Mishandling Classfied Material

[Carnal_Flower]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Trumptards chant Lock Her Up for two years because of Hillary "mishandling classified intelligence?" I thought you all cared about that, being patriotic and such

Seems like a good opportunity for Bitter Boy to pounce on "partisan" hypocrisy. It's ok when my guy does it, not yours.

The current White House which is SO CONCERNED with our nation's TOP SECRETS is letting all kinds of people without security clearance see everything. Some of the President's closest aides--you know, like that radical Islamic Terrorist Huma Abedin--aren't supposed to be "handling" any intelligence, much less CLASSIFIED at the highest level. Yet there they are, reading the PDB on the Metro la la la

Oh WAIT! All that was a bunch of bullshit to dupe the Dumb Fucks into voting for an Idiot who is now really compromising National Security

 

[BZee]

who is?

tell us

Its OK,

We'll wait

 

[BotanyBoy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Trumptards chant Lock Her Up for two years because of Hillary "mishandling classified intelligence?" I thought you all cared about that, being patriotic and such

Seems like a good opportunity for Bitter Boy to pounce on "partisan" hypocrisy. It's ok when my guy does it, not yours.

Unlike you I never claimed it was ok when my party was doing it, locking up poor people for it and laughing all the way.

Oh WAIT! All that was a bunch of bullshit to dupe the Dumb Fucks into voting for an Idiot who is now really compromising National Security

His compromise was no less than what Clinton did.

Question is why is his compromise so offensive to you but not Clinton?

 

[richard_daily]

Unlike you I never claimed it was ok when my party was doing it, locking up poor people for it and laughing all the way.

Who's your party?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Who's your party?

It doesn't exist.

For the umpteenth time, I'm a liberal ideologue, not a D v. R partisan.

 

[HisArpy]

It doesn't exist.

For the umpteenth time, I'm a liberal ideologue, not a D v. R partisan.

IOW, he's likes sitting on the pointy parts of the fence.

 

[BotanyBoy]

IOW, he's likes sitting on the pointy parts of the fence.

He doesn't seem to have any idea what that means or understand the difference between an ideologue and a partisan.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It doesn't exist.

For the umpteenth time, I'm a liberal ideologue, not a D v. R partisan.

You're a Not-Republican, just like AJ.

 

[richard_daily]

You're a Not-Republican, just like AJ.

Exactly. He bumbled and called the Republicans "my party", but then backtracked when called out on it.

 

[phrodeau]

You're a Not-Republican, just like AJ.

Have those two ever disagreed on any issue at all?

 

[Que]

It doesn't exist.

For the umpteenth time, I'm a liberal ideologue, not a D v. R partisan.

They absolutely do not get that because they have no idea about the difference between policy positions and simple party politics.

Right now the only consistent goal for Republicans is to hang on to control of both houses and the only policy position for the Democrats is to try to upset one or both of those. It's entirely about power not principles.

Just look at the contortions both parties are going through right now the Democrats are the party of Big Brother, trust the government, we love the CIA, and McCarthyism ...The Republicans are the party of don't trust the man, the Russians are our friends, big government, and big spending.

Opposite day.

I can't decide whether to join the not Republican party as well or simply join the Eyer bring it all down party.

Republicans are absolutely Democrat lite, and by "lite" I mean like three or four calories less.

They simply pick a team to ride or die for. They demand you do as well and don't except neither as a perfectly viable choice.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You're a Not-Republican, just like AJ.

Another moron who thinks it's impossible for someone to hold ideals over a political party....just because he himself cannot.

Exactly. He bumbled and called the Republicans "my party", but then backtracked when called out on it.

I NEVER called the Republicans "my party" ....you're either being deliberately dishonest or you really are an illiterate moron.

 

[BotanyBoy]

They absolutely do not get that because they have no idea about the difference between policy positions and simple party politics.

Right now the only consistent goal for Republicans is to hang on to control of both houses and the only policy position for the Democrats is to try to upset one or both of those. It's entirely about power not principles.

Just look at the contortions both parties are going through right now the Democrats are the party of Big Brother, trust the government, we love the CIA, and McCarthyism ...The Republicans are the party of don't trust the man, the Russians are our friends, big government, and big spending.

Opposite day.

I can't decide whether to join the not Republican party as well or simply join the Eyer bring it all down party.

Republicans are absolutely Democrat lite, and by "lite" I mean like three or four calories less.

They simply pick a team to ride or die for. They demand you do as well and don't except neither as a perfectly viable choice.

Partisans are almost always of the "If you're not with me and my party, you MUST be a supporter of the other party!" and they get all fucking desperate to pin you with that shit whenever they realize you're the enemy.

