Models.

[Laurel]

I want to see your genes.

Why?

.

 

[dolf]

Sure, and those are beautiful women. But that's not the only kind of beauty in the world.

What about Black or Asian women who want to dye their hair blonde? Are they not allowed to have any color of hair other than what they're born with?

did I say that?

just because trysail made you grouchy, doesn't make my opinion an attack of freedom of expression. all I said was that, post photoshop & op culture, society's perception of what qualifies as beautiful has narrowed. how is that an oppressive observation?

 

[girlsmiley]

But is that need, or want?

In all seriousness though, kitty mama, I don't wear bras sometimes.

I don't have ginormous boobies, so going braless is awesome.

If a guy cops an eye-full looking down my blouse, or notices my nipples poking out a bit, I figure it's his lucky day.

Nipples are fun and so much nicer on the eyes. Plus, some of the clothes I wear...you just don't need them.

FashUN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA27aQZCQMk

 

[satindesire]

So the only way women are "allowed" to be pretty is if they're born with perfect skin and features?

Yes.

They WANT us to look like the "after" pictures, but we're not allowed to DO anything to get to that point.

We're supposed to be born like that, roll out of bed looking like that and absolutely buy nothing or put any effort at all into it.

Effortless perfection. Which is 100% unrealistic, but it's what's expected.

 

[Laurel]

did I say that?

just because trysail made you grouchy, doesn't make my opinion an attack of freedom of expression. all I said was that, post photoshop & op culture, society's perception of what qualifies as beautiful has narrowed. how is that an oppressive observation?

If I came off as snippy, it wasn't my intention. But honestly, I don't think society's perception of beauty has narrowed. I think the opposite has happened. As recently as the 1950s, the standard of beauty in the Western world was a white woman of a certain age (young) with acceptable makeup and dressed "appropriately". If you were not Caucasian, not a certain height, and not a certain age, forget it.

I just read yesterday that actresses in their 40s are now the big money in Hollywood. Even as recently as 30 years ago, being 40 meant playing the main character's mom - or getting married and retiring from acting. But today women in their 40s and 50s play romantic leads! And nowadays women of all ethnicities - and sizes - grace the pages of the big fashion magazines and star in big-budget movies. Not as frequently as white woman, but moreso than in the past.

And if you look on the Internet - which is where young women are getting their cue today, not magazines - you'll see women of all sizes dressing sexily, wearing bathing suits. When I was a kid, you would never see a plump woman in a bathing suit being considered a sex symbol. It just wouldn't happen. But there are millions of such models. And they have rabidly appreciative fans - men and women. No, they're not on the over of Vogue - but I don't think young girls today care as much about Vogue. They visit places like Tumblr, and the vibe on Tumblr is pro-feminist, pro-women, and features beautiful women in every shape and size and shade. The deep discussions about femininity and body image that take place among teen girls on the Internet today are awesome and amazing. There nothing like that when I was young. We just stuffed it all inside and felt shitty because we weren't Kate Moss.

I don't think there's been a time in history when women as a whole have been freer to look how they want, dress how they want, act how they want, and be who they want.

Yes.

They WANT us to look like the "after" pictures, but we're not allowed to DO anything to get to that point.

We're supposed to be born like that, roll out of bed looking like that and absolutely buy nothing or put any effort at all into it.

Effortless perfection. Which is 100% unrealistic, but it's what's expected.

Exactly. So we can either be a "failure" or a "cheat".

 

[girlsmiley]

If I came off as snippy, it wasn't my intention. But honestly, I don't think society's perception of beauty has narrowed. I think the opposite has happened. As recently as the 1950s, the standard of beauty in the Western world was a white woman of a certain age (young) with acceptable makeup and dressed "appropriately". If you were not Caucasian, not a certain height, and not a certain age, forget it.

I just read yesterday that actresses in their 40s are now the big money in Hollywood. Even as recently as 30 years ago, being 40 meant playing the main character's mom - or getting married and retiring from acting. But today women in their 40s and 50s play romantic leads! And nowadays women of all ethnicities - and sizes - grace the pages of the big fashion magazines and star in big-budget movies. Not as frequently as white woman, but moreso than in the past.

