Neighbor mind control

[NegateGivity]

This idea just came to me

Happily married couple have a new neighbor move in. Husband is large athletic type. Wife is a curvy housewife. One day husband comes home to find wife distraught on the couch. when pressed why she admits to having sex with neighbor and doesn't know why she did. Husband is understandably angry and goes over to confront neighbor. What she doesn't admit is how slutty she acted or how much se enjoyed it. Immediately upon confronting neighbor husband has overwhelming need to submit sexually to neighbor. This is strange because he has never been attracted to another man before. After husband has sex with neighbor, he goes home and realizes what he's done. Once away from neighbor he is confused about what he did. He's still not gay but really enjoyed what happened. He goes home and goes right to bed not understanding how his life has changed in the last 24 hours.
The couple try to avoid neighbor, but any time they see him they instantly submit. When they are with him they want to do anything he suggest. Once they leave, they remember their enthusiasm and desire to do what they were told, but no longer hold those feelings. It's not like they are zombies only doing what they are told. They are active participants in their debauchery, that is the thing that eats away at them. When they are with the neighbor, he doesn't force anything.

 

[sirhugs]

what is the mind control gimmick?

 

[gunhilltrain]

what is the mind control gimmick?

I've always wondered why mind control is such a popular trope. Maybe it's because mostly male writers and readers think - perhaps unconsciously - that it's reliable way to get a decent sex life (however that is defined). There is evidence that sexual activity for younger men has been becoming less common recently.

 

[sirhugs]

I've always wondered why mind control is such a popular trope. Maybe it's because mostly male writers and readers think - perhaps unconsciously - that it's reliable way to get a decent sex life (however that is defined). There is evidence that sexual activity for younger men has been becoming less common recently.

mind control is hard to write to Lit standards as well.

 

[NegateGivity]

what is the mind control gimmick?

ambiguous and undefined
It's just uncontrollable compulsion

 

[AlinaX]

Would work better if they felt they had been persuaded by the guy.

"Hey Mr. Did you sleep with my wife?"
"Well, yeah. But she's gorgeous, isn't she? I bet everyone would fuck her if they got the chance."
"Well, yes - but they can't. She's my wife."
"And very lucky to have you as a husband. You're a very attractive man."
"I, uh, thanks. But -"
"After this morning, I'm sure she won't mind if you have a little extramarital fun."
"That's not the point! And I'm not gay."
"Of course not! But, you know, men give the best blow jobs. I can prove it, if you like?"
"I... think I need to go home."
"I think you need to come... inside. Haven't you ever wondered what it's like to suck on a hard cock?"

 

[sirhugs]

ambiguous and undefined
It's just uncontrollable compulsion

then how do we know it is mind control versus hormonal compulsion?

 

[gunhilltrain]

then how do we know it is mind control versus hormonal compulsion?

I suppose mind control is some kind of supernatural or science-fiction technique to get other people to have sex with you. I suppose it could be hypnosis or psychological efforts too. Yeah, it pushes Lit standards because where does the coercion start? I got away with it on another site because the guy using it was actually having very vivid hallucinations. They were certainly wild imaginings because he thought he was having sex with virtually every plausible woman he saw in the street or in a store.

 

[sirhugs]

I suppose mind control is some kind of supernatural or science-fiction technique to get other people to have sex with you. I suppose it could be hypnosis or psychological efforts too. Yeah, it pushes Lit standards because where does the coercion start? I got away with it on another site because the guy using it was actually having very vivid hallucinations. They were certainly wild imaginings because he thought he was having sex with virtually every plausible woman he saw in the street or in a store.

I'm not sure "mind control" and "plausible" go together. Maybe with hypnosis or drugs. But I'm not into that so never explore it.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I'm not sure "mind control" and "plausible" go together. Maybe with hypnosis or drugs. But I'm not into that so never explore it.

By "plausible" I meant that he was attracted to them, and thus added them to what were basically his fantasies (which seemed to him to be realities). "Plausible" also impies that his standards weren't that high - merely "fuckable" was enough.

