Minority childrens football. (political that is)

[Ishmael]

So Ish, does the paper you cite list other examples of cases where minority students are classified as learning disabled when there's little in the way of supportable evidence other than ESL?

I read above comments about California. I believe (don't have referenced facts) that it was shown that new immigrants do much better when they're through in total immersion (kids learn language quickly) rather than being in ESL classes....so the immigrant families actually preferred that classes be taught in English.

The study was restricted to Arizona shools and latino children were the focus minority group listed in this study. However, blacks were included in the full study and showed similar results.

Questions were raised about the necessity of doing similar studies in other states.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Please show the quote where I refer to latino "parenting skills" or shut the fuck up.

Ishmael

OK, that would be this:

You're right about the latino attitude towards education. The majority of the parents don't care because their parents didn't nor their parents before them. It's endemic to the culture. More specifically those latinos of indian descent, which is the overwhelming majority of US latinos. Those of European descent place much more value on education.

I believe you were responding to DCL's comment:

The Mexican and Hispanic kids in my kid's school (and that's about half the school) have a much, much lower experience of parental involvement, not just in PTA type stuff, but in helping kids with homework. The prevailing Latin attitude is "my kid's in school and the teachers will take care of all that". Language is also a problem -- many parents don't speak English, and can't help if they wanted to.

Neither of you are right in labelling this attitude as Latino, and it is all too common in many cultures.

Now let's suppose you're the parent of a preschool disabled child, and you live in a state where the local school programs aren't as effective as they are in a neighboring state. So you move to the other state in the interest of your child, like a good parent. Eventually, a report gets published proving a high percentage of out-of-state schoolchildren are disabled. Astonishing!

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

I'm guessing it's harder for those 1st graders who've spoken mainly spanish at home for the first 6 years of life to "Buckle Down" and study enough on their own to speed up their understanding of English.

At that age they cxatch up quick. One of the things we learned with the head start program is that it does give a head start to kids, but that head start is erased by the second grade or so.

Just turn off the Spanish Language TV and put them in front of the real thing for a month and they'll do just find.

They might even discover they're really gay!

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

Here's something else to put in your pipe and smoke...

I don't think there's a problem in white Hispanic homes. All the Mexicans I've ever met of European descent were better educated for the most part than I was (at least until I went to college at a somewhat advanced age).

It's the brown Mexicans that are uneducated in Mexico too. They simply don't want to educate them, they want them to move north. The money they send home is Mexico's single greatest source of revenue.

And if we do educate the little beggers, who will pick the fruit and clean our homes cheaply?

The next wave of illegal immigrants?

If they won't learn.

Fawk 'em!

Right Rex ?

Mickey D's is always hiring and they have those pictures on the cash register...

 

[Ishmael]

OK, that would be this:
I believe you were responding to DCL's comment:
Neither of you are right in labelling this attitude as Latino, and it is all too common in many cultures.

Now please explain how that was a comment regarding "parenting skills".

However you're right. Many cultures minimize the importance of education or take an "it's not my job" attitude. Sad really, but hardly a comment on "parenting skills".

Now let's suppose you're the parent of a preschool disabled child, and you live in a state where the local school programs aren't as effective as they are in a neighboring state. So you move to the other state in the interest of your child, like a good parent. Eventually, a report gets published proving a high percentage of out-of-state schoolchildren are disabled. Astonishing!

The study showed large differences between schools within a single state. The study neither implied, nor showed that there was a state wide policy of over assignment of minority children to "learning disabled" status, What the study did show was marked differences from district to district. And that there was a distinct pattern to these 'disability' assignments.

The issue is NOT whether these children are learning deficient or not. The English language was found to be a limiting factor for the latino children and the study acknowledges this. The issue is whether this factor that can be cured with remedial English immersion classes is a cause to lable a student "learning disabled"

Ishmael

 

[Ishmael]

At that age they cxatch up quick. One of the things we learned with the head start program is that it does give a head start to kids, but that head start is erased by the second grade or so.

Just turn off the Spanish Language TV and put them in front of the real thing for a month and they'll do just find.

They might even discover they're really gay!

Yup, my middle brother didn't speak English until just before he started school. Oh, we could communicate with him, but his language facility was primarily Spanish. Within a year of starting school he was English centric and by the time he took Spanish in high school he couldn't speak Spanish at all.

Ishmael

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

Que?

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

I was in Spanish class with the daughter of a Cuban doctor who was secretly taking the course so she could understand what they were saying when they switched languages!

Yo Huro ala Bandera De Los Estados Unidos!

 

[Ishmael]

I was in Spanish class with the daughter of a Cuban doctor who was secretly taking the course so she could understand what they were saying when they switched languages!

Yo Huro ala Bandera De Los Estados Unidos!

LOL, that's funny. I was in Miami for years. The first generation Cuban's spoke no English. The second spoke accented English and Spanish. Bi-lingual. By the third generation the only spanish they spoke were the curse words. LMAO The Cuban's, as a culture, put a high premium on education.

Ishmael

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

I like the Cubans that I know. But they tend to be doctors and professors and sitch...

 

[Saint Peter]

In the good old days, when a family moved to the US, the people settled down here for the long haul. It was not a way to send cash back "home" and make a quick getaway when the money dried up.

Many of our neighbors from down south have no social investment here. Why learn the language? Why push for higher education standards? Just learn the system well enough to get as much out of it as you can.

¿usted tiene gusto al tamaño estupendo que comida feliz?

 

[Fawkin'Injun]

Good post. Spot on!

And some want these people to have the right to vote too!