And if you look on the Internet - which is where young women are getting their cue today, not magazines - you'll see women of all sizes dressing sexily, wearing bathing suits. When I was a kid, you would never see a plump woman in a bathing suit being considered a sex symbol. It just wouldn't happen. But there are millions of such models. And they have rabidly appreciative fans - men and women. No, they're not on the over of Vogue - but I don't think young girls today care as much about Vogue. They visit places like Tumblr, and the vibe on Tumblr is pro-feminist, pro-women, and features beautiful women in every shape and size and shade. The deep discussions about femininity and body image that take place among teen girls on the Internet today are awesome and amazing. There nothing like that when I was young. We just stuffed it all inside and felt shitty because we weren't Kate Moss.

I don't think there's been a time in history when women as a whole have been freer to look how they want, dress how they want, act how they want, and be who they want.

Truth. Actually, I agree with your entire post.

Brava.

 

[dolf]

i disagree. i think the kids having deep & meaningful debates about the topic are, and always have been, the minority. what i hear from my evil teen, what the average girl in the locker-room is saying, is a very different attitude. the average, the consumers of the mainstream, not the clued up few.

 

[Laurel]

Truth. Actually, I agree with your entire post.

Brava.

 

[Laurel]

I want to see your genes.

I like you. We don't always agree on things, but you're always polite and respectful.

But trust me: you do not want to see my genes.

 

[Laurel]

Shortish and kinda fluffy, but interesting to little-booby girls like me and possibly relevant to the busty girls here.

If you’ve got C-cup or larger-sized breasts, chances are it feels like you permanently have a toddler attached to your body, and like most demanding children, they dominate your whole life. Oh yeah, you can fill out a sweater like it’s nobody’s business, and you certainly get male eyes on you, but with your giant ta-tas comes a life of watching your boobs pop out of bras, shirts, and dresses like they’re rampaging bulls on the streets of Pamplona.
[...]
As girls with huge boobs, we are often told by friends and family to “Stop complaining. I only WISH I had boobs like yours.” Jokes aside, there are a lot of drawbacks. Amidst the obvious clothing issues and drooling stares, there is also back pain, posture issues, hindrances when it comes to running and working out, and postpartum inflation/stretching that we’ve heard only makes the situation worse. Feeling sexy with boobs so heavy they really don’t look great without a bra is a feat. I know what you’re thinking—all men love boobs, right? Well, maybe. But with a naturally large chest it can be hard to feel good naked since your comfort in cleavage is stripped away when the bra comes off. Celebrities and porn stars post-plastic surgery have created the illusion that big boobs are perfectly round and stand up on their own. Wearing a backless dress is not a problem, because gravity doesn’t exist and nipples are perfectly even. Not true. Even at a young age, the giant girls sag from the sheer weight and flip-flop about in pretty much the least sexy way possible. Not a great visual, right? We can only fear for how Left & Right will look 20 years from now.​

- read the full article “Tits McGee:” Growing Up With Big Boobs (from Literally, Darling)​

 

[Recidiva]

Shortish and kinda fluffy, but interesting to little-booby girls like me and possibly relevant to the busty girls here.

