My philosophy is feminist, -- my pussy just wants to be pounded

[Stella_Omega]

Moving this topic because threadjacking was imminent

...I am still a feminist, but I don't think my views would be accepted by women I admired in the past. And yes, my proclivities are what they are. I don't care where they came from. The more I embrace my inner pervert, the happier I am.

I think most of us have to grow past the feminist heroes we once had-- grow or die, yanno? And many of our feminist heroes have grown past those original statements they made, too.

Feminism and masochism are NOT mutually exclusive. Not even emotional masochism. Not even, ghawd help me, emotional masochism that gets attached to gender roles. Just remember that masochism is not gendered. Not in itself.

personally, I would tell anyone who started in on how women should not allow men ( because after all, you are hetero) (but really, we are talking about specific men, of her choosing) to 'treat them like that" that they are being very denigrating. They are belittling the strength of her desires, her needs. They want her to sublimate and pretend she doesn't need or want what in fact she does-- and how is that feminist?

In your earlier post, what did you mean by "mansplaining", that makes me think of men rationalizing something stupid they have done. Also, what did you mean by the politics of my post? I go to great lengths not to mention politics here, I wish everyone would. Do you mean the dynamics of my relationship?

Mansplaining; The act of assuming that someone doesn't know anything about a subject-- because they are female-- and that, therefore, any bullshit you want to spew will be accepted as gospel by her. Although the most famous episode, the one that eventually engendered the term, was some guy who told a woman all bout this amazing book that she should read-- which, in fact she had written-- it has become generalised to refer to those times when someone in a socially dominant position "explains" life to someone in an inferior (often oppressed) position.

C.F. whitesplaining, straightsplaining, cissplaining.

Your guy is "explaining life" to you-- he's implying that the feminist discussion has no place for you, that your sexuality has rendered you unworthy of inclusion. For me-- that's the TMI element in your tale of hotness. Even if it's all in jest, EVEN when it's mutually consensual between the two of you-- it totally triggers my fury... even though I have nothing to do with your bedroom.

Isn't that funny? Tell me he makes you eat his shit, I'll cheer you on.

 

[Kim_Burly]

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not a very good communicator on this D/s and S&M stuff. I get a flood of thoughts and I type faster than I think and what comes out is D+ essay material, at best. I get what you mean by mansplaining, I get principalsplaining at work .

And this will surprise exactly no one here, I will rise to defend Sir. He is not explaining anything to me. To say we are playing roles or a game belittles what we have, I wish he were more brutal, rude, arrogant, and condescending at times. It's not that I don't enjoy when he picks me up and carries me to bed after a good session, it's just that I would rather he just throw me on the floor, piss on me while belittling me. How's that for TMI? But other times I would just like to use my lips mouth and tongue to bring him long drawn out pleasure, but he prefers to fuck my throat. I know I do stuff that drives him crazy, but we accept each other for the flawed people that we are. There, another confusing, meandering post to add to the collection. (No, I'm not drinking again)

 

[desertslave]

I grew up during the bra burning "I am Woman" era, which had its good points but also spawned a great deal of negatives. For a long time I didn't identify with feminism because my deepest urges were taking me in the opposite direction. I wanted to be slave to my Sir, to follow and obey, to be hurt and humiliated and all that delicious-sounding stuff. I also knew that, eventually, my greatest ambition was to be a "good" wife and mother to a bunch of kids. I had zero interest in a 'career' as it was understood. Honestly, I felt completely alienated by the feminist movement as it evolved in the early 80s: the hue and cry against pornography got me into several arguments; even my Wiccan leanings were thwarted by the Dianics.

Then came the 90s and the Mr. Mom period. I decided that what I really was, was a "humanist." I support anyone's efforts to simply be themselves. To hell with ALL of the stereotypes, or the role models or the people who see others simply as "you are X so you should do Y" without ever bothering to ask them if Y was what resonanted for them.

People, all genders/identities, should be encouraged to find what fulfills them. Lots of people are pushed down/held back for myriad reasons. It all needs to stop. We need to quit picking on each other, and we need to focus more on our commonalities, not our differences.

I AM submissive, I AM a masochist, (and a bunch of other things) and my way of life and expression is what fulfills me. The end.

 

[Stella_Omega]

yes, the anti-sex movement was pretty horrible and misguided, but-- there were, and are still, genuine reasons that so many women backlashed against pornography.

