national front in france wins 1st round election

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French far-right candidate near major upset


PARIS (AP) — In a huge upset, extreme-right leader Jean-Marie Le Pen qualified today to face incumbent Jacques Chirac in the run-off for French president, according to media projections based on exit polls.

Le Pen, who virulently opposes immigration and has been accused during his long political career of racism and anti-Semitism, was projected to place second by all three major French networks, beating Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, who was in third place.

The projected result was seen as a political earthquake. For months, polls had consistently projected that Chirac, a conservative, and Jospin, a Socialist, would be the top two finishers in Sunday's first round.

Le Pen is founder and head of the National Front party, which historically has blamed immigrants, especially from North Africa, for high unemployment and urban violence. He is notorious for once describing the Holocaust as "a detail" of history. He has denied he is anti-Semitic.

He attributed his victory to the deep concern among French voters over rising crime — concern that, he said, hadn't been addressed by the government.

"There is a dramatic state of (public) insecurity in our country," he said, "and those responsible for it, the people have understood, are Jospin and Chirac."

Speaking just after the projections were announced when polls closed at 8 p.m., Le Pen called the result "a great flash of lucidity by the French people."

Neither Chirac nor Jospin had an immediate comment.

There was also no immediate reaction from other European governments, though Le Pen's apparent success was likely to cause concern in countries like Germany and Italy, where governments are also coping with anti-immigrant sentiment.

Flamboyant, charismatic and also frequently boorish, Le Pen, 73, is something of a French institution. He's played a central role as kingmaker in past presidential elections, with a typical score of 15 per cent. He placed third in the last two races; now, in his fourth presidential campaign, he could conceivably be elected president in the May 5 run-off.

A former paratrooper who fought in Indochina and Algeria, the silver-haired Le Pen strikes a chord among voters who fear that the French identity is being displaced by waves of mainly Muslim immigrants from North Africa. Le Pen often compares immigration to an invasion.

Only a matter of weeks ago, Le Pen was complaining that he might not get the required 500 endorsements from elected officials to become a candidate this year. He blamed Chirac for trying to sabotage his campaign.

Also during the campaign, Chirac had to publicly deny allegations that he met personally with Le Pen between the two rounds of the 1988 presidential contest — a sign of how isolated Le Pen is from the political establishment.

France has been governed since 1981 by Chirac's mainstream right or the Socialists on the left. Centrists held power in previous terms.

For Jospin, a political heir of the late Socialist president Francois Mitterrand who has served as prime minister since 1997, Sunday's apparent results were a crushing blow.

The three French TV networks based their projections on exit polls conducted by three top polling firms: Sofres, IPSOS, and CSA.

The firms estimated variously that Chirac had won between 19.8 and 20 per cent of the vote; Le Pen between 17 and 17.9 per cent; and Jospin 16 to 16.1 per cent.

Sunday's first-round voting featured a record 16 candidates and an abstention rate estimated at 28 per cent — the highest in nearly four decades.

Many voters said they were disillusioned because Chirac and Jospin were well-worn faces in France who did not represent change. Also, many saw few differences between Chirac and Jospin's political platforms. Both pledged to stem rising crime, cut taxes and reduce unemployment.

French people in the streets expressed astonishment when they heard of the media projections.

"That's not possible," said Agathe Romon, 17, a student in Paris. "It's unbelievable. We were all expecting a duel between Jospin and Chirac."

On a Eurostar train leaving London for Paris on Sunday evening, travellers exclaimed in disbelief after the election result was announced over the loudspeakers.
 
Happened in austria with Jorg Haider a year or so back... The NF guy has just edged out Jospin to get into second place to go into the final round with Chirac

The left will unite around Chirac... it'll be ok
 
It would seem to me that the line in the article about Muslim immigration says it all. From what I've read lately the young Muslim youth have no identity in France, and the rise in crime is directly attributed to this group. Seems that the French electorate are sending a message. Wonder if anyone is listening? At the same time, the British are revising their immigration policy, As they too have been dealing with immigration from the middle east. The pendelum always swings two ways, perhaps now its begining to swing to the far right in Europe after years of swinging to the left.
 
i think muslim immigration is a wonderful thing ... muslim community has one of the most wonderful history and culture i welcome it into our country for one ... its a scapegoat to blame any ethic group for crime ... of course there has to be limits to legitimate immigrants though

anyway perhaps im getting off subject i just find it terrible that a far right group can attract so many voters in europe :(
 
without wishing to judge or condem the french people i think their voting system did help this happen ... so before people assume france as a racist country should wait for the 2nd round of voting ... i think the people will come out in force for that to show the national front party what they think of them
 
This was expected...

The main news about the French elections that has hit the headlines in recent weeks is the apathy amongst French voters.

The two main candidates Chirac and Jospin have had a cosy power sharing arrangement for the past six years with Chriac as President and Jospin his right wing Prime Minister. Both men have had numerous attempts at the French Presidency.

The news coming out of France over the weekend was that the French voter will use this first round to register a protest, or throw away vote, and that Le Pen would benefit.

The second round between Chirac and Le Pen in two weeks time will show Jospin's supporters and those others who used their vote for 13 other 'no-hoper' candidates, swinging behind Chirac thereby giving him another victory.

"With more than 85 percent of the vote counted, Chirac had 20 percent, compared to 17 percent for Le Pen and 16 percent for Jospin. Those results were in line with exit poll findings. The rest of the vote was split among 13 other candidates."

ppman
 
Not really that great a shock, we've had 7 months of stories of how the nasty muslims want to slaughter us all and the FN is the party that says kick them all out so they gain votes. As pointed out earlier Austria and Italy both had far right parties as junior partners in coalition governments. I agree Chirac will now go on to win very convincingly. I don't think we need to start fortifying the white cliffs of Dover yet.
 
android1966 said:
I don't think we need to start fortifying the white cliffs of Dover yet.