Doesn't matter what nation, beliefs, background.....these people exist everywhere.

Us vs. Them is easy and oh so human.


I agree about both parties basically being the same.

They talk different shit but behave the same when in power, just like the fuckin' mafia.

I'm in the "I can't control it so fuck it, do whatever you want" category....USA wants shit government, well, it gets it.

 

[BobBalouski]

Many are called, few are chosen - indeed.

Actual American patriotism is a natural occupation only for a very small minority. A full-time disciple to the American revolutionary political principle that individual liberty is the only politic worth living and dying for, is among an even rarer .01%.

The fact is that the average man's love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty — and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.

- H.L. Mencken

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!

- Samuel Adams

When America's first patriots concluded their government was a lost cause TOO, they immediately did two PHYSICALLY UNOFFENSIVE things: they refused to remit taxes their government legislatively/legally enacted they owed, and they stopped buying/using the only goods/foodstuffs their government legislatively/legally enacted they could buy/use...

Guess what happened next?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Have those two ever disagreed on any issue at all?

Not to my knowledge. Both of them embrace the Republican platform heart and soul, while claiming to not be officially associated with the Republicans to avoid criticism.

It's disingenuous.

They're both ivory tower ideologues, AJ has his Von Mises herpaderp to cling to , and MoochieMcMigrane is even worse: if you examine his positions, he'll tell you that anything less than 100% successful is by definition a failure. Obamacare doesn't do EXACTLY what it should? That's a failure.

Neither of them have any respect for the American tradition of compromise solution, they are all-or-nothing anarchists or totalitarians based on the issue at hand. They are fundamentally incapable of admitting shades of grey, everything is always black or white in their world.

 

[BobBalouski]

Socialists/progressives/Dems and RINOs/conservatives/Reps - as they self-validate endlessly - are nothing but different statist piece of shit labels of the very same statist piece of shit bottle.

Statism is a direct enemy - both foreign and domestic - to the Constitution's mandated "Republican Form of Government" and to the Declaration's decree of the unalienable right to life for all.

No more true can these statist enemies prove themselves to natural individual liberty than SHARING the command that thousands of completely innocent and defenseless little American human lives can freely - with full statist government sanction - be intentionally and tortuously killed, simply for the murdering statists' convenience.

50-60 MILLION American lives intentionally and tortuously killed over the last 45 years justifiably ranks this enemy to mankind right up there with their brethren Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

 

[Que]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Trumptards chant Lock Her Up for two years because of Hillary "mishandling classified intelligence?" I thought you all cared about that, being patriotic and such

Seems like a good opportunity for Bitter Boy to pounce on "partisan" hypocrisy. It's ok when my guy does it, not yours.

The current White House which is SO CONCERNED with our nation's TOP SECRETS is letting all kinds of people without security clearance see everything. Some of the President's closest aides--you know, like that radical Islamic Terrorist Huma Abedin--aren't supposed to be "handling" any intelligence, much less CLASSIFIED at the highest level. Yet there they are, reading the PDB on the Metro la la la

Oh WAIT! All that was a bunch of bullshit to dupe the Dumb Fucks into voting for an Idiot who is now really compromising National Security

Sounds like some more whataboutism.

 

[Que]

Not to my knowledge. Both of them embrace the Republican platform heart and soul, while claiming to not be officially associated with the Republicans to avoid criticism.

It's disingenuous.

They're both ivory tower ideologues, AJ has his Von Mises herpaderp to cling to , and MoochieMcMigrane is even worse: if you examine his positions, he'll tell you that anything less than 100% successful is by definition a failure. Obamacare doesn't do EXACTLY what it should? That's a failure.

Neither of them have any respect for the American tradition of compromise solution, they are all-or-nothing anarchists or totalitarians based on the issue at hand. They are fundamentally incapable of admitting shades of grey, everything is always black or white in their world.

The only thing that Obamacare did that we was purported to do was hand out a boatload of federal money in the form of temporary Medicaid assistance. You could do that without the ACA.

Doing none of the things that it was allegedly designed to be created to do is not simply less-than-perfect it's what is known as an abject failure. Own It. Own your shame.

 

[mark_j]

Not to my knowledge. Both of them embrace the Republican platform heart and soul, while claiming to not be officially associated with the Republicans to avoid criticism.

It's disingenuous.

They're both ivory tower ideologues, AJ has his Von Mises herpaderp to cling to , and MoochieMcMigrane is even worse: if you examine his positions, he'll tell you that anything less than 100% successful is by definition a failure. Obamacare doesn't do EXACTLY what it should? That's a failure.

Neither of them have any respect for the American tradition of compromise solution, they are all-or-nothing anarchists or totalitarians based on the issue at hand. They are fundamentally incapable of admitting shades of grey, everything is always black or white in their world.