The whole Lit attitude towards mind-control, well, it doesn't make sense. The only reason somebody would use a technique (whatever it is) is so that he (probably it's going to be a male) can attract a woman who would otherwise not be interested. If in the end, she decided she does want him, or even did want him all along, then it's mostly a cop-out. The same issue comes up with "non-consent." The only time I've used non-consent is when it's a completely faked role-play,

P.S.: A woman who uses mind-control - that would be interesting. Why would she do it? I'm guessing that for a woman it would be more of a romatic/emotional quest rather than a purely physical one as would be more likely for a male. There are exceptions to all of this, of course. Also, wouldn't she understand that it's not truly an "emotional" connection if she needed some external force to make it happen?

 

[AlinaX]

Or the external force is just a catalyst. Mind Control can be fun.

 

[sirhugs]

By "plausible" I meant that he was attracted to them, and thus added them to what were basically his fantasies (which seemed to him to be realities). "Plausible" also impies that his standards weren't that high - merely "fuckable" was enough.

The whole Lit attitude towards mind-control, well, it doesn't make sense. The only reason somebody would use a technique (whatever it is) is so that he (probably it's going to be a male) can attract a woman who would otherwise not be interested. If in the end, she decided she does want him, or even did want him all along, then it's mostly a cop-out. The same issue comes up with "non-consent." The only time I've used non-consent is when it's a completely faked role-play,

P.S.: A woman who uses mind-control - that would be interesting. Why would she do it? I'm guessing that for a woman it would be more of a romatic/emotional quest rather than a purely physical one as would be more likely for a male. There are exceptions to all of this, of course. Also, wouldn't she understand that it's not truly an "emotional" connection if she needed some external force to make it happen?

why not purely physical for the woman? The nerdy gal with glasses who is still dressed by her mother is tired of all the mean girls and cheerleaders getting the hot guys, so she whips up a love potion... the twist might be that the hot guy tuirns out to have a tiny penis?

 

[gunhilltrain]

why not purely physical for the woman? The nerdy gal with glasses who is still dressed by her mother is tired of all the mean girls and cheerleaders getting the hot guys, so she whips up a love potion... the twist might be that the hot guy tuirns out to have a tiny penis?

I guess it's possible; look at all that lust on TikTok videos that women make. They brag about their hook-ups and "body count." (That had a very different meaning in Vietnam.)

I think it's actually a "lust potion," not a love potion per se. As in the old Twilight Zone episode where a guy slips such a potion to the woman he wants. It seems that she is not really in love with him, but rather has a stalker-like, mentally-unbalanced obsession with him. She's as annoying as hell, and he wants it to end. Rod Serling was pretty canny about such things.

So lust, yes, possibly. Probably not love, assuming there is such a thing. (I think it can exist long-term, but it's a bit rarer than many people imagine.)

P.S.: I think you can find the title of the episode and then see it on YouTube with a bit of looking.

 

[AlinaX]

A spell that will make any boy want you for 24 hours, even the hot boyfriend of that girl you hate. Only catch, and you don't know this (yet): he won't love you or respect you, and won't care about consent and legality, he will want to fuck you in every perverted way he can imagine - and everyone will know you deserve it.

 

[gunhilltrain]

A spell that will make any boy want you for 24 hours, even the hot boyfriend of that girl you hate. Only catch, and you don't know this (yet): he won't love you or respect you, and won't care about consent and legality, he will want to fuck you in every perverted way he can imagine - and everyone will know you deserve it.

That was sort of the point of Rod Serling's episode, although it wasn't just about sex. (in 1960 that had to be implied, not stated.) When the woman takes the potion or is under the spell, she doesn't appear to love or respect him either. She does attempt to "please" him, with things and attention he doesn't necessarily want, to the point of distraction.