It took a while before women figured out that they should be making their own porn, and even now women's sexual and emotional interests are denigrated and minimized in the mainstream-- which is a counter-backlash of sorts, I would say.

And then we get into transphobic feminists, racist feminists, ablist feminists, and the constant discussion and controversy amongst all these different flavors of female-- there is no single overriding voice of feminism, despite the media's attempts to make it seem so.

meanwhile what I am craving is the chance to get banged-- in bondage so I don't have to do anything for anyone but just take it and get off on it, but I don't have to feel selfish about it.

 

[desertslave]

meanwhile what I am craving is the chance to get banged-- in bondage so I don't have to do anything for anyone but just take it and get off on it, but I don't have to feel selfish about it.

Yeah, that. <fanning myself>

 

[njlauren]

yes, the anti-sex movement was pretty horrible and misguided, but-- there were, and are still, genuine reasons that so many women backlashed against pornography.

It took a while before women figured out that they should be making their own porn, and even now women's sexual and emotional interests are denigrated and minimized in the mainstream-- which is a counter-backlash of sorts, I would say.

And then we get into transphobic feminists, racist feminists, ablist feminists, and the constant discussion and controversy amongst all these different flavors of female-- there is no single overriding voice of feminism, despite the media's attempts to make it seem so.

meanwhile what I am craving is the chance to get banged-- in bondage so I don't have to do anything for anyone but just take it and get off on it, but I don't have to feel selfish about it.

Feminists range the gamut of things, which wasn't always the case, I am old enough to remember 1970's and early 80s versions of feminism and while there were lone voices fighting the mainstream, the mainstream was pretty bad, it had strong anti sex overtones, there were a lot of anti gay types (anti gay male, as well as anti male), and their attitude about sex seemed to be that women if they had sex were being coerced into it. I ran into (literally) some of the Women against Porn group in the early 1980's, and they were a pretty pathetic bunch. Instead of expressing intelligently the issues with porn (and there were/are), they were basically a bunch of neurotic basket cases, you couldn't have a conversation with them even if you were sympathetic, they were that far gone.

I think the biggest irony had to be when the anti porn/anti sex feminists, led by Catherine MacKinnon (whose father, ironically, is a well known scholar of the constitution) joined forces with the evangelical Christians and tried to get these strict anti porn laws passed, arguing that all porn of any kind should be banned, because it hurt women. They did get those laws passed in Canada, and they found out the negative side of that kind of authoritarianism, the authorities in Canada used it to seize almost anything overtly sexual, including erotica aimed at dykes, it even ended up with things like sex toys being halted in the mails there......they forgot the old expression, that it is a poor sword that doesn't cut both ways, and that when you align yourself with anti gay haters like evangelical Christians, you are setting your own people up for problems *sigh*.

I think the biggest benefit is that the head up their ass theoreticians, who spoke in all kind of ism's, got replaced by people who were more pragmatic and level headed, and realized that the ultimate in feminism shouldn't be telling women (of any kind) how to live, rather it was in encouraging them to live, as they wished. The old time feminists often were replacing patriarchy, that told them how they could/should live, with a kind of perverted matriarchy that told them how they should/could live, it was just as oppressive in some ways as the male dominated crap they were trying to fight.

 

[nh23]

Isn't that funny? Tell me he makes you eat his shit, I'll cheer you on.

HAHAHA!

 

[Netzach]

While the anti-porn sex-negative strains of feminism are isolating and are cruel to some of us, the difference between it and the shit vortex of sexist patriarchal nonsense is that you can choose to more or less avoid that scene.

EG: While the policy at the Michigan music festival is transphobic and non inclusive, the outrage is misplaced. Seriously, I think it's more important to worry about inclusivity for my T sisters in job interview situations rather than making sure some privately run chance to hear Holly Near caterwaul in the woods is on limit to ALL. If this is your main worry in life, you must have a pretty good job and insurance.

So I really give the point to Feminism, old school, no makeup, penis is the devil Feminism, on this one. I think it takes the punches that we'd like to direct elsewhere but can't.

Yeah, it kind of hurts that the women you want to hug you to their bosom think you're a nasty tramp and part of the man's agenda. I asked myself why their approval is so important to me, and I came up pretty blank. If my grandma can be so full of fail and still my grandma, so can they.

 

[eastern sun]

I wore a sari for the first time a few weeks ago, and had no idea that it has been designed to keep your legs closed. The women remarked that I moved very easily in it, more comfortable than "modern" women who wear saris regularly for special occasions.

