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CelticFrog
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Suggestion:
Don't do it.
Second Suggestion:
Don't ask on Lit about it, 'specially not here. Us music professionals don't much appreciate people soliciting for free shit right in our faces.
Ang
Don't do it.
Second Suggestion:
Don't ask on Lit about it, 'specially not here. Us music professionals don't much appreciate people soliciting for free shit right in our faces.
Ang
alricflaim
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Well
I use Kazaa Lite. It's hard to find, but it's a version of Kazaa without the spyware included. There's tons of good stuff out there I can't find anywhere else still.
The website www.suprnova.org has full albums for download, but mostly that crap that they try and pass off as music now adays. ANd you'd need to get bit torrent for it to work. Not hard, but it does confuse some people.
I hope this helps you find what you're looking for.
I'm sure to draw some flak for my response, so I'm going to tack on my pre-built flame response, and just ignore any comments about my being a thief.
First off, I'm Canadian. And in Canada, we have to pay a levy on Blank CDs that goes straight to the recording industry. We're assumed to be copying music when we buy blank CDs for ANY reason. I pay the extra XX cents per blank CD, so it's not like I'm downloading for free.
Secondly, If you can find me a record store where the CDs don't cost 20 bucks, and actually has something I'm interested in listening to, instead of the crap they pass off as music today, then I might consider buying some. Inflated prices on CDs? Not getting my money.
And besides. Who says I can even buy the vast majority of what I download in stores? Find me a record store in my area where I can get Filks, Irish drinking songs, Sea Shanties, or Gilbert and Sullivan and I might be interested. Oh wait, that's right, even though I live in Winnipeg, the geographical center of Canada, and a fair sized shipping hub, I still can't get these things here. Why? Because they're not the flavour of the month boy band, or slutty teen chick singer.
THank you for taking the bit of time to read my comments (you can read that as rant if it makes you feel better) before you tell me what a horrible person I am for downloading music.
I use Kazaa Lite. It's hard to find, but it's a version of Kazaa without the spyware included. There's tons of good stuff out there I can't find anywhere else still.
The website www.suprnova.org has full albums for download, but mostly that crap that they try and pass off as music now adays. ANd you'd need to get bit torrent for it to work. Not hard, but it does confuse some people.
I hope this helps you find what you're looking for.
I'm sure to draw some flak for my response, so I'm going to tack on my pre-built flame response, and just ignore any comments about my being a thief.
First off, I'm Canadian. And in Canada, we have to pay a levy on Blank CDs that goes straight to the recording industry. We're assumed to be copying music when we buy blank CDs for ANY reason. I pay the extra XX cents per blank CD, so it's not like I'm downloading for free.
Secondly, If you can find me a record store where the CDs don't cost 20 bucks, and actually has something I'm interested in listening to, instead of the crap they pass off as music today, then I might consider buying some. Inflated prices on CDs? Not getting my money.
And besides. Who says I can even buy the vast majority of what I download in stores? Find me a record store in my area where I can get Filks, Irish drinking songs, Sea Shanties, or Gilbert and Sullivan and I might be interested. Oh wait, that's right, even though I live in Winnipeg, the geographical center of Canada, and a fair sized shipping hub, I still can't get these things here. Why? Because they're not the flavour of the month boy band, or slutty teen chick singer.
THank you for taking the bit of time to read my comments (you can read that as rant if it makes you feel better) before you tell me what a horrible person I am for downloading music.
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I just love how people try to justify thier dishonesty. I just love it, people bitch about the record industry making billions and how expensive a CD is. Gee, I'm sorry for you, I mean, shame on them for wanting to make money on their efforts. How dare they?!?!
I am not in the music fields. I am a software engineer and a small business owner. So needless to say when I see people talking about copying music, I can fully support RIAA's position.
You haven't seen 6 months of blood sweat and brain power flushed down the toilet, when someone posted one of the programs you wrote and had for sale online, placed on a pirate ftp site. You haven't seen that by the time you find your program on that ftp site, its already on 100s of others. You haven't dealt with the morons trying to pretend to be registered owners and emailing you for assistance because they have a problem with the program they stole. You haven't had to remove all mention of the program from your website and cancel any planned support or update efforts because there were too many unauthorized users.
You don't like being called a thief? Fine, stop stealing someone else's work. Its idiots that steal work that forces the price increases. When I started offering software online, it was a paltry $19.95 per program, now its $49.95 per program because I've had to hire lawyers.
