Neither Side Gets It Yet.

Ahhh, James, a little theatre for the 'usual suspects?' Or a coming out of the closet to join and support the muted voices that tremble before King Obama and his Court?

What say?

Most professional disciplines are somewhat isolated from each other, out of necessity I would propose, as each has its' own special language and code words. Ayn Rand, regardless of your slurs, was the pre-eminent Philosopher of the 20th Century and I challenge you to offer one other who even approaches her innovative new and inclusive world views.

Even more importantly, she provided a roadmap of the contributing disciplines, especially in Classical Economics and Objectivist Psychology that offered a continuity of thought between the Ancients and the Modern Thinkers.

"Paying the Devil" is an old sailors term concerning caulking seams in a wooden boat in difficult places to reach. The only inkling of intelligence in your whole paragraph is the unspoken, by you, inter-relationship between Government and Corporations brought about by increased regulations and restrictions that require the market place to meet government requirements as a primary goal instead of the traditional and productive profit motive. Business will survive, regardless of what it is called upon to manufacture to, 'pay the piper', of big and growing government.

Your National Parks, National Forests, NASA and NOAA, and a host of other Government entities are non profit making organizations supported by tax monies and providing high wages and top benefits for Union members.

None of those organizations were foreseen or given authority within the Constitutional limits on government and many exist because of Executive decisions for social purposes; again, not the intent of the Constitution.

There are over 16 million American's current unemployed at the present time, 10.2 percent of the work force. Credit for small business is still available, although less so than before, especially to risky, low income buyers, as the Financial sector struggles to survive against Government odds that are weighed heavily against them.

Small businesses that have adapted to the constricted spending of the general public are in fact expanding and hiring, which is what small business does when the economic environment undergoes a change.

Your uber foolish Keynesian solutions have been tried and failed miserably and in essence, are the cause of corporate dependence on the whims of a manipulative Federal Reserve and regulatory agencies.

I read before in an earlier post of yours, the silly idea of a 'Manhattan' like project for the energy industry, and laughed to think you might even be remotely serious.

I find it amusing to be called a conservative, stuck in the past on one hand, and then a 'futurist', in the Tofler manner, on the other. It may come as a complete surprise to you, but a 30 year mortgage is a projection of trust into the future as is the construction of a Nuclear Power Plant or an Electical Transmission Grid, or for that matter, a MagLev Rail System between major Metropolitan areas.

You advise placing the future of the nation in the hands on myopic bureaucrats in Washington as you increase the number of Federal agencies and employees, none of whom produce anything but paper, aka 1990 page House Health Bill.

The health bill as it stands now, would create 22 new Federal Agencies and over 200,000 new government employees, none of whom are proctologists or even authorized to dispense an aspirin.

Your Grand Energy Plan, Cap and Trade, would eviscerate the economy, cause even greater unemployment, destroy the Coal and Natural Gas Industry, double the cost of energy to heat your home and cool your food and bring about a further reduction in the standard of living of every American.

Yeah, JBJ, you have a great plan, one that if implemented, would turn this nation into a third world banana republic.

Neither you nor I will be around to reap the misery, but our kids will and their kids will and that I find tragic.

I trust you will enjoy your new found friends on the Left, I am sure they will all gather round and applaud.

Amicus
 
AMICUS

I plot my own course, dear. I have Rand's books, subscribe to some of her thinking, and she was a despot with an entourage of ass-kissers who liked her abuse.

Amicus you totally ignore the reality commerce and industry cope with. Amicus Inc cannot build dams or canals or highways where it damned well pleases. Yet these creations do much good. So effing what if the army corps of engineers build them?

If I'm a Leftie the Usual Suspects are in deep shit.
 
AMICUS

You miss the issue entirely. Seventeen and one-half percent of America is out of work.

With respect to your pie in the sky futurists, people need to work to pay their bills. The US Government has been known to create commercial marvels, like the Panama Canal, the Internet, the interstate Highway System, and other creatures that enriched our commonwealth without becoming socialist money pits.

I cant think of one goddamned reason we cant spend 787 BILLION Dollars to modernize America as opposed to giving the effing money to bankers, Wall Street, and the unions/bureaucrats.

America needs energy independence. We could do it! We could build steel mills and refineries no one could equal. But all we've done is privatize dividends and socialize losses, and put 7.3 million Americans out of work while we talk silly shit advocated by the Randists and Toflers and Marx.
You're finally seeing the light - value added economics is dependent on modern infrastructure, thus infrastructure is the first area where value added economics needs to be applied.
 
AMICUS

I plot my own course, dear. I have Rand's books, subscribe to some of her thinking, and she was a despot with an entourage of ass-kissers who liked her abuse.

Amicus you totally ignore the reality commerce and industry cope with. Amicus Inc cannot build dams or canals or highways where it damned well pleases. Yet these creations do much good. So effing what if the army corps of engineers build them?

If I'm a Leftie the Usual Suspects are in deep shit.

I can't believe how socialist you've become, James. Amicus is right, you're gonna ruin the coal industry with your nefarious collectivist plans. Someone get me Ellis Wyatt on the phone. We'll set fire to the coal mines, have 'em burn for a thousand years like in Centralia PA. Oh wait, that was just a plot point from a shitty novel.
 
Don't get me started on WalMart. I went nutzo on them when I discovered that 70% of the containers moving through the port of San Francisco was from China destined for WalMart. That's fucking scary. Whatever happened to "Buy American"?

Here locally, we have a chain of stores called Fred Meyer. Ami know about them. The person Fred Meyer kept WalMart out of the Portland Metro area for years. He died and his successors sold out to Sam's Club. Sam's Club - WalMart? What's the difference?

WalMart lives on the "Lost Leader" and "Bait and Switch" concepts. Both concepts are illegal under the FTC rules, by the way. For instance, Chinese Televisions for only $129.95. but it's a piece of shit and when you arrive at the store they tell you how bad it really is and try hard to switch you to a Sony at $249.95.

Then there's the story about RubberMaid. I won't even fucking go into that.
 
The end point, and one I assume all can agree on is - jobs. They are needed. Descent paying ones, low paying ones, and high paying ones. They are what makes the economy go around. The question that causes the arguments is - how and where do we get them? For that, I have only guesses, like everyone else.
 
I can't believe how socialist you've become, James. Amicus is right, you're gonna ruin the coal industry with your nefarious collectivist plans. Someone get me Ellis Wyatt on the phone. We'll set fire to the coal mines, have 'em burn for a thousand years like in Centralia PA. Oh wait, that was just a plot point from a shitty novel.

You and AMICUS are full of doo-doo. Way back when Rockefeller was operating Standard Oil he discovered that building oil refineries everywhere was a fool's game because of local politicians and local interests and local scams to get bribes. So he moved all the refineries to one, central location, and cut his headaches to a small fraction of their former number. Move the business to New Jersey and no more lawsuits and bull shit from every Mid West city, county, state, and injured citizen.
The Federal Government is about the only entity that is equipped to handle the local yokels.

Fuck the coal miners and socialists.
 
Neither side yet understands that America needs jobs...period.

With employment people deposit money in banks and make house payments & car payments and buy stuff. They also pay taxes when they have jobs.

GOP tax cuts dont help if you make no money to owe taxes on. It helps the folks who already have plenty of money.

Obama stimulus money merely helps union bureaucrats and union autoworkers and banks that loan the money back to Obama.
Hell, JBJ, why aren't you picking apples in your spare time instead of posting to Lit?
 
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