I loved the way it restricted my movement, forcing me to make mincing steps. And I also received more compliments on that one night than I have received in the past two years. Which made me want to look, walk and behave that way more often.

With my love of traditional customs and social patterns, I have a complicated relationship with feminism as a political and social movement. I benefit directly from the actions and courage of women fighting economic, political and social oppression in this Western culture.

But in the world I live in, in the community in which I work and the domestic life I live, often I don't see much change at all. The older I get, the more I feel like - in the midst of all these technological, social and political "advances" - human nature has not changed fundamentally at all. That the same forces that have driven us for millennia are just housed in new styles to distract us - and that what appears to be change is just the inevitable safety valves offered by the ruling classes to vent conflict and ultimately maintain the status quo.

 

[Netzach]

That the same forces that have driven us for millennia are just housed in new styles to distract us - and that what appears to be change is just the inevitable safety valves offered by the ruling classes to vent conflict and ultimately maintain the status quo.

What exactly does this imply? That if feminism hadn't happened there'd be more material equality for everyone or something? That material advancements for some of the population are distracting us from some BIGGER thing? Tell that to women who have had fistula repair or shelter from NGO's that only exist because feminism does, on some level. Fortunately, we're moving slowly beyond a colonial "we'll save you" mentality into a more empowering one that supports local initiative.

I basically think that we're at a point where we need to get back to basics and off of distracting questions of images and media - I honestly think that it's sick to be worried about how the latest Merida cartoon looks and whether bad feewings ensue than it is to concern ourselves with REAL Merida-aged girls being gang raped right here in the west as well as everywhere else. Feminism is as important as ever, it just lost its way badly.

You know, the way I see it, my sexuality is something I CAN actually sideline for five seconds to ask whether I'm being screwed culturally or not, and work with people I'm not terribly fond of in defiance of people who are definitely definitely not fond of me.

To me there's something really privileged about being butthurt over less than 100 percent sexual acceptance all the time. If I like men, I can shut up about it for an hour while people who don't get some air time. I can tune out something about how penetration hurts all of us as easily as I can tune out my mother talking about how much public cellphone use pisses her off or how stupid the kids are dressing today.

My bigger issue with Feminism is that, like gramma, it's woefully blitheringly racist at its worst, or completely un-clued about other kinds of identity and oppression.

I don't need my fuck style validated in front of that issue. And yes, SM is my fuck style. It is an important part of my identity, but it is not something I must deal with at a job interview, when choosing a toilet, or when walking down a street.

I dunno, I'm just always amazed at these "Feminism sucks" fests when none of us would even be having a conversation about any of this without it.

 

[eastern sun]

I basically think that we're at a point where we need to get back to basics and off of distracting questions of images and media - I honestly think that it's sick to be worried about how the latest Merida cartoon looks and whether bad feewings ensue than it is to concern ourselves with REAL Merida-aged girls being gang raped right here in the west as well as everywhere else. Feminism is as important as ever, it just lost its way badly.

. . . .

My bigger issue with Feminism is that, like gramma, it's woefully blitheringly racist at its worst, or completely un-clued about other kinds of identity and oppression.

I totally agree with the above statements. In my humble, and privileged opinion, I think most issues boil down to class and economics. And looking at it from racial, gender or religious lenses draws lines in the sand that are distracting.

edited to add - Though I will also concede the role of cultural mysogyny in the oppression of women. It's just that I don't see Western feminism as having done much to alleviate that. I am willing to listen.

 

[eastern sun]

I don't see human civilization walking a linear path from less violent to more violent - from more oppressed to less oppressed. Do you?

 

[Stella_Omega]

I totally agree with the above statements. In my humble, and privileged opinion, I think most issues boil down to class and socioeconomics. And looking at it from racial, gender or religious lenses draws lines in the sand that are distracting.

Race, gender and religion are completely entwined into our perceptions of class and they absolutely affect our socioeconomic standing.


I disagree, Netz, that the outrage over Michigan is misplaced. You're making the mistake so many people make-- that anyone talking about one thing must be ignoring every other thing. The same people who are talking about Michigan are also talking about politics, jobs, etc in other venues.

And you keep forgetting this too; humans are tribal animals We need to belong to our tribe. When we are excluded from the commons, that exclusion is harmful to our sense of self. Telling trans women they cannot attend Michigan is exactly, and absolutely, telling them that they are not women.

