a joy, knowing that we can afford to support them.

It's a sad state, but yes, economics *should* control love and procreation. If I have a child it is my and my partner's responsibility to raise and support that child if we're physically and mentally able. We are, we've just not reached an economically viable situation yet - we don;t even have a house (and with starting prices in this area at about the $240,000 mark we won;t any time soon). How can you have a child when you don't have a house/flat?

We're also still reasonably early in our relationship and I feel it is of far more benefit to a child to be born into a relationship that has been explored and tested more fully; a relationship already proven to be strong and stable.

I am also only 24...hardly an old crone just yet. I think I may have a few more fertile years left to me.

Does that explain things clearly enough?
V

 

[cloudy]

Good lord, I don't even know where to begin...

Ah, well, never mind. Suffice it to say, ami, that for one who professes to "love" women, you sure would put us in a cage at the first opportunity. How sad, that we scare you so badly.

 

[amicus]

Vermilion, jeez, girl, you make this so very personal and I did not and do not wish to make it so...

I surely cannot relate to you in brief terms the state of mind in which I think and write, such as now...my personal life is a different matter, I can only aspire and attempt to fullfill that which I seek.

On a purely theoretical basis, I posit that the attraction between two humans of opposite gender is a matter of chance and circumstance. How that meeting progresses involves variables too complex for me to calculate and categorize, but when it happens that they find comfort in each other to the extent required to bring about the possibility of creating a new life, I think those circumstances should be valued.

Shit, if I ran into a lady that filled my eyes and my heart and my soul and I gave her a baby, I would move heaven and earth to make it work, no matter the circumstances and the environment. And yes, I know, that is not what common everyday life is all about, but should we not aspire to it and should we not instill that in our children?

For if we do not, then who will give them dreams?

Amicus...

 

[OhMissScarlett]

You know what, Ami, I wish you could be nine months pregnant with a ten pound baby, just for a day. I bet it would feel really fucking romantic.

 

[Vermilion]

Vermilion, jeez, girl, you make this so very personal and I did not and do not wish to make it so...

I surely cannot relate to you in brief terms the state of mind in which I think and write, such as now...my personal life is a different matter, I can only aspire and attempt to fullfill that which I seek.

On a purely theoretical basis, I posit that the attraction between two humans of opposite gender is a matter of chance and circumstance. How that meeting progresses involves variables too complex for me to calculate and categorize, but when it happens that they find comfort in each other to the extent required to bring about the possibility of creating a new life, I think those circumstances should be valued.

Shit, if I ran into a lady that filled my eyes and my heart and my soul and I gave her a baby, I would move heaven and earth to make it work, no matter the circumstances and the environment. And yes, I know, that is not what common everyday life is all about, but should we not aspire to it and should we not instill that in our children?

For if we do not, then who will give them dreams?

Amicus...

Dreams are wonderful and you should encourage them, but when it comes down to it you need to be able to feed them.

Perhaps we should go celibate until we have money then?
honestly Amicus, join the real world.

 

[Just-Legal]

Watched a movie on a women's channel earlier today and the advertisements caught my eye and my ear and I did a small google, mainly to get the spelling right.

I don't think I have ever expressed a position, even an opinion on birth control devices on this forum, perhaps...but I think not.

These new pills advertise such things as reduced bloating, reduced mood changes and reducing the length and trauma of periods and even the frequency of periods to perhaps one period every three months instead of monthly.

I am not even sure where I would prefer this discussion go, if it goes anywhere at all, but in listening to the ads, I thought about the impact, social and personal, of reducing, or eliminating the fertility in women as a matter of course.

I would guess that 'some' women, would like to completely eliminate the monthly cycle of fertility and infertility and all the things that go with it.

I am tempted, but not going to fall into the trap of expressing a personal preference at all, or a moral or ethical position, although my own personal experience and philosophical tenets dictate a certain basis that I would defend, but I am just curious as to how women view the new contraceptive chemicals.

?



Amicus...

All I'm going to say is this:

As most of you know, I was recently diagnosed with Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome. I have an extreme case and my fertility is little to none, but I still have "periods". My consultant has prescribed something similar to the above to be taken constantly, as I'm not ovulating anyway there is little to no point to have a bleed, and it will alleviate my symptoms.

So yes, I'm "for" doing away with periods, but that is my opinion and mine alone.

EDIT: Totally forgot to add that one of the reasons the particular medication my consultant has prescribed is for me is because it levels my moods out - Its almost impossible to work in the job I do and be all over the place emotionally. I've been through hell with my hormones and to be honest, outside control is probably a good thing.

 

[Guest]

I almost died having my children. No contraception = early grave.

 

[elsol]

*cough*

I don't think nature intended 70 year olds to get wood.

The guys get ED pills.

The ladies get to go without the bloating.

I'm good with that deal.