Nambla

[bored1]

NAMBLA -The North American Man Boy Love Association is being sued by the parents of a 10 year old boy who was raped and murdered by an adult male. As I understand it the parents believe the mans behavior was the direct result of information provided on the NAMBLA web site on how to attract young boys.The ACLU has decided to defend NAMBLA under the right to free speech. NAMBLA has since removed the infomation from the site. So how about those NAMBLA boys? Can anyone defend what they stand for?

 

[RawHumor]

So how about those NAMBLA boys? Can anyone defend what they stand for?

Apparently SOMEone can... leave it to the ACLU - as long as the defendent isn't a Christian group, they'll find a way to defend them.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Just to be clear about what the ACLU does -- they aren't defending the psychopathic pigs of NAMBLA, they're making sure a conviction against them for posting words isn't used as a precedent to get YOU put in jail for typing words like "I'm going to kill you!" to a bud in a chat room. The ACLU is an organization dedicated to upholding the Constitution, not wack-jobs. A hell of a lot of oppressive legislation can be enforced against good people the minute you change the rules for the fuck-wads of the world just because they're fuck-wads.

Now, as for NAMBLA and their Constitutional rights, what this country needs is a new Amendment allowing me, personally, to shoot every one of their fucking members in the kneecaps.

 

[Sateema Lunasi]

I know very little about them, but the little I know i find disgusting. What I find more than a little disturbing is that there is a strange breed of "feminists" who think they are just peachy. I don't get it. Camile paglia (sorry if I spelled it wrong, you know who I mean) ran a few articles in magazines saying how NAMBLA was natural and should be embraced, not sneered at. I about blew my lunch. The very thought of a 50-something man with his hands on a ten year old makes me sick. And to think that a woman who calls herself a "feminist" endorses it, well, that is beyond my comprehension.

No, I can't stand up for what they do in any way.

 

[Weevil]

I think it's obvious that anyone on the board would agree that NAMBLA is about as vile and disgusting as an organization can be.

 

[RawHumor]

I know very little about them, but the little I know i find disgusting. What I find more than a little disturbing is that there is a strange breed of "feminists" who think they are just peachy. I don't get it. Camile paglia (sorry if I spelled it wrong, you know who I mean) ran a few articles in magazines saying how NAMBLA was natural and should be embraced, not sneered at. I about blew my lunch. The very thought of a 50-something man with his hands on a ten year old makes me sick. And to think that a woman who calls herself a "feminist" endorses it, well, that is beyond my comprehension.

No, I can't stand up for what they do in any way.

Well, she's made me wanna puke on more than one occasion. I once heard her say that it could be feasible for a woman to sue her ex-boyfriend for damages just because he broke up with her.

And DCL, I'm not disagreeing with the right to send any kind of e-mail or private messages, but posting certain things in public SHOULD be banned. It's illegal to post child porn on the net, as it should be. I believe that this particular case involved them posting methods of seducing a minor into sexual relations. I'd say that should be enough to get the site shut down - even if it's not enough to have them thrown in jail or otherwise prosecuted.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I wasn't defending what NAMBLA did, I was defending the mission of the ACLU. NAMBLA can kiss my consenting adult ass.

 

[KillerMuffin]

Here ya go, Sateema:

http://www.salon.com/april97/columnists/paglia970415.html

"As far as Ginsberg's pro-NAMBLA stand goes, this is one of the things I most admire him for. I have repeatedly protested the lynch-mob hysteria that dogs the issue of man-boy love. In "Sexual Personae," I argued that male pedophilia is intricately intertwined with the cardinal moments of Western civilization. Donatello's historically pivotal bronze sculpture, "David" (1430), was my main exhibit -- a languidly flirtatious work that would get the artist arrested for kiddie porn these days. In "Vamps & Tramps," I said that Western moralism and hypocrisy have driven the matter underground and overseas, where impoverished Third World boys now supply the sex trade.

Allen Ginsberg was the apostle of a truly visionary sexuality. Like the expansive, sensual, democratic Whitman but unlike the twisted, dishonest, pretentious Foucault, he saw the continuity between great nature and the human body, bathed in waves of cosmic energy. Seen from this pagan perspective, Ginsberg's celebration of boy-love was pure and sinless, demonstrating the limitations of Judeo-Christian paradigms of sexuality."

 

[RawHumor]

I wasn't defending what NAMBLA did, I was defending the mission of the ACLU. NAMBLA can kiss my consenting adult ass.

I understand that completely, and I DO understand that NAMBLA has the right to an attourney... but how much of a waste of breathing space will the ACLU defend?

 

[Weevil]

Can anyone defend what they stand for?

