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DevilishTexan said:Keep thinking that.
And you can go on not thinking...
More Dirt On Dubya...
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And you can go on not thinking...
Purple Haze
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ruminator said:
Not yet.
Hit me...
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Purple Haze said:
I agree that their personal decisions and grieving is not our business to pass judgement on.
It is pertinent to see how they dealt with it and how that shapes the psychological persona of someone who wields world power and sends many to their death.
Even with the grieving aside, the understanding of a young child losing a sibling with no preparation, understanding or openness about what happened to her, is telling.
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Purple Haze said:
Fantastic article and riveting true story.
There is a thread running through modern American history, a thin red cord that weaves in and out of the shifting facades of reason and respectability that mask the brutal machinery of power. At certain rare moments the thread flashes into sight, emerging from the chaotic jumble of unbearable truth and life-giving illusion that makes up human reality. It appears, bears witness, then vanishes again, forgotten behind the next facade.
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Then having someone like Kerry who made bogus comments to the Senate about "war crimes" committed by VETS...........ruminator said:
You know the rest
I am certain you are too close minded to realize what you said........is a bit difficult to reconcile vis a vis Kerry
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the author is and writes forruminator said:
Chris Floyd is a columnist for the Moscow Times and a regular contributor to CounterPunch. He can be reached at: cfloyd72@hotmail.com
Fantastic article and riveting true story
And the Soviet commies were just misunderstood!
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It is pertinent to look at a person who seeks to be CIC, and lies about his medals!ruminator said:
What does that say about his mental health?
Thursday, Sept. 2, 2004 12:08 a.m. EDT
Navy Challenging Kerry's Medals
The United States Navy is challenging the authenticity of Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam War medals, in a development that could prove to be the most damaging yet to the embattled Democrat's presidential campaign.
A Navy spokesman is calling Kerry's Silver Star citation with Combat V "incorrect" as it appears on his campaign Web site, explaining in an interview with Chicago Sun-Times reporter Thomas Lipscomb that the Navy has never issued a Combat V at any time for the Silver Star.
The Navy also is questioning the listing on Kerry’s Web site of four bronze campaign stars for his service in Vietnam. The official naval record credits Kerry with just two Vietnam campaigns.
"That is sufficient for the wearing of the Vietnam Service Medal for one campaign bearing one campaign star for the additional campaign — not four," reports Lipscomb in today's New York Sun.
Kerry's campaign has repeatedly cited the Navy as the ultimate authority on the candidate's war record, saying the Navy wouldn't have awarded him medals he didn't deserve.
But with the Navy now publicly challenging Kerry's decorations, that defense has been rendered inoperative.
Noting that Kerry has refused to authorize the release of his full military records, the legal watchdog group Judicial Watch called on Kerry this week to remove any questionable citations from his Web site pending a formal investigation by the Navy.
"It is to your best interest to have your record in good order," Gen. Thomas Wilkerson, the president of the U.S. Naval Institute, told Lipscomb. "If it is wrong, you are accountable. And if you use it to advance your career, it is even more important.”
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busybody said:the author is and writes for
Chris Floyd is a columnist for the Moscow Times and a regular contributor to CounterPunch. He can be reached at: cfloyd72@hotmail.com
Fantastic article and riveting true story
And the Soviet commies were just misunderstood!
Bush has hired ex-KGB officials to work in Homeland Security and on Patriot Act laws.
...and you're going to tell me an author from Moscow can't be trusted?
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ruminator said:
1) They would be experienced in handling security, so whats the problem. (show me a link)
2) Yes! And I jsut did!
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No, no, no . . . Republican commies are good commies.ruminator said:
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Former commies who have seen the lite and now are helping the US in our defense, the problem is what exactly with that?Paendragon said:No, no, no . . . Republican commies are good commies.
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The problem is, you pick and choose which are "reformed" or not based on whether their on your side. It's ridiculous.busybody said:
It's like the ex-Nazis the U.S. put to work after WW2.
When do they stop becoming an enemy? Only when they have something we want?
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experience.ruminator said:
whats the problem?
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YES!Paendragon said:
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I don't even know what to say to this.busybody said:
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Paendragon said:
This same mistake was repeated in Iraq. A large part of the population was Ba'athist only because they had to be to work and survive. The admin "deBa'athified" society and took the profeessions away from all of those people. That's a major cause of unrest and insurgency.
....then,....installed Allawi in power, who is a previous Ba'athist from Saddam's regime.
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ruminator said:
This whole Administration is testing my ability to suspend disbelief.
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Calamity Jane said:
Do some independent searches on some of the names, places and events. There are tons of sources that verify it from different angles.
I've gone through so many of those I can't remember, does this one mention some of the early work of names like Merck(pharmaceuticals)?
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ruminator said:
No, though I'm aware of how a lot of the pharmaceutical companies got started.
It's just such an eerie time.
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Calamity Jane said:
It also explains the silent oath of loyalty that runs through this administration and beyond. These guys have a long history and have been through tougher times than a few current investigations will cause them.
Look at all the problems surrounding Rumsfeld and he's still right there. BTW, he bought the little lab that held the rights to the anthrax vaccine about 20 years ago.
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__MSNBC.com
Bush skipped ’70s drills, paper says
Boston Globe: No punishment for missing training
Reuters
Updated: 1:54 p.m. ET Sept. 8, 2004
BOSTON - President Bush fell short of meeting his military obligations during the Vietnam War and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required training drills, The Boston Globe said Wednesday.
