Missing DQSteele story

[ILienBagby]

Last week Danielqsteele1 posted chapter 1 of a story that garnered much attention. It concerned a wife in a marriage that has lasted for over 30 years who suddenly announces an affair and runs off to Chicago to get away from her banker husband. This reader (as I am sure did many others) has been waiting for chapter 2 of this tale. A check of Steele1's site today reveals that chapter 1 of the story is no longer listed. There is no explanation that I can find. Can anyone clarify????

 

[lovecraft68]

Last week Danielqsteele1 posted chapter 1 of a story that garnered much attention. It concerned a wife in a marriage that has lasted for over 30 years who suddenly announces an affair and runs off to Chicago to get away from her banker husband. This reader (as I am sure did many others) has been waiting for chapter 2 of this tale. A check of Steele1's site today reveals that chapter 1 of the story is no longer listed. There is no explanation that I can find. Can anyone clarify????

I can't say for sure, but its possible that chapter is part of a larger piece she is planning to publish for money and she put out chapter one simply for some feedback and pulled it.

I recently did the same with a BDSM piece. I left it up for two weeks then removed it.

 

[ILienBagby]

thanks for reply but

how would the author possibly expect a reader to look for the next part of the story in an e-book if the author didn't leave a note or even a trace of the original story? A few months ago, a different author, j.l.remora wrote a very similar (in plot) first chapter which evoked much interest and then never came through (although he had promised) with a second chapter. All of this is enough to make this reader promise himself to never again begin a story that is not finished when it is submitted!

 

[bassack]

I'm with you, ILB, and equally frustrated.

In fact, I'd urge readers to lobby the site administrators of the site to not publish any parts of incomplete stories. (Administrators, please consider this the first such request.)

An alternative might be a separate category for partially published stories seeking comment or those authors who are testing the waters and contemplating publishing for pay.

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm with you, ILB, and equally frustrated.

In fact, I'd urge readers to lobby the site administrators of the site to not publish any parts of incomplete stories. (Administrators, please consider this the first such request.)

An alternative might be a separate category for partially published stories seeking comment or those authors who are testing the waters and contemplating publishing for pay.

That will never fly. If a writer thinks they have to have the entire thing written before they submit here, they won't bother.

For many writers like myself releasing the chapters as they were written was great for my focus. I had many times I was ready to stop, but would get e-mails from people excitedly asking for the next part and I did not want to disappoint

Unfortunately many authors do not have it in them to finish. Or real life happens and they run out fo writing time etc....

I do understand from a readers POV that it sucks to start a good story and have it never finish, you get engrossed int the story then it vanishes.

My suggestion? If it bothers you to that degree, wait until you know a story is done before reading it.

 

[bassack]

I guess it comes down to deciding who this site is more intended to serve.

If it's primarily a venue for authors, then you're right and, given that you are a published author, you certainly have standing to comment.

If, on the other hand, it's primarily a site for readers, then I stand by my comments and suggestion.

This only becomes an issue when the needs/desires of authors and readers are at odds as is the case in this particular issue.

You seem to imply that the readers will benefit from coddling authors and providing them valuable feedback because then the quality and quantity of the work will improve. I believe that every JLRemora ad DQS who uses the site to pick the readers' brains for their own gain while holding back on the payoff just frustrates and turns away readers and diminishes the value of the site.

No right or wrong, just two sides of a coin.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm a published author too, and I wouldn't start publishing anything in a series until it was finished and I knew it was going to be delivered in a timely manner--unless after I wrote a story I decided later to add a followup story to it.

Now, when I post a series on Literotica, I include a note for readers on how many segments there are and the latest time frame the last segment will post on Literotica. (And I don't start reading a series that I don't know has been finished.)

 

[lovecraft68]

I'm not talking about being published, I am speaking just for Lit. many people post their chapters as they write them.

Others will finish the entire thing first then release it.

Going by what you have said in the past your lit stuff is stuff you've had up somewhere else so yours most likely are complete.

I wrote mine one at a time with at the most three weeks in between. Neither way is right or wrong.

As to who the site is intended for that's the chicken or the egg. The readers come to the site which is how it gets hits and makes money.

But the author has to put the story here for the reader to come here.

Understand something as a reader.

We do not get paid. The only payment we receive is votes/views/comments.

maybe, one out of every ten or twenty readers bother voting and far less take the time to comment.

So excuse the authors when we sometimes do not see it as our life's mission to get our stuff out to the readers in a timely fashion.

 

[lovecraft68]

I guess it comes down to deciding who this site is more intended to serve.

If it's primarily a venue for authors, then you're right and, given that you are a published author, you certainly have standing to comment.

If, on the other hand, it's primarily a site for readers, then I stand by my comments and suggestion.

This only becomes an issue when the needs/desires of authors and readers are at odds as is the case in this particular issue.

You seem to imply that the readers will benefit from coddling authors and providing them valuable feedback because then the quality and quantity of the work will improve. I believe that every JLRemora ad DQS who uses the site to pick the readers' brains for their own gain while holding back on the payoff just frustrates and turns away readers and diminishes the value of the site.

No right or wrong, just two sides of a coin.

To this I say, want a complete work?

Buy one.

This is a free site you are reading thousands upon thousands of stories for free. If you want a complete quality work that won't let you down, spend some money.

Many authors deliberately leave things unfinished here, so people will do just that. They hook you and hope you'll spend a couple of dollars to support them.

But mostly what happens is people whine they have to pay and just move on to another story for free.

This site is a ground for writers to cut their teeth. Some are very established and still post here to build an audience, some will simply never go past this point. Some practice here and move on.

As I said before if want to read a complete work either spring for one or go to the Series section in the lit stories section and find series that are already completed.