No, but a teacher of mine said something interesting about them. I'm paraphrasing but he said that the same culture that gave us incredible advances in math, science and literature the same culture that produced some of the best and most ingihtful philosophical minds that ever walked the earth also didn't bat an eyelash about a 50 year old man and a ten year old boy. So, he asked, have our morals evolved to a higher point or has the influence of Judeo-Christian morality masked our eyes to the mores of other cultures(I forget that last part a lot, I was staring at my future wife at this point)

Either way, I think they're pretty nasty as a group. I'm against killing but I think locking the creepy fucks away could do nothing but good.

 

[RawHumor]

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No, but a teacher of mine said something interesting about them. I'm paraphrasing but he said that the same culture that gave us incredible advances in math, science and literature the same culture that produced some of the best and most ingihtful philosophical minds that ever walked the earth also didn't bat an eyelash about a 50 year old man and a ten year old boy. So, he asked, have our morals evolved to a higher point or has the influence of Judeo-Christian morality masked our eyes to the mores of other cultures(I forget that last part a lot, I was staring at my future wife at this point)

Either way, I think they're pretty nasty as a group. I'm against killing but I think locking the creepy fucks away could do nothing but good.

Actually, that's a good point about the ancient Greeks. We still use the term "Platonic friend" today in reference to a man who was against that kind of relationship then... that shows how significant he was then for his stance.

At the same time, should we be more tolerant of Hitler because of the medical discoveries he may have made?

 

[Weevil]

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At the same time, should we be more tolerant of Hitler because of the medical discoveries he may have made?

I don't think so, but I don't think Nazi Germany is a great paralell with ancient Greece.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

but how much of a waste of breathing space will the ACLU defend?

I don't know, and the ACLU has its stupid moments, too, but every time they defend a creep whose civil rights are about to be pissed on I feel like they're also defending your rights, and therefore they can breathe as much as they like.

As for the Greeks -- they knew astronomy, but not very much about brain development, so I think we can claim superiority on this issue, and legislate appropriately.

 

[RawHumor]

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I don't think so, but I don't think Nazi Germany is a great paralell with ancient Greece.

It's not a GREAT one, maybe... but I think the point is valid.

Do we overlook a society's or a person's "sins" (for lack of a better word - use atrocities or wrongdoings if you'd prefer) because they/he has something significant to add in another area just so that we can call ourselves tolerant?

My brain is not up to this right now... I'm not even sure my sentences are making any sense.

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

Without taking any moral position on this whatsoever, should we

1) give back parts of California and Texas to Mexico, which we took as imperialists?

2) take away the giant lake and canal we forced into the mountains of Panama without that country's permission (essentially)?

3) legislate that any company still existing that built its fortune on the backs of slaves pay reparations to a fund to finance black empowerment?

It's a BIG can of worms, ain't it?

 

[Sateema Lunasi]

Thank you, KM. That wasn't the one I had read before but it said some similar things by Paglia.

Paglia seems to think she knows a hell of a lot about male homosexuality. I wonder how many gays want this woman to run in front of a bus?

It's bad enough that closed minded folks think all gay men are into 10 year old boys, and this retarded bitch runs around touting this garbage and acting like she knows something about something she cant possibly know anything about. It's sad, really.

 

[Bob Peale]

On a related (and suitably left field noet), if you ever get the chance you should try to locate a copy of Compulsion by Meyer Levin.

It is the true account of a very famous murder trial...two University of Chicago students, out of boredom, try to commit the perfect crime. They abduct someone, kill him, disfigure him, and attempt to collect ransom. Scarily, they almost get away with it.

Now, that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is that the boys are wealthy (ok, that's not it either!), and their fathers hire Clarence Darrow (of the Scopes Monkey Trial fame) to defend them. A good part of the book is devoted to Darrow having to reconcile his disgust with their behavior with his strong belief in the law and the right to fair representation.

 

[Monazwx]

Everyone has a right to representation, but people associated with NAMBLA especially after this have to have a few screws lose. The murderer should have the book thrown at his balls and the key shoved up his @ss (or wait, he may enjoy that too much).

 

[Phoenyx]

and here I thought NAMBLA stood for

North
American
Marlon
Brando
Lookalike
Association

 

[Guest]

your all a bunch of fucking homofobes.

 

[lavender]

 

[bored1]

your all a bunch of fucking homofobes.

When I was 10, I had an adult male relative repeatadly "molest" me. Now thats a polite word for being forced into oral and anal sex, As I recall it wasnt very pleasant. Now as an adult I find that I dont hate gays, I only hate adult males who think its ok to have sex with defenseless children