You mean it's too early to dust down my Vera Lynn records?

Aawww!

:)
 
Well unlike everyone here...I say go far-right president...But maybe that's because I'm pretty far right. Not racist, surely, but still far right. It would be great to see a barrier in Europe against Socilism...Yeah, well, I'm a liberitarian, so far-right is better than socilist. And also, what are the other branches or government for? Control. Don't freak if he wins, he won't get to do whatever he wants with the country, I'm sure.
 
LauraSG said:
Well unlike everyone here...I say go far-right president...

then he'd kick out all the immigrants and a shitload of them will come through the tunnel and that'll give ppman a shitload of problems.... :D

"Hold on, Lads.... I've got a plan"
 
As far as I understand it there are two big issues which have been in front of the people for some time.

The first is unemployment. Job security is a big thing here. People do not expect to be made redundant. Factory closures, like Moulinex in Normandy, provoke enormous fear in those who have work.. The French do not live in the same economic climate as UK people where redundancy and moving on has been almost the norm for 15 years.

The odd thing here is that Le Pen's politics blames immigration for unemployment when in fact is is the cost of employing people which is dissuading potential investors from coming here. Shutting down an operation in France is a very costly process. His politics will do nothing at all to protect the French from the economic realities of the open market to which they are still blind. What may well be under threat is one of the best social security systems in the world which underpins a genuinely high standard of living - even for the worst off, and possibly the best health service in the world.

The second is the matter of crime. The media pick up on the issue of "securite" at every opportunity. It makes good press. In Paris I feel much less safe than I used to, largely because there is a genuine risk of muggings which are almost always drug-related. So there's a drug problem. I don't need to lock my car. My house is never locked. My change is always correct. France is largely rural and most of the population live in a security undreamt of even in Britain. Yes, there's an inner-city issue. Le Pen has no strategies for tackling it. "Crime" is an issue in the mind more than in reality.


The muslim thing - sexy-girl is right - is actually a cultural plus for France. It is a myth to dump social problems at their door. However, strong prejudices do run through the population. France was responsible for the most awful atrocities in their war in Africa and there is not a village here without a veteran of that campaign who is only, 40 years on, only now finding words for their guilt, their revulsion, at being involved in the massacres and tortures. The true story is emerging but slowly. My personal belief is that the blindness to the humanity and richness of the muslim culture is a collective psychological defence to protect the nation for acknowledging it's responibilty for the rape, torture and murder the French committed. "If we did that to them, they must be evil."

The good news is that Le Pen will not progress. Perhaps France will. I'm afraid the shock of ecomomic reality will be severely felt here during the next Presidency - what is sure is that France is moving into a period of considerable change.
 
I'm bumping this up. France, "Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite" nearly five million French voted for the far Right!
The presidential choice is now between the right and the far right.
 
Blue Birds Over

p_p_man said:
You mean it's too early to dust down my Vera Lynn records?
Aawww!
:)
Now I know I'm old. I get that joke.
 
Hmmm...,

If France were to collapse socially, economically, would the EU feel obliged to step in?
 
SINthysist said:
Hmmm...,

If France were to collapse socially, economically, would the EU feel obliged to step in?

It's not a question of that SIN. The EU embraces all sorts and is going to be even larger with the likes of Poland. It's big enough to take a lot of shocks. Social and economic collapse is not on the cards.

What is likely is a period in which the French feel the economic change which Britain felt over a decade ago and for which they are quite unprepared. It's still a country in which the consumer exists largely for the sake of the producer, for example; where farmers are paid to grow uneconomic crops and in which administration is an end in itself. People earn their livings through perpetuating obsolesence with style. They are still educating their kids for the court of Louis XIV, believing that the French language embodies an unchanging culture.

Individually it is quite the opposite. Paradox seems to me to be inherently in their blood.
 
Yes, I've had relatives like that...

When tough economic times come, people tend to group... Think the French have it in them for one more bloodbath?
 
SINthysist said:
Yes, I've had relatives like that...

When tough economic times come, people tend to group... Think the French have it in them for one more bloodbath?

No. Everyone is very comfortable here. I spend a lot of time with alcoholics: they must be the best off alcoholics in the world - in terms of social care and protection. The poorest can live by going through re-hab every few months for life, which is prolonged by their super health care.

No bloodbath here. Race riots are always possible - like in Britain last year. The French have not easily allowed the muslim community to develop its identity on an equal footing with the white French. For example, in England you will see many mosques, features now of our larger cities. The French have been very slow to grant planning permissions - so very real ghettos have grown up. They have had to establish their identity on the sly - that's always dangerous.

These are my personal observations, please don't take them as more.
 
No mob like a drunken mob...



Yeah, maybe they got it all worked out of their system. Honestly can say that I don't spend much time thinking about the French and when I do, it's as a quaint, backwards kind of people. Hold-overs from another millennium. Don't know why...
 
SINthysist said:
No mob like a drunken mob...



Yeah, maybe they got it all worked out of their system. Honestly can say that I don't spend much time thinking about the French and when I do, it's as a quaint, backwards kind of people. Hold-overs from another millennium. Don't know why...

Not a bad description if it weren't for their streaks of brilliance which can suddenly produce the world's best doctors, artists, philosophers, psychoanalysts, footballers and armament designers. A funny lot indeed.
 
did you vote freescorfr ? ... reading more about this it seems many french people didnt vote because it was the 1st round

do you think that perhaps the french voting system caused this guy to get in ... a man that said "the holocaust was a detail of history"
 
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