Much like the positions you have held over the last 10 years or so. You don't get to take the moral high ground 'cause you have done the same damn thing.

 

[Dribble]

Oh look at that...Donald's Chief of Staff for Veteran's Affairs altered emails and lied to a department ethics committee so his wife's trip was paid for by taxpayer money. He also illegally accepted Wimbledon tickets. The VA Inspector General states "Your staff's conduct related to this investigation reeks of an agenda," and "Your portrayal of this trip is overall and entirely inaccurate."

DRAIN THE SWAMP DRAIN THE SWAMP....(except for our guys)

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Only person to actually address the issue of the Trumptards hypocrisy regarding "Corrupt" Hillary

Oh look at that...Donald's Chief of Staff for Veteran's Affairs altered emails and lied to a department ethics committee so his wife's trip was paid for by taxpayer money. He also illegally accepted Wimbledon tickets. The VA Inspector General states "Your staff's conduct related to this investigation reeks of an agenda," and "Your portrayal of this trip is overall and entirely inaccurate."

DRAIN THE SWAMP DRAIN THE SWAMP....(except for our guys)

 

[someoneyouknow]

Doing none of the things that it was allegedly designed to be created to do is not simply less-than-perfect it's what is known as an abject failure. Own It. Own your shame.

Had Republican Mitt Romney not gone ahead and forced mandatory insurance on people, Obamneycare would never have passed. As it was, Obama could point to Massachusetts and say, "See, it's so good even Republicans are doing it."

Also, it wasn't Obama's idea. He literally took the Heritage Foundation's plan word for word and implemented it:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

And the original document from the Heritage Foundation which explicitly states people should be forced to hand over their money to private industry whether they want to or not:

http://americablog.com/2013/10/original-1989-document-heritage-foundation-created-obamacares-individual-mandate.html

Not only that, Republican Newt Gingrich endorsed requiring people to hand over their money for insurance, including government-funded vouchers as part of the process:

https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426/

In other words, Republicans got exactly what they asked for and are pissed.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Right. Noted for the next time you protest that you call out Rs as much as you call out Ds, because you are so pure and above partisanship

Getting you to call out R hypocrisy is like getting Trump to call out Neo-Nazis and wife beaters and Vladimir Putin. You may do it once in a while, but your heart's not in it.

The issue here is not me. The issue here is the Trumptard reaction to the Rob Porter scandal. Stay on topic

Unlike you I never claimed it was ok when my party was doing it, locking up poor people for it and laughing all the way.

His compromise was no less than what Clinton did.

Question is why is his compromise so offensive to you but not Clinton?

 

[Que]

Had Republican Mitt Romney not gone ahead and forced mandatory insurance on people, Obamneycare would never have passed. As it was, Obama could point to Massachusetts and say, "See, it's so good even Republicans are doing it."

Also, it wasn't Obama's idea. He literally took the Heritage Foundation's plan word for word and implemented it:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/apr/01/barack-obama/obama-says-heritage-foundation-source-health-excha/

And the original document from the Heritage Foundation which explicitly states people should be forced to hand over their money to private industry whether they want to or not:

http://americablog.com/2013/10/original-1989-document-heritage-foundation-created-obamacares-individual-mandate.html

Not only that, Republican Newt Gingrich endorsed requiring people to hand over their money for insurance, including government-funded vouchers as part of the process:

https://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426/

In other words, Republicans got exactly what they asked for and are pissed.

Oh wow! So those thousands and thousands of pages of giveaways to insurance companies was all a big Republican plot? I had no idea. How they kept that secret?

Looks it up....

Hmmmm

It seems that the Romney scheme was hatched in order to be able to scam more dollars from the federal coffers for his State's Medicaid plan . Who is the United States going to be able to Scam the money from to fund the ACA?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

How so?

We know for a fact unauthorized personnel in the WH have been and are still handling the PDB--which contains the most sensitive, Top Secret, raw intelligence its possible for the President himself to see.

In HIllary's Case, we have an unsecured server that may have processed Classified "E-mails" (Not raw intelligence, not PDBs), but no proof whatsoever that it ever got into the hands of anyone it wasn't supposed to.

So how is his Compromise "the same?"

That's leaving aside, for the moment, all the other proven breaches of security, like conducting National Security decisions via SmartPhone in Maralago and giving away sources and methods directly to the Russians in the Oval Office.

What I think of it is irrelevant: the issue is all the patriotic Dumb Fucks foaming at the mouth about Hillary, but not Trump

His compromise was no less than what Clinton did.

Question is why is his compromise so offensive to you but not Clinton?