So forget all that shit about Mega Corporations trying to rip you off. I'm not a mega corporation, I'm just one guy trying to keep the roof over my family's head and my work out of your thieving hands.
So there you have it. People who copy music, or software, or images/video are thieves. If you don't like being considered a thief, then don't do it. Otherwise, eventually people like RIAA will track you down, or they will come up with a format you can't break, then double the price of the CD's because you forced them to do all that expensive R&D effort.
I am not in the music fields. I am a software engineer and a small business owner. So needless to say when I see people talking about copying music, I can fully support RIAA's position.
You haven't seen 6 months of blood sweat and brain power flushed down the toilet, when someone posted one of the programs you wrote and had for sale online, placed on a pirate ftp site. You haven't seen that by the time you find your program on that ftp site, its already on 100s of others. You haven't dealt with the morons trying to pretend to be registered owners and emailing you for assistance because they have a problem with the program they stole. You haven't had to remove all mention of the program from your website and cancel any planned support or update efforts because there were too many unauthorized users.
You don't like being called a thief? Fine, stop stealing someone else's work. Its idiots that steal work that forces the price increases. When I started offering software online, it was a paltry $19.95 per program, now its $49.95 per program because I've had to hire lawyers.
So forget all that shit about Mega Corporations trying to rip you off. I'm not a mega corporation, I'm just one guy trying to keep the roof over my family's head and my work out of your thieving hands.
So there you have it. People who copy music, or software, or images/video are thieves. If you don't like being considered a thief, then don't do it. Otherwise, eventually people like RIAA will track you down, or they will come up with a format you can't break, then double the price of the CD's because you forced them to do all that expensive R&D effort.
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Bobmi357 said:
How would you know I haven't seen something that I spent time and effort put up on the web for free? Remember, when you assume something you make an ass out of you, and me. I have seen things I spent time and effort on put up on the web, and wait, the people who posted it, were trying to make money off it! WOW! I aksed them to take it down because they were trying to profit off me without my permission. Otherwise, what difference does it make?
As to music, I used to listen to the radio, and still listen to the internet radio stations. Does that make me a thief? After all, I'm getting that music for free aren't I? And Like I pointed out, the music I like to listen to, you can't buy around here. Where else am I supposed to go for music if I don't like the selection offered to me in my area? Not only that, but I do it in protest to the strong arm tactics the RIAA uses. While I agree the artists have a right to protect their income off of their hard work, I don't agree with the RIAA doing it in the way they do. Especially when I read so many stories about how badly they pay the musicians that work for them.
Movies? yeah I download them too. And guess what, I go see a great deal of them in the theatre too. I screen them at home to wade through the masses of shit that's put out, trying to find the odd movie with the 12 bucks it costs to go see one.
Software? that depends. I'm a network administrator in training. I legally purchase most software, again, downloading for my own home use to wade through all the crap, buying the stuff I see as being worth the money I have to pay for it.
So yeah, I'm a thief in your eyes. I'm a fucking asshole. That's fine. I don't care. I don't consider what I'm doing stealing. I still buy movies and software, and maybe even the odd used or indie CD when I actually find one that I'm interested in. I simply don't want to waste my money on all the shit that's out there when I can sample it for free.
Re: Well
Jesus fucking Christ, here we go. Please educate yourself on the workings of the music industry before you go off spouting this shit. The price of CDs goes up because of downloads, my friend. Us songwriters and artists have to recoup our losses somewhere.
And before you go off on another little rant, take the time to ask yourself how you would feel if I stole YOUR hard work right out from under your nose and still had the audacity to bitch about the quality I was getting.
God, I don't need to get started on this thread...
S.
alricflaim said:
Jesus fucking Christ, here we go. Please educate yourself on the workings of the music industry before you go off spouting this shit. The price of CDs goes up because of downloads, my friend. Us songwriters and artists have to recoup our losses somewhere.
And before you go off on another little rant, take the time to ask yourself how you would feel if I stole YOUR hard work right out from under your nose and still had the audacity to bitch about the quality I was getting.
God, I don't need to get started on this thread...
S.
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alricflaim said:
Not in the slightest. Every product you hear advertised during those radio programs is priced to support the advertising and marketing thought necessary to entice you to buy.
Furthermore, the radio stations pay regularly for the use of the music they play, which they must document and report in minute detail.
There is no such thing as a free lunch, friend. Especially when someone sneaks in under the buffet table and snitches hot rolls without paying at the door.