The Chaser

The version of YouTube is the episode as it is seen by the channel's reviewer, and thus has some of the footage but not all of it. So, in both these cases, it's artificially induced, not a natural attraction between two people, and thus is a big disappointment to those who thought they would benefit from it. That would apply to any attempt at "mind control."

 

[LupusDei]

Competent mind control would be totally transparent to the victim(s). And totally too easy for the perpetrator. Thus all we tell stories about is the failures.

There's so many variations and variables "mind control" could work on, just for the complexity of the mind itself.

Just few simplified cliche examples from victim's perspective:

-- pure motor control rape: "What? Why I am unbuttoning my blouse? Oh my God, I wanted to call for help not beg to be fucked!"

-- step by step command: "I have to strip! I would like die if I don't! Ohh, now I need a cock in me! Huh, his will conveniently suffice..."

-- triggered instinctive behavior: "Fuck how I want to fuck! Fuck I want, now, fuck! I would now fuck anyone right now, even him! Yeah!"

-- induced physical attraction: "Damn, he's actually the cutest thing ever, with all those scars! Don't mind the missing teeth that would just make kissing more interesting. And his smell, so offputting if on anyone else, but his is pure aphrodisiac!"

-- irrational emotional attraction: "he's actually the best man at the heart, that he's acting as a total asshole, he's just hurt. I just have to be that good for him, give myself to him and dig to it, I know it's there..."

-- enslavement, internal motivation: "my purpose in life is to serve him. It's best I could possibly do with my life. Its best for me, he's the best that could possibly happen with me..."

-- enslavement, external motivation: "he's the most important person in the world; world peace and future of humanity depends on him -- on me pleasing him. What I may want or feel is unimportant, he is so far more..."

There's many more variations. Almost any of these can also happen in real world in self induced form, perhaps bar the ffirst as that would require quite same mental disorder, and perhaps in less intensity than we would portrait it in mind control case.

Artificially induced, any of them would likely trigger secondary rationalizations that eventually might, in theory, completely replace the necessity of the initial mind control. That's the attraction of the cheat, even when not consciously realized, the "it's just a little push, if I get her there, the rest will follow naturally." Of course, the abuse doesn't just go away and as any game won by cheating it doesn't bring the anticipated satisfaction, in full.

Typically, the (would be) mind controller has so low self esteem, self confidence and assessment of own social skills they think they have no chance at all in the normal matting game, or alternatively, simply don't want to participate, put in the work, or the availability of a cheap cheat past all of the bullshit is just too attractive.

 

[sirhugs]

why would it be totally transparent? Do you mean invisible?

 

[LupusDei]

why would it be totally transparent? Do you mean invisible?

Yes. That's what I mean.

There first should be realization anything at all is wrong, and a competent abuser would easily cast doubt and confusion even after first errors that allow such in first place.

Of course, we routinely see totally silly things forced right out of the box, for "why not" and extreme impatience, with little to no defensive measures in place, and thus those are sorely visible by the bystanders if not the actual victim in moments of lucidity.

 

[sirhugs]

lucity, I find, is overrated.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Yes. That's what I mean.

There first should be realization anything at all is wrong, and a competent abuser would easily cast doubt and confusion even after first errors that allow such in first place.

Of course, we routinely see totally silly things forced right out of the box, for "why not" and extreme impatience, with little to no defensive measures in place, and thus those are sorely visible by the bystanders if not the actual victim in moments of lucidity.

I think I was trying to say that "transparency" (lack of awareness on the part of the subject) is only part of the problem. The other is the mindset of the perpetrator himself (or maybe it's herself, as AlinaX postulated above). If they are really honest with themselves they would realize that it's a completely artificial situation and that they failed to attract the other person with their own personal qualities.

For some people, that would be fine, as long as they got who they wanted. For a few, even knowing that it's artificial would not be relevant.

There is a parallel here with prostitutes and probably gigolos too. Deal with them if you wish. But keep in mind that they are interested in your money or other resources, not in you as a person. They don't have to even like you, and many probably don't. It's the people who think there is some deeper relationship going on who are setting themselves up for a disappointment.