I fight a lot of battles attempting to get more portrayals of women into mainstream entertainment, and I get plenty of backlash (from men, of course) telling me that I should be worried about something more important than Spiderman's girlfriend getting fridged, or the She Hulk wearing a bikini and high heels. But it's part of the same important thing.

edited to add - Though I will also concede the role of cultural mysogyny in the oppression of women. It's just that I don't see Western feminism as having done much to alleviate that. I am willing to listen.

Is there an Eastern Feminism?

Should we all just give up no feminism because the backlash has been so vicious and violent?

 

[Netzach]

Race, gender and religion are completely entwined into our perceptions of class and they absolutely affect our socioeconomic standing.


I disagree, Netz, that the outrage over Michigan is misplaced. You're making the mistake so many people make-- that anyone talking about one thing must be ignoring every other thing. The same people who are talking about Michigan are also talking about politics, jobs, etc in other venues.

And you keep forgetting this too; humans are tribal animals We need to belong to our tribe. When we are excluded from the commons, that exclusion is harmful to our sense of self. Telling trans women they cannot attend Michigan is exactly, and absolutely, telling them that they are not women.

I fight a lot of battles attempting to get more portrayals of women into mainstream entertainment, and I get plenty of backlash (from men, of course) telling me that I should be worried about something more important than Spiderman's girlfriend getting fridged, or the She Hulk wearing a bikini and high heels. But it's part of the same important thing.

I just don't think that they're equal or more important parts of the same thing, I guess. I have issues with the unwillingness to prioritize that happens with these things. The sixties consciousness-raising marxist strategies have not really worked well IMO - in the willingness to consider every single individual experience and weight them equally, we're not helping the most marginalized at all.

And Michigan is horse shit, don't get me wrong, but it's much more important to me that M have a safe place to live and a fair shot at a job than what some radical lesbians think - it's more important that the people issuing passports can go "oh, Woman." And I know for a fact that a lot of the people protesting loudest when it comes to the 'fest are really not sitting down to have kitchen table talks about things like "how can we create better economic opportunities for people who are not gender normative." In fact it almost seems like nobody is having that discussion anywhere at times!

 

[Netzach]

I totally agree with the above statements. In my humble, and privileged opinion, I think most issues boil down to class and economics. And looking at it from racial, gender or religious lenses draws lines in the sand that are distracting.

edited to add - Though I will also concede the role of cultural mysogyny in the oppression of women. It's just that I don't see Western feminism as having done much to alleviate that. I am willing to listen.

You can't un-gender economic equality. Women and children are an index. How they're doing isn't a side issue, it IS the marker of how we're all doing.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I just don't think that they're equal or more important parts of the same thing, I guess. I have issues with the unwillingness to prioritize that happens with these things.
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so people should eschew social justice until you deem that government-type justice has been achieved? How will you achive judicial equality if young people continue to grow up in a society where minorities are so violently marginalised-- since they grow up to be the next policy makers?

Michigan is mainstream. It's not radical. Radical is the idea that trans women are entitled to womanhood.

 

[wicked woman]

I'm old enough to have seen the difference the feminists of my era have made and know that my life is changed because of them and their processors.

My parents were ahead of their time and expected me to go to university. I don't recall the same expectation that I marry and have children.


At university, my classes had their share of women, because I took liberal arts.. The same wasn't true of the commerce classes. Now those classes are more than 50% women.

I remember being part of the sexual revolution. Love the one you're with.

Birth control pills, the morning after pill and abortion were all choices at my disposal. They facilitated the sexual revolution and my ability to have sex with little concern for pregnancy.

When I started working full-time in my field of business, I was an exception. I remember clients that were surprised to see a woman...clients that wouldn't let me tour the plant (because you know there were men back there)...clients that tried to make me look like I was incompetent, all because I was a woman. Now at least 50% of my profession is women. More than that with those newer to the profession.

When I did choose to marry, I had the choice of keeping me surname or taking his. I wasn't his property. For the most part our relationship was one of equals.

With my husband, we could decide when to have children or whether we would have any at all. When we did, it was our choice that I stay at home with the children.

And when we eventually divorced, our property was divided equally and I had physical custody of the children, although we had agreed that we would both have joint custody.

As a single mother, I didn't feel like the scarlet woman. Nor did I feel pressured to find a man to protect me and care for us. I've been able to work and support myself and my family.