BTW, what happend to my moron filter, Bobmi? I swear I bought one of those from you a few weeks ago!
And if it was something else (like another firewall, maybe) perhaps you could get to work on coding one. Just an idea, friend. And it's yours royalty free.
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Sadly those - and I am no angel - who download are gambling - you sometimes get better quality and sometimes you get shit - as for spyware - if you download a program - uninstall it after u are finished with it and reinstall it when u need it.
Hell, when we were kids I don't know anyone who didn't record a tape from the radio - by burning cd's its the same - only dift. is more resources are available now.
I Blame the makers of the technology more than the people who use it.
Hell, when we were kids I don't know anyone who didn't record a tape from the radio - by burning cd's its the same - only dift. is more resources are available now.
I Blame the makers of the technology more than the people who use it.
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midwestyankee said:BTW, what happend to my moron filter, Bobmi? I swear I bought one of those from you a few weeks ago!
The moron filter? Dang, I sent you the wrong software then. I sent you the online sobriety tester, you know, the one where you pee into the hole for the mouseball?
But seriously, most of the software we offer is server based stuff, written in perl, which means any options for copy prevention are extremely limited.
Been there, done that, and still we give away stuff for free, although we do threaten to sue anyone copying our stuff. We've had over 60 incidents of people copying our material since 1994. 60 of them. And despite that we still offer stuff online at no cost to the user.
Music on the radio, or even via internet radio is paid for by advertising. Hell, you can copy stuff off the air in this country and as long as you don't try to resell it, no one will complain.
I don't like what RIAA is doing either, but people like yourself forced them to use strong arm tactics. Hell, I've used strong arm tactics myself in defense of my intellectual property. I've sent lawyers after people, and even in one case, I've caused people to fail their college class and possibly get kicked out of school. Frankly I don't feel sorry for them either. If you're caught stealing you pay the price of your crimes. In the case of the college, they were most unhappy to learn that a group of 15 students had opted to copy in its entirety one of our tutorials.
RIAA has no choice but to defend the copyrights. The way the law is structured here in the US, you either defend your copyrights, or you lose the right to defend them forever. You may disagree, but copying a program, cd, or a movie is the same thing as stealing that movie from your local store.
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See this I don't understand
"You may disagree, but copying a program, cd, or a movie is the same thing as stealing that movie from your local store."
How is it the same as stealing from my local store? Aside from the fact that the stores in my area don't carry the stuff I want to listen to (no much market for it, even when there are CDs), I don't get the link between taking something off the shelf at a store, sticking it under my coat or what have you and walking off with it, and going out and downloading something. If I steal something from a store, I am preventing that store from selling said object. It's no longer there, It's no longer available. Yet when I download something, did I lower the supply that's available? Yeah I know, I downloaded it and now I won't buy it, but the truth is, if I'm not going to buy the whole CD, or the game, or the movie without knowing if it's worth my money or not, how is my downloading it, trying it out, and then making my decision to purchase it or not stealing?
Interesting note by the way, here in Canada, I can borrow music, games, movies what have you, and make a copy for my own use. Legally, that is. I can loan you my CDs and you can make legal copies, or you can even do it using my computer. I just can't make copies for you.
I also keep saying, but it seems to be overlooked, the bulk of what I listen to is no where to be found in my area. Explain to me how to purchase CDs that I cannot seem to find in stores, or in some cases online. For example, my current play list has, and mind you, this is just a sampling, not the whole list:
Donald, where's your trousers (I dunno the artist. It's listed as Irish drinking songs), Lady is a tramp (Sinatra, okay, true I can find this), Haul away Joe (sea shanties it's listed as for artist), Do you hear the pipes, Cthulu (artist is chaos), The muppet show theme, Spanish Ladies (another sea shanty), Sing Sing Sing, Finnigan's wake, Modern Major General (Gilbert and Sullivan), John Wellington Wells (again, G&S), 1000 words (Kodi Kaumi from FFx2).
Where am I going to find most of those in Winnipeg? I admit, scrolling down the list I find a few more I could likely buy, mostly Sinatra, George Clinton, and Reel Big fish, but I've never seen most of them outside of the net. Hell I'd never have even heard of a good deal of the music I have on my hard drive or my mp3 disks if it hadn't been for the net, and downloading things at random.
**Edited for missed typos**
"You may disagree, but copying a program, cd, or a movie is the same thing as stealing that movie from your local store."