In a re-examination of the president’s service in the Texas Air National Guard, the newspaper said Bush appeared to have broken his contract with the U.S. government by not joining an Air Force Reserve unit when he moved in mid-1973 to Massachusetts from Texas.
The military records of Bush and of his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who was decorated for his service in Vietnam, have featured prominently in the campaign for the presidential election on Nov. 2.
Republicans have made Bush’s leadership of what he calls a global war on terrorism central to his campaign.
In February, the White House released hundreds of pages of Bush’s military records that showed he was absent for long periods of his final two years of National Guard duty but said nonetheless he met service requirements.
However, the Globe focused on documents Bush signed in 1968 and again in 1973 in which he pledged to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty.
The Globe said in July 1973, before Bush moved from Houston to Cambridge, Massachusetts, to attend Harvard Business School, he signed a document saying: “It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... “
Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post in 1999 that the future president had served at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after leaving Houston. But Bush never joined a Boston-area unit, the Globe said.
“I must have misspoke,” Bartlett, now White House communications director, was quoted as telling the Globe in a recent interview.
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, responding to the Globe report Wednesday, said, “The president was honored to serve his country. He met his obligations, and was honorably discharged.”
The Globe also looked at a 1968 pledge by Bush in which he committed to “satisfactory participation” at Guard training, including 24 days of weekend duty each year and 15 days of active duty each year.
No service for six months
But the newspaper said he performed no service over a six-month period in 1972 and nearly a three-month stretch in 1973 — erratic attendance that could have prompted his superiors to discipline him or order him to active duty in 1972, 1973 or 1974.
Instead, Bush’s unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been “satisfactory,” the Globe said.
The National Guard and reserves, rarely called up during the Vietnam War, came to be regarded as “draft havens for relatively affluent young white men,” the Air National Guard says in a history on its Internet site.
The Pentagon on Tuesday released 17 pages of what it called newly found records concerning Bush’s service that showed he flew 336 hours in a fighter jet, most recently in April 1972, and ranked 22nd out of 53 pilots when he finished flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
The pages did not resolve the dispute over whether Bush completed the service as required.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the details about Bush’s service undermined his credibility. ”These new documents show that the president did not serve honorably,” McAuliffe said, accusing Bush of either lying about his record or suffering “some kind of severe memory loss.”
A pro-Kerry group, Texans for Truth, plans to run television commercials this week questioning Bush’s Guard attendance. A group backing Bush, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has said in its own commercials that Kerry lied about his Vietnam war record.
Copyright 2004_Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5943420/
Bush skipped ’70s drills, paper says
Boston Globe: No punishment for missing training
Reuters
Updated: 1:54 p.m. ET Sept. 8, 2004
BOSTON - President Bush fell short of meeting his military obligations during the Vietnam War and was not disciplined despite irregular attendance at required training drills, The Boston Globe said Wednesday.
In a re-examination of the president’s service in the Texas Air National Guard, the newspaper said Bush appeared to have broken his contract with the U.S. government by not joining an Air Force Reserve unit when he moved in mid-1973 to Massachusetts from Texas.
The military records of Bush and of his Democratic opponent, Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, who was decorated for his service in Vietnam, have featured prominently in the campaign for the presidential election on Nov. 2.
Republicans have made Bush’s leadership of what he calls a global war on terrorism central to his campaign.
In February, the White House released hundreds of pages of Bush’s military records that showed he was absent for long periods of his final two years of National Guard duty but said nonetheless he met service requirements.
However, the Globe focused on documents Bush signed in 1968 and again in 1973 in which he pledged to meet training commitments or face a punitive call-up to active duty.
The Globe said in July 1973, before Bush moved from Houston to Cambridge, Massachusetts, to attend Harvard Business School, he signed a document saying: “It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months... “
Bush spokesman Dan Bartlett told the Washington Post in 1999 that the future president had served at a Boston-area Air Force Reserve unit after leaving Houston. But Bush never joined a Boston-area unit, the Globe said.
“I must have misspoke,” Bartlett, now White House communications director, was quoted as telling the Globe in a recent interview.
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, responding to the Globe report Wednesday, said, “The president was honored to serve his country. He met his obligations, and was honorably discharged.”
The Globe also looked at a 1968 pledge by Bush in which he committed to “satisfactory participation” at Guard training, including 24 days of weekend duty each year and 15 days of active duty each year.
No service for six months
But the newspaper said he performed no service over a six-month period in 1972 and nearly a three-month stretch in 1973 — erratic attendance that could have prompted his superiors to discipline him or order him to active duty in 1972, 1973 or 1974.
Instead, Bush’s unit certified in late 1973 that his service had been “satisfactory,” the Globe said.
The National Guard and reserves, rarely called up during the Vietnam War, came to be regarded as “draft havens for relatively affluent young white men,” the Air National Guard says in a history on its Internet site.
The Pentagon on Tuesday released 17 pages of what it called newly found records concerning Bush’s service that showed he flew 336 hours in a fighter jet, most recently in April 1972, and ranked 22nd out of 53 pilots when he finished flight training at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia in 1969.
The pages did not resolve the dispute over whether Bush completed the service as required.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the details about Bush’s service undermined his credibility. ”These new documents show that the president did not serve honorably,” McAuliffe said, accusing Bush of either lying about his record or suffering “some kind of severe memory loss.”
A pro-Kerry group, Texans for Truth, plans to run television commercials this week questioning Bush’s Guard attendance. A group backing Bush, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has said in its own commercials that Kerry lied about his Vietnam war record.
Copyright 2004_Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5943420/
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