Mma

[Palamino19]

Yeah, I was in a profession that required fighting skill, the first required skill being how to avoid getting into a fight. I've never been knocked out. I have been choked out as part of the lesson plan. That shit didn't make sense to me then any more than it does now...

Yeah, same here on the profession. Never been knocked out, and yeah, I get pissed when teachers think you can't teach a choke without taking it all the way.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

You got mad last time it was shown you knew nothing about fight sports, you apparently think this will go better.

Heavy boxing gloves increase the frequency of head strikes because of their size. The boxing industry's moves over the last century toward bigger fighters and not supporting technical fighters have done the same. Football's tendency to have roles of being the big guy who get hits do the same. There is risk, but there are also a whole host of boxers who wrote scholarly books in their retirement years, and they take a lot more hits than mma people.

The dumb boxer is a myth believed by people who know zero boxers.

And blah blah blah. A blow to the head is a blow to the head.

What about the important question.
Did you tell your wife you were gay before you married her?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Scary report: UFC / MMA fighters 'on course to develop brain diseases similar to boxers, pro wrestlers and football players'


If you think about it objectively, getting hit in the head is probably never a good thing.

Fall down and crack the back of your skull on an icy sidewalk? Rest assured your girlfriend will be heading to Web MD on her iPhone to check for signs of a concussion, giving you all sorts of well meaning -- albeit irritating -- advice quicker than you can say, "It was my own damn fault for shot-gunning that last High Life tallboy."

But, for some reason, the mixed martial arts (MMA) community seldom thinks twice when we see a fighter lose consciousness because of the concussive force generated by a knee to the forehead. Instead of being concerned for the concussed fighter's well-being, our usual reaction is to laud his opponent's skill at inducing head trauma.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Moron.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Yeah, same here on the profession. Never been knocked out, and yeah, I get pissed when teachers think you can't teach a choke without taking it all the way.

Yoo...Hoo..

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Yeah, same here on the profession. Never been knocked out, and yeah, I get pissed when teachers think you can't teach a choke without taking it all the way.

I had a couple of real assholes for teachers, but since they were supremely good at what they did, I tended to stay with them a while, until I could no longer stand their vicious temperament.



I had one teacher who was a cop. He sent his sergeant to me for advanced TKD training. The sergeant confided in my that the department knew that he was a violent asshole and the standing order was that if they had to intervene in any confrontation involving Sensei, that they were just to shoot him on the spot; not to take any chances.

 

[Palamino19]

Scary report: UFC / MMA fighters 'on course to develop brain diseases similar to boxers, pro wrestlers and football players'


If you think about it objectively, getting hit in the head is probably never a good thing.

Fall down and crack the back of your skull on an icy sidewalk? Rest assured your girlfriend will be heading to Web MD on her iPhone to check for signs of a concussion, giving you all sorts of well meaning -- albeit irritating -- advice quicker than you can say, "It was my own damn fault for shot-gunning that last High Life tallboy."

But, for some reason, the mixed martial arts (MMA) community seldom thinks twice when we see a fighter lose consciousness because of the concussive force generated by a knee to the forehead. Instead of being concerned for the concussed fighter's well-being, our usual reaction is to laud his opponent's skill at inducing head trauma.

And as the ufc also moves toward more roided out guys, and rewards guys trading blows over technical fighters, this will undoubtedly be an issue. But, given that the studies on mma(which that link lacked) show that it is still joint damage that is the greatest concern, simply applying football or boxing logic fails to fully understand the reality.

In both football and boxing, there are athletes whose sole role is repeated blows at a much higher number than mma fighters.

And the issue is far more complex than that. If you rule out actual combat, the martial arts community tends to descend into chicanery and fraud, because people who have never even risked a hit to the head are not qualified experts, yet they come to dominate the self defense field, and teach garbage, not only to citizens, but to the military and police as well.

 

[Palamino19]

I had a couple of real assholes for teachers, but since they were supremely good at what they did, I tended to stay with them a while, until I could no longer stand their vicious temperament.



I had one teacher who was a cop. He sent his sergeant to me for advanced TKD training. The sergeant confided in my that the department knew that he was a violent asshole and the standing order was that if they had to intervene in any confrontation involving Sensei, that they were just to shoot him on the spot; not to take any chances.

I totally have done the same. It's the lucky devil who, in his training history, only finds the skilled, but ethical ones.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I totally have done the same. It's the lucky devil who, in his training history, only finds the skilled, but ethical ones.

I studied under a lot of teachers and was involved in a real community of excellent men.

If someone was beating me consistently, as in the aforementioned teacher, I would not go sulk or try some new trick, I's just ask him to work with me. Most people are so flattered by that they can't say no.

On the other hand, one of my buddies asked me why he had never been able to beat me. I told him, you bounce, I time the bounce. No, that's not it, he replied. Bouncing makes me faster. How the hell can anyone that delusional ever learn anything in the first place?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

And as the ufc also moves toward more roided out guys, and rewards guys trading blows over technical fighters, this will undoubtedly be an issue. But, given that the studies on mma(which that link lacked) show that it is still joint damage that is the greatest concern, simply applying football or boxing logic fails to fully understand the reality.

In both football and boxing, there are athletes whose sole role is repeated blows at a much higher number than mma fighters.