If you’ve got C-cup or larger-sized breasts, chances are it feels like you permanently have a toddler attached to your body, and like most demanding children, they dominate your whole life. Oh yeah, you can fill out a sweater like it’s nobody’s business, and you certainly get male eyes on you, but with your giant ta-tas comes a life of watching your boobs pop out of bras, shirts, and dresses like they’re rampaging bulls on the streets of Pamplona.
[...]
As girls with huge boobs, we are often told by friends and family to “Stop complaining. I only WISH I had boobs like yours.” Jokes aside, there are a lot of drawbacks. Amidst the obvious clothing issues and drooling stares, there is also back pain, posture issues, hindrances when it comes to running and working out, and postpartum inflation/stretching that we’ve heard only makes the situation worse. Feeling sexy with boobs so heavy they really don’t look great without a bra is a feat. I know what you’re thinking—all men love boobs, right? Well, maybe. But with a naturally large chest it can be hard to feel good naked since your comfort in cleavage is stripped away when the bra comes off. Celebrities and porn stars post-plastic surgery have created the illusion that big boobs are perfectly round and stand up on their own. Wearing a backless dress is not a problem, because gravity doesn’t exist and nipples are perfectly even. Not true. Even at a young age, the giant girls sag from the sheer weight and flip-flop about in pretty much the least sexy way possible. Not a great visual, right? We can only fear for how Left & Right will look 20 years from now.​

- read the full article “Tits McGee:” Growing Up With Big Boobs (from Literally, Darling)​

I have big boobs. Enough so that not just my sister, but my cousins would get together and complain that I got theirs as a group. They arrived by twelve and I got ridiculous amounts of male and female attention very early.

But I have nothing but love for them and none of the perceived physical or psychological drawbacks...even if when I bought a bra once, the model was a drag queen. True story. Same for feet. Extra super big drag queen shoes.

I don't really care what they look like, they are FUN and feel good and that's what computes the most in my life.

My comments in the cat call thread have most to do with the size of my boobs. Although I will actually get cat calls from gay men across the room. "Daaaaamn girl, where'd you get them damned things?" and it's a conversation starter. I had a T-shirt for "Chess" once and of course it was clearly for "Chest."

I MUST wear a bra and it must be well engineered in public or there will be no other topic available for conversation more likely than not.

I boobs of all sizes. I think the only time I actually had boob envy was a poster of a woman who had her breast removed and had the scar tattooed with ivy. I really wanted that and I thought it was unspeakably cool.

I've been judged by boob size enough to get to the point where it's boring and irrelevant and I don't think boob size says anything about you. I also don't care if you're 90 years old and they're down to your knees and tattooed. If you like 'em, and you should, good for you!

 

[Debbie]

I know it's easy for me to encourage others to accept themselves as they are when I would have liked to have a boob reduction. It's a bit hypocritical but it's the truth.

I offered to donate the extra boobage to my sister and she laughed. Just as well she knows I'm not making fun of her flat eggs on cardboard as she calls them.

I don't like to moan but I have neck and back issues which could be from lifting patients as a palliative care person but possibly from the watermelons as well.

I have heard many a joke about my boobs and I laugh and it doesn't sting. Blonde and bib boobs? Groan.


On a more serious note. Ladies remember to do regular breast checks. It is important and it could save your life.


Mums remember to talk to your daughters about the topic.

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/breast-self-exam


http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/your-boobs-are-awesome-240x180.png

 

[trysail]

I like you. We don't always agree on things, but you're always polite and respectful.

But trust me: you do not want to see my genes.

That's a nice compliment and I thank you. Not being entirely stupid, all else equal, I prefer to enjoy the favor of this website's owner/benevolent dictator rather than the reverse.


Apropos of this thread, it should not surprise you that this story caught my eye this evening:

...We launched in May 2007 and one of the first posts that went up was a call for an unretouched cover photograph of a women's magazine. Now, these are not easy things to just get. I mean, they're kept under lock and key for a reason. I would assume that maybe five people ever see an unretouched cover photograph of, let's say, Cosmo or Glamour...


from: 'The Book of Jezebel': An Honest Look At 'Lady Things' ( http://www.npr.org/2013/10/19/237004361/the-book-of-jezebel-an-honest-look-at-lady-things )


​

 

[warrior queen]

Another story last night on tv....
Girls made to fast for 7 days prior to cawalk run or they won't be used?!
In what universe is this normal or right?

 

[ChinaBandit]

Me thinks that women who complain about thin models are too fucking fat and know it. Sorry, but I've never heard a woman who wasn't overweight say a word on this subject.

 

[knot_sweet]

Me thinks that women who complain about thin models are too fucking fat and know it. Sorry, but I've never heard a woman who wasn't overweight say a word on this subject.

