Minimum wage revisited.

[warrior queen]

The underclass is well-represented on the GB, so here's a tip for the Pink's , WQ's and others with limited marketable skills.

Arts & Crafts.

As mechanization replaces the jobs previously held by the underclass, there will be an increasing market for hand-crafted items.

Learn how to make something you can sell. Jam. Pickles. Folk Art, etc.

Or get yourself a wood lathe....MLB bats for example, are made by hand, and cost well over $1,000 each.

you're welcome

Shows just how little you know about me that you'd put my name in this post
I am neither unemployed nor unskilled.

 

[Dream59]

The more liberal among us equate minimum wage to permanent wage. That is not the case. Minimum wage is paid to an unskilled worker that has no experience at the job for which they are hired. They should learn the job and therefore become more valuable to the employer. Then they get raises or are able to then seek employment as an experienced worker that is worth more than minimum wage.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

The Usual Suspects™ are whining about that darn minimum wage again.

They're more pathetic than usual today.

 

[Sean Renaud]

My .02 cents on this, fast food should be an entry level job into the work force, I am not saying there is anything wrong with the work. I just feel that America should have a bigger manufacturing base to provide more jobs.

A large manufacturing base in America is a thing of the past and it won't be long before it's globally a thing of the past. Anything, anything at all, that can be broken into steps can be done faster and cheaper by a machine. That's just the reality of the situation. Currently we "mostly" use machines to create large items but as Ishmael pointed out there is nothing in the world preventing us from replacing people with burger flipping machines and kiosks. Amazon has been looking into delivery by drone, 3d Printers may soon take the place of a lot of our cheap crap. After all why should I go to the store to by my kids a Ninja Turtle when I can whip one up at home?

Brick and Mortar Stores for a lot of things are on the way out. Music and movies (are there even stores left that specialize in those things? The last one near me closed about two years ago) are already pretty much gone and books and video games are on the way out. I suspect most people reading this will live to see the near end of malls. After all aside from meat and produce what do you buy that you really need to be there in person for?

maybe we can raise the min. wage to $25 per hour. Sweden didn't get the votes so perhaps we can be the highest in the world.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/18/us-swiss-vote-idUSBREA4H03E20140518

$25 dollars seems a bit extreme but I would be proud to live in the country with the highest minimum wage in the world. It should go hand in hand with having a majority of the richest people on the planet. Isn't that the essence of Trickle Down Economics and a rising tide raises all ships? Isn't the existence of one without the other a pretty big nail in the coffin there?

Necessity is the mother of invention. When the cost of labor becomes too high, alternatives are invented and employed in its stead. The minimum wage was designed to be an entry level wage, low enough to enable the hiring of people with little skill, to give them a foothold in the business from which to train, improve their skills, and move up to higher paying positions. It was "never" intended to be a living wage. Isn't it ironic the ignorant left demands a minimum wage rate that will hold those entry level jobs at historical minimums, or put into motion technologies that wipe them out altogether?

keep voting Democrat folks and watch them bring down the American economy and the opportunity it once represented.

The cost of labor is always going to be too high and has always been to high. Minimum wage was not designed to be for an entry level. It was designed , the Fair Labor and Standards Act essentially to rein in business men who were taking advantage of their superior negotiating position. Prior to that there was no minimum wage, no maximum work week, child labor was allowed and lots of things we'd consider work today. Nothing about this hiring people with little skill to give them a foothold or anything else is mentioned. It has gradually become that because we have allowed it to become that not because it was originally designed that way.

Technologies that will wipe out these "footholds" will happen regardless and more importantly they should. Why the fuck do I want some sixteen year old who should be in college flipping burgers when a machine can do it just fine? Why should I give up my tablet so an otherwise unskilled woman can deliver newspapers? Should I give up Netflix because I wish my cousin still had his job as the regional head of Hollywood Video? NO! I should be praising the progress we're making.

We might very well ruin the economy but not because we want what's ours.

The more liberal among us equate minimum wage to permanent wage. That is not the case. Minimum wage is paid to an unskilled worker that has no experience at the job for which they are hired. They should learn the job and therefore become more valuable to the employer. Then they get raises or are able to then seek employment as an experienced worker that is worth more than minimum wage.

The minimum wage effects all the wages above it. It sets the "standard" so to speak. More to the point they should make enough to live. It's crazy we're having this conversation.

As was already pointed out though all this is going to do is hasten the day to which we have a garunteed income, Ish is correct. We don't have to do it. You just have to pray that the downtrodden will politely lie down and die instead of burning the country down around your head if you don't. Americans are fairly docile though all things said and done.

 

[Que]

No exactly backwards...$25 an hour "minimum wage' is not supply side economics.

It is based on the consumerist idea that if we pay the least skilled amongst us more than their work contributes to their employers profitability, they will have more money to spend and we will all get rich selling things to burger-flippers.

It is trickle-up economics and it doesn't work for self-evident reasons. You cannot inflate your way to prosperity anymore than you can tax, launder through a bureaucracy and re-distribute your way to prosperity.

High taxes and high wages are not a route to become the most prosperous society. It is a route that guarantees that you will live in a society where everything you buy will be built elsewhere.

 

[Sean Renaud]

They will have more money to spend, nobody has ever claimed we'd all get "rich" selling burgers.

Trickle Up economics does work and for self evident reasons. When your poor do well, your rich do better. That's just the simple unavoidable reality of the situation, the rich doing well however does not by definition benefit the peasants. It should but it doesn't.

High taxes are a separate issue and should be addressed as such. High wages would fairly be a separate(ish) issue, this is about the lowest paid being able to survive, sans assistance.

Everything will be build elsewhere for the foreseeable future and why not? Conservatives have a strange obsession with things being done here.

 

[colddiesel]

Germany has no minimum wage but they have the best apprentice training systems bar none, thus the trained workers are worth more than any minima.

Their government sets the standards, provides educational support and insists employers must train staff to rigorous standards. But if workers are not interesed in improving themselves they're on their own.

Seems to work for them.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Germany has no minimum wage but they have the best apprentice training systems bar none, thus the trained workers are worth more than any minima.

Their government sets the standards, provides educational support and insists employers must train staff to rigorous standards. But if workers are not interesed in improving themselves they're on their own.

Seems to work for them.

I'm intensely curious what they apprentice in.