And the issue is far more complex than that. If you rule out actual combat, the martial arts community tends to descend into chicanery and fraud, because people who have never even risked a hit to the head are not qualified experts, yet they come to dominate the self defense field, and teach garbage, not only to citizens, but to the military and police as well.

The Fighter Who Stayed Too Long

MMA fighters suffer traumatic brain injury in almost a third of professional bouts: study

Sean O'Haire: a stark reminder about the long term-effects of brain trauma?

So MMA fighters NEVER get hit in the head? I think CTE is way more significant long term than arthritic knees.

The viewers really want the answer to this question tho.
Did you tell your wife you were gay before you married her?

 

[Palamino19]

I studied under a lot of teachers and was involved in a real community of excellent men.

If someone was beating me consistently, as in the aforementioned teacher, I would not go sulk or try some new trick, I's just ask him to work with me. Most people are so flattered by that they can't say no.

On the other hand, one of my buddies asked me why he had never been able to beat me. I told him, you bounce, I time the bounce. No, that's not it, he replied. Bouncing makes me faster. How the hell can anyone that delusional ever learn anything in the first place?

Bouncing makes him faster? Holy crap.

I had a guy training under me once who occasionally would just decide to start throwing down with strikes. Unfortunately, he was not good at avoiding getting hit, but I didn't want to pound him, so he got thrown. A lot. he was usually trying to impress some woman at the time.

 

[Palamino19]

So MMA fighters NEVER get hit in the head?

Since no one ever said this, nice straw man. There is a qualitative difference to larger gloves and lower ability to avoid strikes. As more fighters can function on the ground, and as ratings push for more dynamic fights, of course there is likely to be trends that may lead to a change in the evidence. But up until now, there has been less incidence than in boxing and football. There will probably continue be less incidence without more changes.

From the one actual study you cited: The study conducted by Prof. Hutchison and doctors at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto did not involve actual medical diagnosis of MMA fighters.

And again, do you want the military trained by people who cannot fight?

 

[Palamino19]

It's often the same people who complain about the rolling around on the ground who complain that it's barbaric how people get hit. Which is incredibly ironic.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

Since no one ever said this, nice straw man. There is a qualitative difference to larger gloves and lower ability to avoid strikes. As more fighters can function on the ground, and as ratings push for more dynamic fights, of course there is likely to be trends that may lead to a change in the evidence. But up until now, there has been less incidence than in boxing and football. There will probably continue be less incidence without more changes.

From the one actual study you cited: The study conducted by Prof. Hutchison and doctors at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto did not involve actual medical diagnosis of MMA fighters.

And again, do you want the military trained by people who cannot fight?

Do you live your life in total denial? Did you tell your wife you were gay before you married her?

 

[Palamino19]

All because you thought a tennis player could beat a pro fighter, and I disagreed.

Do you think there would be a precipitous drop in the quality of potential martial arts instruction for military and police personnel if we got rid of venues that allowed head strikes?

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

All because you thought a tennis player could beat a pro fighter, and I disagreed.

Do you think there would be a precipitous drop in the quality of potential martial arts instruction for military and police personnel if we got rid of venues that allowed head strikes?

Do you think your wife deserved to know you were gay before you married her?

 

[Palamino19]

I'm on this thread because it's about mma. Because that's what the thread is about..

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm on this thread because it's about mma. Because that's what the thread is about..

Well come over here then:

http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1215051

Because I'm kicking you in the head in this one and that one.

 

[Palamino19]

I think that, as mma moves more towards dynamic fights, brain trauma will increasingly become an issue. Whether it surpasses boxing and football is the question, and whether, if it does, the answer is getting rid of it or honoring the fighters. Fight sports are, by their nature, not safe. That said, so far, the known stats for mma have not been worse than boxing and some other sports...

The larger glove size in boxing means far more hits connect than in mma. The reality in football is that the positions most prone to brain trauma are the ones that get hit in almost every play by 300 lbs. plus players.

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I think that, as mma moves more towards dynamic fights, brain trauma will increasingly become an issue. Whether it surpasses boxing and football is the question, and whether, if it does, the answer is getting rid of it or honoring the fighters. Fight sports are, by their nature, not safe. That said, so far, the known stats for mma have not been worse than boxing and some other sports...

What is an acceptable number of CTE cases? You would have to be completely delusional to believe that concussions aren't occurring on a regular basis. What does it say about you that you derive pleasure from watching others sacrifice their lives and future health for your entertainment?

And did you tell your wive you were gay before you married her?

 

[InWord]

Women love gay men.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I think that, as mma moves more towards dynamic fights, brain trauma will increasingly become an issue. Whether it surpasses boxing and football is the question, and whether, if it does, the answer is getting rid of it or honoring the fighters.

Who cares if it surpasses and why would we 'get rid of it'???

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I guess he got tired of fighting...

 

[Palamino19]

Who cares if it surpasses and why would we 'get rid of it'???

I'm not advocating for getting rid of it, I say honor the fighters.

The most common thing to defend is a punch to the head. If we ban activities that require dealing with it, we may as well ban all martial arts. I don't think this is a good solution...

 

[ms_ann_thrope]

I'm not advocating for getting rid of it, I say honor the fighters.

The most common thing to defend is a punch to the head. If we ban activities that require dealing with it, we may as well ban all martial arts. I don't think this is a good solution...

Do you punch your wife in the head?