 

[PennLady]

You could also check the author's bio on their profile page, they might leave some information there, since they can't advertise or post links in the stories.

And as for whom the site serves -- whoever wants to use it. It's a free site and readers and writers have no obligations to anyone.

 

[estragon]

I wish I could wait to finish a series before posting the first chapter. But time constraints, and my own failings as an author, prevent that; inspiration just takes too long to come. I'm grateful to Lit for the opportunity to publish, and even more grateful to the readers who read and commented.

 

[sr71plt]

Tilt. There's no one with a gun to your head on when you post anything. I have stories to post to Lit. on file that were written months ago and are waiting for timed posting. And I have lots of series posted to Lit. and every one of them was finished before I began posting them. It didn't hurt me a bit as a writer to wait until I have a fully realized story with no waving, incompleted threads or rambling "going nowhere verbage" in them before I posted them.

If a reader wants to dump on an author who strings them along as readers through multiple chapters and then just drops out on them, the reader has a justifiable "you wasted my time" beef.

 

[estragon]

Never said they didn't.

 

[sr71plt]

Sure you did. You posted this non sequitur:

I wish I could wait to finish a series before posting the first chapter. But time constraints, and my own failings as an author, prevent that

Neither of those "prevent" you from not posting until a series is finished. You have no time restraints, and you're going to have the same "own failings as an author" (to the extent there are any) no matter when you post the series segments. In fact you will have rather more failings as an author to post a half-baked, incomplete story.

There's absolutely nothing preventing you from holding off until the whole story hangs together before you post any of it and know you aren't leading readers down a dead alley.

 

[lovecraft68]

I understand the frustration of a reader having a series "dumped" especially if it went on for awhile.

I had a lot of e-mails during mine when I took a few weeks in between chapters once asking me if I were going to finish.

I found it good motivation, but still for the most part finished it for myself. I think it's a bit of a loop, the readers feel the authors owe them to finish, but the authors are not paid and with the small percentage of votes/comments why do we owe them anything.

I think authors who do not finish stories, more likely than not are the type that don't finish much in life, its an extension of a personality trait.

I've never not finished anything I've started (that's not to say I always finish well) But I finish. But I finish to not let myself down, not for anyone else.

 

[sr71plt]

When you post it to Literotica you have stopped doing it just for yourself. This isn't some sort of private storage file. You can use it that way, if you want, but if you've caused readers to waste their time and interest trying to follow what you've written but haven't fully delivered, they are fully justified, as did bassack, to slam you for it.

 

[ILienBagby]

more to say!!!!

I do appreciate the responses and thoughts so far. One thing that bothers me is that DanielQsteele pulled the first chapter less than a week after it was first posted, and, although he normally lets his readers know something about his publishing plans in forwards to his stories, this time there is no information at all. The story does not appear in the list of his published stories. Sad thing is, DQS is one of the very best story tellers on Literotica (not the only one for sure, but a very good story teller). Were he not a good writer who is able to grab a reader's attention, his sudden pulling of the story would not be a problem. This reader was engaged by the story and would like to know the whys and wherefores of the character's actions. Right now, I am just angry at an author who does not even allow his readers a chance to know what his plans are for further publishing....even he he told us that he was quitting the story, we would know that. As it is, not only do I not know what the author will do with his characters, I do not even know what he plans to do with is characters. This is both frustrating and hurtful. I find it hard to believe that a writer as good as DQS wants to hurt his readers!!!!!!!

 

[WILLAC]

Dqs1

It was stated to the intro of the missing story that it was, as I remember, in 5 parts and all were finished and would continue to be posted in sequence after moderator approval. I, like others, have looked forward to LIT continuing it. When I checked on it yesterday the title was still up but the story did not load just that it was "under review by moderator check back later". It looks like lit may have had a problem with the intro and his suggesting that If we wanted more of his When We Were Married series to email him... I guess they may have felt he was getting free advertising??? so they pulled it???The author is so gifted that if he wanted to give away one of his shorter works I would think they would allow it but ????? If so we all lose on this one!

 

[bassack]

You could also check the author's bio on their profile page, they might leave some information there, since they can't advertise or post links in the stories.

And as for whom the site serves -- whoever wants to use it. It's a free site and readers and writers have no obligations to anyone.

Agreed. My suggestion for barring unfinished work from being presented, while posted in support of ILB and response to lc68, was, in fact, directed at the site's administrators. Simply put, it's how I'd like to see it done to spare myself some self-imposed frustration. I'm just lobbying, not laying claim to moral superiority.

It does seem to me, given the pace of the dialogue here, that a nerve has been touched and this is a significant point for users of this site. The figurative cock teasing that we're discussing, like it's real-world counterpart, has both proponents and opponents. C'est la vie!

 

[maverick34]

DQS1 is now on SOL with the first chapter of "Secrets and Lies"

 

[nakdsub]

The first chapter?

We already read that. Now we're looking for, "the rest of the story." Obviously he is one of the very best around here, but if what someone said is true, that he published the first chapter only to get reaction and will now publish it to buy, that's dirty pool.

If that is the case, he has lost this reader.

 

[nakdsub]

I saw the story on SOL...

And he promisses at the end that chapters 3 and 4 are on there way. I'm wondering if he got some feedback that was so vile he decided to pull it form here.
I have thought of doing that myself at times.

 

[maverick34]

I think DQS had a dispute with the LIT moderators, pulled the story and reposted on SOL

 

[nakdsub]

That would make sense...

Especially if they rejected the next couple of chapters.

 

[brujay]

I believe the new series was entitled "Ghosts and Shadows." A portion of Part 1 has been published on SOL, maybe all of it but I don't have access to it since I am not registered on that website.