P.S.: Probably most prostitutes are honest about what they really want. It's the ones who are selling something like a "girlfriend experience," usually at a big mark-up, who are peddling bullshit. If that's what one wants, then either ignore the reality of it or accept it for what's actually going on.

 

[LupusDei]

I think I was trying to say that "transparency" (lack of awareness on the part of the subject) is only part of the problem. The other is the mindset of the perpetrator himself (or maybe it's herself, as AlinaX postulated above). If they are really honest with themselves they would realize that it's a completely artificial situation and that they failed to attract the other person with their own personal qualities.

For some people, that would be fine, as long as they got who they wanted. For a few, even knowing that it's artificial would not be relevant.

Yes, the mindset as typically portrayed is that the perpetrator has no hope or confidence to get whom he wants so they jump at the chance whatever the costs.

However, haven't you ever thought the artificiality of the situation is a kink here all on itself? I bet it is.

 

[gunhilltrain]

Yes, the mindset as typically portrayed is that the perpetrator has no hope or confidence to get whom he wants so they jump at the chance whatever the costs.

However, haven't you ever thought the artificiality of the situation is a kink here all on itself? I bet it is.

I'm sure it is a kink for some people; almost anything can be. For myself, I have occasionally imagined it as a fantasy, although not a preferred one. Would I actually do it, even with those limitations, if it was possible?

Well, it's unlikely to be truly possible any time soon. But if it was, would I be tempted? It might depend on some other things, like my age, who I was actually going with at the time, and other factors. But, yes, I would be tempted. Self-delusion is a powerful force.

 

[NegateGivity]

Wow there is a lot of discussion from my story idea of a magic man that causes loss of inhibitions and creates lots of debauchery. I don't know how you'd classify it but it is told from the "victims" pov. They encounter this individual that while in his presence make them act without inhibitions and act out any deep repressed carnal desires. Then after leaving his presence they return to their normal lives. Then they have to come to terms with their actions. They both realize that they enjoyed what they did but it was everything they had been supressing all their adult lives.
I haven't figured out the wife's angle yet, but the straight laced husband's latent bisexuality. They also realize that anytime they get near this guy, they again lose control to their baser desires. So that is where the conflict comes in. Both know that being near this guy is like a drug that causes them to commit adultery, and can't really fault the other knowing that they will lose control. But knowing doesn't change the emotions involved. Knowing that your spouse going out to get the mail might cause them to cheat on you is still going to cause turmoil, even if you know it's out of their control. The feelings of anger and helplessness, knowing that they will regret doing it after they leave but in the moment they will love every second of it. That's the other thing, they remember how good it feels to be with mystery man and that compounds the guilt.
This is just the idea that's been rolling around in my head for the last week, when initially thought of a wife and husband ending up cheating with the same guy.

 

[AlinaX]

I'm sure I watched a film or something where this was part of the plot. (Without magic.)

 

[NegateGivity]

When I say magic, I don't mean like he's a wizard or anything like that. Just that for whatever reason this otherwise normal, mundane couple can't control themselves around him. It's something no party is in control of. The neighbor isn't making them do anything, but when they are near him husband and wife are like addicts. At least not initially, once neighbor realizes he has this power over the couple, then there are a few avenues this can go down. Is he magnanimous or does he become sadistic? Does he even want this power over these two? How do the couple react when everything they thought they knew about themselves is tossed out the window? Like I said earlier the mind control is vague and undefined for the purpose of the story. Right now I'm just working on the dichotomy of the couple who, prior to meeting the neighbor, thought they were happy. But being with neighbor makes them feel happier and freer than they have ever felt in their lives. Now they feel regret when they are away, but why? Do they regret their actions or what they lost? How do they proceed?
All of this because I thought "know what would be funny? A husband goes to confront his wife's lover and ends up blowing him. That would be funny." Then the snowball just rolls on from there.