I've seen the glass ceiling have holes poked through it. No it's not gone completely, but women partners are much more common now than when I first started working.

I own property. I am able to vote. I'm able to travel unescorted and feel and be safe.

I could go on but this post is long enough.

To me feminism has always been about equality and choice.

I remember those man hating days. Sometimes they weren't very comfortable as a man loving mother of boys. To me the freedom was in choice. Sometimes I thought the feminist movement took one set of expectations (e.g. being a stay at home Mom) and wanted to replace it with another set of rules (e.g. all women should work outside the home). But the battle was necessary to give us the choice that we have now.

Partaking of my BDSM desires is just another choice for me. I don't see that it conflicts with feminism...as I interpret it.

I can't imagine my life without feminism. I know it certainly wouldn't look anything like what I've experienced.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You can't un-gender economic equality. Women and children are an index. How they're doing isn't a side issue, it IS the marker of how we're all doing.

Yes.

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[Que]

feminism won..it's over.

I have NEVER worked anywhere that women with same time in the job (or often less time) were not given either equal (or often preferential) consideration with regard to wages, promotion, overtime allotment and all of that.

72 cents an hour is a myth...it assumes that all persons work the same number of hours with the same skill sets for the same number of years without taking any time off for maternity leave or other life choices that anyone regardless of gender can choose.

Women are not inherently smarter or more qualified for admission to college and graduate degree programs yet female led admissions departments are making sure to give the majority gender preferential treatment in admission so the result is more females in college more with degrees...are they primarily in the mathematics and sciences, no, we now import those because we keep our males down to INSURE females get "ahead" because of course that is "fair" outcome not opportunity is the goal.

and if it isn't equality of OPPORTUNITY in the workplace, what else was feminism ever about?

Yeah I am going to get flamed with anecdotes...not interested I am a walking living breathing life experience anecdote..I move on and succeed despite nearly universal discrimination...(btw.... no such thing as reverse discrimination.... be it by race creed or gender it is ALL wrong even if you think you are doing god's work)

that said...

sexuality and urges/fetishes and the like can be influenced by society and formative year experiences, however there is an undeniable (by rational beings) primal drive there. It is what is and pretending you are going to intellectualize your way into wanting something different than what your body craves is futile, stupid and fulfilling.

I once abruptly ceased all contact with a good little feminist in training....

she was a self identified submissive sexually..otherwise interesting sexually.

This girl was in college, living at home with mommy, who divorced daddy because daddy didn't "let her grow" daddy helped mommy support herself through child support as did paternalistic society through an infinitude of "benefits" that mommy "qualified" for.

given that sub is from a "broken home" and on federal "assistance" read 100% supported...she qualified for and gained admission to college, got full ride grants...

has NEVER held a job of any sort in any workplace....

she went off on a rant one day about how much drivel she was learning in women's studies class about how to "not let 'the man' keep you down...to fight for yourself and your rights in the workplace..bla bla fuckety blah."

I told her more or less the opening to this post, that ANY perceived slight in the workplace is slapped with a lawsuit and human resources departments exist for little other purpose than anti gender and race bias defense....

she is loaded for bear though if she ever gets a job....god help her co-workers and future partners...

Can't we all just fucking get along!!????

 

[Stella_Omega]

and if it isn't equality of OPPORTUNITY in the workplace, what else was feminism ever about?

Google is your friend

 

[visviva2]

Hi Stella,

Thanks for creating this thread!

My own involvement with feminism goes back to the emergence of Second Wave Feminism in the late 1960s. First Wave Feminism (if you're wondering) goes back to the suffragettes and anarchist women like Emma Goldman. Read Emma Goldman's "Living My Life"!

My first wife and I were both at university in those days and she was a very active feminist (as well as a submissive). I remember the consciousness raising sessions she used to organise with everyone sitting in a circle on the floor in our lounge.

Everyone didn't include me.

As a man I was excluded, and I remember feeling disappointed because I would have liked to take part in some of the interesting discussions I could overhear from the next room.

But anyway, regarding the feminism thing... back in the day there were all kinds of splinter groups such as the radical lesbians.

I later had a sub who'd spent several years with radical lesbian groups and from what she told me these rad lesbians treated their submissive women really badly.

I was quite surprised to learn this... it was a real eye opener to find that radical lesbians would not just be dominating (as expected) but actually quite nasty and brutal...

Worse than most men!