How is it the same as stealing from my local store? Aside from the fact that the stores in my area don't carry the stuff I want to listen to (no much market for it, even when there are CDs), I don't get the link between taking something off the shelf at a store, sticking it under my coat or what have you and walking off with it, and going out and downloading something. If I steal something from a store, I am preventing that store from selling said object. It's no longer there, It's no longer available. Yet when I download something, did I lower the supply that's available? Yeah I know, I downloaded it and now I won't buy it, but the truth is, if I'm not going to buy the whole CD, or the game, or the movie without knowing if it's worth my money or not, how is my downloading it, trying it out, and then making my decision to purchase it or not stealing?
Interesting note by the way, here in Canada, I can borrow music, games, movies what have you, and make a copy for my own use. Legally, that is. I can loan you my CDs and you can make legal copies, or you can even do it using my computer. I just can't make copies for you.
I also keep saying, but it seems to be overlooked, the bulk of what I listen to is no where to be found in my area. Explain to me how to purchase CDs that I cannot seem to find in stores, or in some cases online. For example, my current play list has, and mind you, this is just a sampling, not the whole list:
Donald, where's your trousers (I dunno the artist. It's listed as Irish drinking songs), Lady is a tramp (Sinatra, okay, true I can find this), Haul away Joe (sea shanties it's listed as for artist), Do you hear the pipes, Cthulu (artist is chaos), The muppet show theme, Spanish Ladies (another sea shanty), Sing Sing Sing, Finnigan's wake, Modern Major General (Gilbert and Sullivan), John Wellington Wells (again, G&S), 1000 words (Kodi Kaumi from FFx2).
Where am I going to find most of those in Winnipeg? I admit, scrolling down the list I find a few more I could likely buy, mostly Sinatra, George Clinton, and Reel Big fish, but I've never seen most of them outside of the net. Hell I'd never have even heard of a good deal of the music I have on my hard drive or my mp3 disks if it hadn't been for the net, and downloading things at random.
**Edited for missed typos**
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Almost forgot
You say I can copy stuff off the air and not worry about it as long as I'm not reselling it. How is that any different from downloading it off the net for my own use? I mean aside from the fact that radio stations play that garbage boy band, flavour of the month stuff, or hip hop, or techno, or whatever else is trying to be passed off as music these days.
You say I can copy stuff off the air and not worry about it as long as I'm not reselling it. How is that any different from downloading it off the net for my own use? I mean aside from the fact that radio stations play that garbage boy band, flavour of the month stuff, or hip hop, or techno, or whatever else is trying to be passed off as music these days.
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You know, it seems to me like you wouldn't even bother trying to find CDs to buy online or in stores. You're too lazy and happy with thieving MP3's online.
You whine about what's being passed off as music nowadays. Cry me a damn river. I don't like that much of it either but I change the channel and find something I do like. Even if it's NPR and classical.
You whine and whine about not being able to find the stuff you like in your area. So fucking what? You can special order. Even in Canada.
Hell, I could give you a link to a great CD that has Finnegan's Wake among other drinking songs, but why bother if you're just going to go out and steal every song from that CD if you have the chance?
It's not our fault that you never would have heard some of the things you thieved. It's not our fault that you try to excuse your stealing based on your location.
But there are enough music professionals (and other career fields that are similarly screwed by behavior like yours) here that trying to justify your obviously bullshit opinion isn't going to work on this turf. See, you are directly affecting some of our incomes.
My three.
Ang
You whine about what's being passed off as music nowadays. Cry me a damn river. I don't like that much of it either but I change the channel and find something I do like. Even if it's NPR and classical.
You whine and whine about not being able to find the stuff you like in your area. So fucking what? You can special order. Even in Canada.
Hell, I could give you a link to a great CD that has Finnegan's Wake among other drinking songs, but why bother if you're just going to go out and steal every song from that CD if you have the chance?
It's not our fault that you never would have heard some of the things you thieved. It's not our fault that you try to excuse your stealing based on your location.
But there are enough music professionals (and other career fields that are similarly screwed by behavior like yours) here that trying to justify your obviously bullshit opinion isn't going to work on this turf. See, you are directly affecting some of our incomes.
My three.
Ang
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I dunno..
It sounds to me like you're just as big of a whiner as you'd like to call me. I consider myself a fairly intelligent guy, even this late at night. You've got me on the happy and lazy part, but hey, I'm not perfect. I've done some research on this subject however, it being near and dear to my heart, what with being a computer networking student who's graduating in a few months and all.