Er, then you clearly missed my post on this thread where I was one of those stick thin girls that catwalked...and hated it.

Having a BMI in the very very low 'healthy' range, being able to rest coke cans between my collar bones and neck muscles, then being told I needed to lose weight? Fuck that.

There's not enough money in the world that could entice me back into that world, even if I still had the goods for it.

At least now, when I'm judged for how I look (I'm 'fat' now), I know it doesn't make a damn lick of difference. Someone, somewhere, is always going to have something negative to say. I can shrug it off.

I'm fat, I'm ugly, and so fucking what? I'm a great cook, spectacular in bed, genuinely nice, have awesome skills at some other random stuff... so if all you can see is fat and ugly, then you're the one missing out.

 

[xjasminex]

Excuse me, you asshole

To Chinabandit, You simply cannot lump all women who have an opinion of the weight factor in body image issues as "fucking fat". FYI I have a BMI of 20, and I think that propping up super thin women, models or otherwise, as the perfect ideal is harmful.



In any case, for the rest of the board - a different view on the topic.

In the medical community, of which I am part, I can't help but notice stigma against overweight and obese people. Behind closed doors, or even while the patients are on the operating table in front of them knocked out from anesthetic, doctors and other staff are derogatory and sometimes really mean about the weight. On one hand I'm offended for the patient, but on the other hand I can understand (though they shouldn't be so personal about it). Doctors and other health care providers trade in health. And it is globally understood, that for the most part, being overweight/obese is unhealthy. Lots of fat on a patient's body makes trying to help them be healthier REALLY DIFFICULT. I've seen the physical and mental exhaustion of a surgeon trying to cut out a bowel cancer when having to have three people constantly for 5 hours assist in the sole job of keeping the patient's fat out of the way. The frustration of so many physicians trying to manage patient's blood pressures, cholesterol and the tens of things wrong with them that the patient could almost eliminate themselves with a good diet and exercise.

To me healthy people are beautiful. Healthy people naturally have better skin, trimmer waists, glowing complexions, glossy hair and many of the things that are inherently attractive. A woman, or man, can be healthy if they are naturally thin, thinner than others. She or he can be healthy if they are naturally larger than others. You can't help your genes, but you usually can help your lifestyle. Few people are naturally 'perfect', but health foremost, you can do whatever makes you happy to change your appearance - have tattoos, wear make up, dye your hair, pierce yourself, have your nails done etc. Both super thin and super big are both unattractive when they represent unhealthy habits, such as anorexia or overeating of fatty foods.

 

[Debbie]

Healthy is the message I want women to hear and to think about when it comes to their weight and image.



http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/en...13/10/23/stars-weight-loss-ups-downs/#slide=1

 

[Debbie]

Curvy models in demand.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11146519

"Designers here are also changing their attitudes towards what measurements models need to shrink down to and a recent international study - commissioned by So Fabulous for Littlewoods.com that specifically designs for women of sizes 14-32, found size 16 women are the happiest and most comfortable in their own skin."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...high-fashion-model-instead-swimsuit-babe.html

 

[Debbie]

"Global Democracy is an organisation that allows people to propose and vote on global issues, and with this video they hope to make it mandatory to have a disclaimer on photos that have been digitally altered.

The video has been circulating online since 2012 but was reposted last week and has ignited the ongoing debate surrounding the unrealistic examples set to young girls through the use of airbrushing and retouching."



http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/beauty/9346766/Crazy-model-transformation-video

 

[Debbie]

"Australian model lambasts 'thigh gaps'"



http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/9353731/Australian-model-lambasts-thigh-gaps

 

[Super-Surprise]

http://www.fotos.sc/img2/u/photocdn49/n/pose_nudity_beach_topless_nudes_breasts_woman_model_naked_thong_sexy_nude_lady_nudist_fkk.jpg

 

[Debbie]

"A major UK department store is introducing larger mannequins to its shop floors.
Size 16"


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24843175