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[BoyNextDoor]

With the Texas secession talk and Southern Florida wanting out it got me thinking about the was the US map is currently drawn. California is easily three states, Texas two or three, Florida two, Puerto Rico should have statehood, maybe there are others.

The 56 states of America? Would 12 more Senators help or hurt?

 

[AllyRose]

Isn't there a part of California that wants to break itself away and form a separate state?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Isn't there a part of California that wants to break itself away and form a separate state?

Northern California and southern Oregon want to be the State of Jefferson.

Central California should be it's own spot but it likes to play neutral.

And everything south of Santa Cruz should be Southern California

Problem is the states and the fed have to sign off on it..and that won't happen b/c neither SF or LA get to exist as we know them today without Trinity, Shasta and Orville water reservoirs up north. Neither does like 60+ % of the nations food supply....which is about to get fucked this year btw. CA's about out of water, so enjoy the guacamole while it's cheaper than gold.

So big money isn't going to ever let Sacramento sign off on it. IDK enough about Oregon but apparently Salem is all "The rest of the state is Portland's bitch" much the way Sacramento says to the rest of CA "You're SF/LA's bitch."

 

[Wrong Element]

Northern California and southern Oregon want to be the State of Jefferson.

Central California should be it's own spot but it likes to play neutral.

And everything south of Santa Cruz should be Southern California

Problem is the states and the fed have to sign off on it...LOL yea right.

It's usually right-wing types angry at being outvoted in their own state who want to do the secession thing (though not always -- the South Floridians who want to break away are from the more liberal part of the state). So you would think, given how much they talk about the Constitution, that they would know that it's practically impossible for this to happen.

 

[AllyRose]

I imagine that Americans living in American Samoa and Guam would really like to be citizens and not "nationals".

The Independent States of California can wait.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's usually right-wing types angry at being outvoted in their own state who want to do the secession thing (though not always -- the South Floridians who want to break away are from the more liberal part of the state). So you would think, given how much they talk about the Constitution, that they would know that it's practically impossible for this to happen.

It's always the minority that wants to give the majority the finga and do their own thing.

Considering a good chunk of them think Christ himself wrote the Constitution it's really not....

 

[KingOrfeo]

Long live the Republic of Cascadia! Join the Sasquatch Militia!

 

[AllyRose]

Canada was offered the chance to become part of the union when the AoC was the "Law of the Land".

 

[phrodeau]

With the Texas secession talk and Southern Florida wanting out it got me thinking about the was the US map is currently drawn. California is easily three states, Texas two or three, Florida two, Puerto Rico should have statehood, maybe there are others.

The 56 states of America? Would 12 more Senators help or hurt?

We could always combine some of the others, and have New Dakota, New Carolina and New Virginia for example.

 

[Adre]

We could always combine some of the others, and have New Dakota, New Carolina and New Virginia for example.

I doubt my state wants to join up with them ultralibruls up thar in North Carolina.

 

[Boxlicker101]

With the Texas secession talk and Southern Florida wanting out it got me thinking about the was the US map is currently drawn. California is easily three states, Texas two or three, Florida two, Puerto Rico should have statehood, maybe there are others.

The 56 states of America? Would 12 more Senators help or hurt?

Before he got elected, Obama thought there were 57.

 

[AllyRose]

Before he got elected, Obama thought there were 57.

President Palin thought that the White House was at 1400 Pennsylvania Ave.

 

[sr71plt]

We could always combine some of the others, and have New Dakota, New Carolina and New Virginia for example.

We could go back to the original Virginia, which included, in addition to today's Virginia, West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin, and a part of Minnesota.

 

[phrodeau]

Before he got elected, Obama thought there were 57.

No, he didn't.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Northern California and southern Oregon want to be the State of Jefferson.

Central California should be it's own spot but it likes to play neutral.

And everything south of Santa Cruz should be Southern California

Problem is the states and the fed have to sign off on it..and that won't happen b/c neither SF or LA get to exist as we know them today without Trinity, Shasta and Orville water reservoirs up north. Neither does like 60+ % of the nations food supply....which is about to get fucked this year btw. CA's about out of water, so enjoy the guacamole while it's cheaper than gold.

So big money isn't going to ever let Sacramento sign off on it. IDK enough about Oregon but apparently Salem is all "The rest of the state is Portland's bitch" much the way Sacramento says to the rest of CA "You're SF/LA's bitch."

The idea as I heard it was to divide into North CA and South CA with the state line to follow the Tehachapi Mountain range. Most of the water and most of the farm land would be in North CA. As I said, I am quite sure the division will never happen.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No, he didn't.

Here he talks about visiting 57 states. I'm sure he was corrected later. You might be right, though. Possibly he thought there were more than 57.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

 

[phrodeau]

California will eventually "calve" and fall into the ocean. Be patient.

 

[phrodeau]

Here he talks about visiting 57 states. I'm sure he was corrected later. You might be right, though. Possibly he thought there were more than 57.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

That is your evidence that Senator Obama actually believed there were 57 states?

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's usually right-wing types angry at being outvoted in their own state who want to do the secession thing (though not always -- the South Floridians who want to break away are from the more liberal part of the state). So you would think, given how much they talk about the Constitution, that they would know that it's practically impossible for this to happen.

It's always the minority that wants to give the majority the finga and do their own thing.

Considering a good chunk of them think Christ himself wrote the Constitution it's really not....

While I've read the Constitution in the past, and occasionally brush up on portions of it (usually relevant to a current conversation) I'm curious why it's practically impossible under the Constitution. It's impossible politically yes but I don't recall anything in the Constitution about how state lines are drawn or demanding they keep the same borders.

I'm willing to admit that I may have missed something but I'd like to know what it is.

 

[AllyRose]

Article IV, Section 3.

 

[AllyRose]

http://www.history.com/shows/how-the-states-got-their-shapes

 

[Sean Renaud]

Thanks.

 

[MaryanneB]

Isn't there a part of California that wants to break itself away and form a separate state?

Born and raised in California (San Francisco) and the North vs. the South has been going on ever since Mulholland built the first water systems. I now live in Pennsylvania, thank God. Wouldn't go back for anything.

 

[mark_j]

Eastern Washington has been jawing about this for years.. They say they are tired of Seattle politics dictating how eastern washington does things.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The idea as I heard it was to divide into North CA and South CA with the state line to follow the Tehachapi Mountain range. Most of the water and most of the farm land would be in North CA. As I said, I am quite sure the division will never happen.

There have been several proposed break up plans, some more transparent than others but all have some agenda.