So rather then drop to the name calling, and bitching, I'd like to offer a few things to read. I'll admit it's a little out of date most of it (year or twoish) but I used to for a presentation a couple of semesters back, and it was valid then. So lets try doing some reading and thinking shall we?
http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
http://www.p2pnet.net/may03/riaaecon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/t...200&partner=TECHDIRT&pagewanted=all&position=
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-sullivan.php
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32524.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3341465/
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/fileshare.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/03/BU249534.DTL&type=tech
It sounds to me like you're just as big of a whiner as you'd like to call me. I consider myself a fairly intelligent guy, even this late at night. You've got me on the happy and lazy part, but hey, I'm not perfect. I've done some research on this subject however, it being near and dear to my heart, what with being a computer networking student who's graduating in a few months and all.
So rather then drop to the name calling, and bitching, I'd like to offer a few things to read. I'll admit it's a little out of date most of it (year or twoish) but I used to for a presentation a couple of semesters back, and it was valid then. So lets try doing some reading and thinking shall we?
http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
http://www.p2pnet.net/may03/riaaecon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30-cd-settlement_x.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/t...200&partner=TECHDIRT&pagewanted=all&position=
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/04/07/news-sullivan.php
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/32524.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34191.html
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3341465/
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.10/fileshare.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/09/03/BU249534.DTL&type=tech
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I, personally, have no problems DLing shareware music. You can call me all the nasty names you want. The RIAA is not looking at the art of making music, it's solely into capitalizing off of it.
I'm sorry that people who are struggling musicians really believe that my DLing affects them. When our CEO talks about budget crisis and the bad economy making it impossible to compensate me for my work, I almost buy it-except that I know they are continuing to bank millions of dollars and couldn't care less that I'm short on rent.
I refuse to pay a dime to DL Taco...I don't think he minds.
Most of the music I DL I have all ready owned on tape or CD and it has been broken, stolen, or just disappeared over the years.
If I buy a CD it's mine. If I feel like sharing it with others for free, that's my right.
If you wanna make money-tour.
Many Shareware programs like limewire charge folks for the program. The RIAA should be looking at ways to be compensated from these programs, thru ads, kickbacks, whatever.
I doubt that any of you spitting venom about this, would have any problems recording a program or movie from your cable TV, and probably have recorded VCR tapes in your collection that have been passed around to your family or friends.
The RIAA needs to spend it's time and energy catching up with technology instead of prosecuting artists' fans.
These "entertainers" like Britney Spears and the like, that are getting DLed for free spend their life getting shit for free.
I doubt Britney spends a dime for her entertainment or the designer shit she whores.
There has been quite a few artists that I have discovered from DLs. I have no problem going to their concerts and spending $80 to hear them perform, or sporting some of the fashion they are hocking.
AlricFlaim, from one "thief" to another...Try using WINMX. I haven't had any problems with spyware or viruses from this program.
I'm sorry that people who are struggling musicians really believe that my DLing affects them. When our CEO talks about budget crisis and the bad economy making it impossible to compensate me for my work, I almost buy it-except that I know they are continuing to bank millions of dollars and couldn't care less that I'm short on rent.
I refuse to pay a dime to DL Taco...I don't think he minds.
Most of the music I DL I have all ready owned on tape or CD and it has been broken, stolen, or just disappeared over the years.
If I buy a CD it's mine. If I feel like sharing it with others for free, that's my right.
If you wanna make money-tour.
Many Shareware programs like limewire charge folks for the program. The RIAA should be looking at ways to be compensated from these programs, thru ads, kickbacks, whatever.
I doubt that any of you spitting venom about this, would have any problems recording a program or movie from your cable TV, and probably have recorded VCR tapes in your collection that have been passed around to your family or friends.
The RIAA needs to spend it's time and energy catching up with technology instead of prosecuting artists' fans.
These "entertainers" like Britney Spears and the like, that are getting DLed for free spend their life getting shit for free.
I doubt Britney spends a dime for her entertainment or the designer shit she whores.
There has been quite a few artists that I have discovered from DLs. I have no problem going to their concerts and spending $80 to hear them perform, or sporting some of the fashion they are hocking.
AlricFlaim, from one "thief" to another...Try using WINMX. I haven't had any problems with spyware or viruses from this program.