 

[eastern sun]

Race, gender and religion are completely entwined into our perceptions of class and they absolutely affect our socioeconomic standing.

But it is undeniably true that there are class differences within any one race, gender and religion. And those dynamics do more to hold the status quo in place more than any other factor.

People with power want to keep it.

Is there an Eastern Feminism?

Of course there is. Google is my friend.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=feminism+in+eastern+culture&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Should we all just give up no feminism because the backlash has been so vicious and violent?

Of course not. No one should ever give up working towards better treatment of other human beings, compassionate action, kindness, love.

Perhaps it is important to wage war against those who oppress others. If so, that war must be waged skillfully to keep the force unified in the face of inevitable violent and vicious backlash.

 

[eastern sun]

You can't un-gender economic equality. Women and children are an index. How they're doing isn't a side issue, it IS the marker of how we're all doing.

I think this is a valid statement.

But the addition of those children to the statistics is extremely important. They are not exclusively female.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Hi Stella,

Thanks for creating this thread!

My own involvement with feminism goes back to the emergence of Second Wave Feminism in the late 1960s. First Wave Feminism (if you're wondering) goes back to the suffragettes and anarchist women like Emma Goldman. Read Emma Goldman's "Living My Life"!

My first wife and I were both at university in those days and she was a very active feminist (as well as a submissive). I remember the consciousness raising sessions she used to organise with everyone sitting in a circle on the floor in our lounge.

Everyone didn't include me.

As a man I was excluded, and I remember feeling disappointed because I would have liked to take part in some of the interesting discussions I could overhear from the next room.

It's incredibly frustrating to be told "Not your discussion" isn't it?

We have SO MUCH to contribute! And we want to prove to that little group of people, who are such outsiders to society but-- because they happen to be here in this group-- look like insiders to us-- that we, too, can be an insider with them.

I've made this same mistake amongst many groups, myself. It took some serious education to understand that if I am NOT part of that particular minority, I can best help by keeping my mouth shut and listening instead. It's hard not to be resentful. But we can learn and grow.

But anyway, regarding the feminism thing... back in the day there were all kinds of splinter groups such as the radical lesbians.

There was no "The" Radical Lesbians, yanno. There were, and are, many Radical Lesbians out there, but none of them were "the".[/QUOTE]
I later had a sub who'd spent several years with radical lesbian groups and from what she told me these rad lesbians treated their submissive women really badly.

I was quite surprised to learn this... it was a real eye opener to find that radical lesbians would not just be dominating (as expected) but actually quite nasty and brutal...

Worse than most men![/QUOTE]Wow that's funny because I played with radical lesbians back in the nineties, and none of them treated their subs badly at all. A dyke gangbang is a gentle joyous thing, in fact. Everyone says "Is this okay?" before they plug the center. And they all kiss her and whisper thank you" when they are done, while the curtains float in the gentle summer breeze...

hehe. Sorry, I haven't been getting laid steadily lately

Anyway, "worse than men do" is a very subjective statement. And we've all known of men being exceedingly brutish and nasty.

But it is undeniably true that there are class differences within any one race, gender and religion. And those dynamics do more to hold the status quo in place more than any other factor.

I think it's a chicken and egg thing. Race plus money, money plus gender, religion, ghawd helpus, and money.
But when police raid a wealthy and influential black professor's home because they saw him opining his own door with melanin? i think we can tell what really trumps. (dammit, can't google fu)

People with power want to keep it.




Of course there is. Google is my friend.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=feminism+in+eastern+culture&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

And how much do you know about it-- yourself, I mean. I freely admit I know very little, because it really isn't the world I live in. But you were the one who specified Western Feminism as being ineffective.

Of course not. No one should ever give up working towards better treatment of other human beings, compassionate action, kindness, love.

Perhaps it is important to wage war against those who oppress others. If so, that war must be waged skillfully to keep the force unified in the face of inevitable violent and vicious backlash.

Actually... we had no idea the backlash would be this violent. yeah, we were pretty damn naive. But who ever predicted the rise of Hannity, Limbaugh, et al?

Never in my life did I ever expect that Americans would be proud of their hatreds, and make a virtue out of ignorance. I never did.

 

[KoPilot]

I can vouch for how incredibly important media representation is. Not setting up children to grow up hating themselves is a pretty enormous step involved in curtailing violence against others and the self when they're teenagers and adults and realize they're capable of acting on that hate.

So... yes. I will absolutely get mad about children's media that continue to fail in the gender department.