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Wow... 20 bucks for a CD!? You are getting ripped off, hell I only pay $12.99 tops for mine. And the funny thing is I know where you can get 12.99 CD's all over the US. Seriously... 20 bucks... that's insane. As far as the whole downloading (stealing) the songs... I thought that was considered Piracy? I got a great idear... let's round up all those that pirate music and have one hell of a public hanging! Seriously... it worked in the days of old. I'm all for it because those that pirate music takes money out of my friends and families pockets, we can make a nice picnic day out of it... I'll BBQ some dead cow... Sheath can make he Cucumber salad... A good time will be had by all. And if anyone thinks I'm whining... piss off! I don't whine... If I offended anyone... yet again... piss off, I don't give a rats ass whos prescious little sensibilities I rupture. I hate thieves.
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Well as far as I am concerned, I can understand why people would download this or that single song because just buying the Single would cost them a lot more than connection costs.
Then again I am absolutely willing to pay for some good music and buy an album, because I know that illegally downloading it DOES have a huge affect on the music industrie. The same or even worse with movies, so I am still buying my DVD's legally.
And the figures show that there are a lot people like me who'd rather pay a small ammount for downloading music. So I say bring up more of those iTunes-like-programs. It's gonna pay off because most people still feel like actin LEGALLY.
Let the artist get some reward for their music, for crying out loud. They get the least from cd-sales anyways,
Snoopy
Then again I am absolutely willing to pay for some good music and buy an album, because I know that illegally downloading it DOES have a huge affect on the music industrie. The same or even worse with movies, so I am still buying my DVD's legally.
And the figures show that there are a lot people like me who'd rather pay a small ammount for downloading music. So I say bring up more of those iTunes-like-programs. It's gonna pay off because most people still feel like actin LEGALLY.
Let the artist get some reward for their music, for crying out loud. They get the least from cd-sales anyways,
Snoopy
Re: I dunno..
First of all, let's drop the condescending attitude, shall we? You seem to be making quite an ass of yourself when you attempt to be witty.
Secondly, every link you cited is from the point of view of RIAA being a horrible entity hellbent on taking away the rights of listeners. If you did SO much research, then you should be able to provide just as many links that support the musicians, artists, songwriters and those who are being protected by the RIAA. Right?
So I'm going to sit back and wait to see you present a fair argument.
S.
alricflaim said:
First of all, let's drop the condescending attitude, shall we? You seem to be making quite an ass of yourself when you attempt to be witty.
Secondly, every link you cited is from the point of view of RIAA being a horrible entity hellbent on taking away the rights of listeners. If you did SO much research, then you should be able to provide just as many links that support the musicians, artists, songwriters and those who are being protected by the RIAA. Right?
So I'm going to sit back and wait to see you present a fair argument.
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Ljbonobo: a couple of questions for you, if you don't mind.
1. Would you consider it fair if one of your classmates "borrowed" a large project on which you had worked long and hard so that he could turn it in for a grade?
2. Let's say a classmate is found to have bought a term paper from an online service and gets a high grade for it. In the same class, you turn in your own work and receive the same grade. Do you believe your grade is somehow worth more than your classmate who plagiarized?
3. A historian reads several hundred books in preparing his own book on a major figure in history. A few years later someone discovers that an important passage in the historian's book, in fact the passage that was quoted during the ceremony in which the historian was given a prestigious award for the work, was copied verbatim from an obscure work published several decades ago. Does the historian deserve the prestigious award?
Intellectual property comes in many forms and people receive compensation for it in many different ways. Where do you draw the line on honesty for yourself? Is it at the barrier between convenient and inconvenient, or is it at the threshold between harming someone else and allowing someone else to earn her living?
Just asking.
1. Would you consider it fair if one of your classmates "borrowed" a large project on which you had worked long and hard so that he could turn it in for a grade?
2. Let's say a classmate is found to have bought a term paper from an online service and gets a high grade for it. In the same class, you turn in your own work and receive the same grade. Do you believe your grade is somehow worth more than your classmate who plagiarized?
3. A historian reads several hundred books in preparing his own book on a major figure in history. A few years later someone discovers that an important passage in the historian's book, in fact the passage that was quoted during the ceremony in which the historian was given a prestigious award for the work, was copied verbatim from an obscure work published several decades ago. Does the historian deserve the prestigious award?
Intellectual property comes in many forms and people receive compensation for it in many different ways. Where do you draw the line on honesty for yourself? Is it at the barrier between convenient and inconvenient, or is it at the threshold between harming someone else and allowing someone else to earn her living?
Just asking.
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