Mind Control

[Whispersecret]

I was just wondering if you all think that the allure of mind control stories can only be appreciated by the male of the species. Are there women who get off on the though of controlling a male's mind?

And no, I'm not talking about making him pick up his dirty socks. I'm talking about creating an unknowing sex slave.

 

[damppanties]

double post

 

[damppanties]

OK, confession time: I liked Mind Control. At one time I was even addicted to it. I particularly liked the hypnosis stories (some good ones by MasterHypnostist) as opposed to the ones where there is an object which is used to control. But, over time this interest waned. Now I don't go there anymore.

originally posted by Whispersecret:
Are there women who get off on the though of controlling a male's mind?

I didn't see any story there which had a female controlling a male.

To answer the question - no, I personally don't (get off on the thought of controlling a male's mind).

 

[karmadog]

I'm male, and I don't get the thrill of it.

 

[Weird Harold]

I was just wondering if you all think that the allure of mind control stories can only be appreciated by the male of the species. Are there women who get off on the though of controlling a male's mind?

And no, I'm not talking about making him pick up his dirty socks. I'm talking about creating an unknowing sex slave.

At the Erotic Mind Controls Archives: http://www.asstr.org/~mcstories/index.html there are a lot of stories that are categorized FD for female dominant where the mind-controller is female -- at a rough guess, about 25% of the total archive.

That would seem to indicate that there is some market for female mind-controller stories.

 

[Chicklet]

i'm gonna be obnoxious

men have minds??

but seriously, i don't get off on the idea of controlling a male's mind, but I bet if we wrote one, we'd get all sorts of responses from guys that were excited beyond belief by the idea.

Chicklet

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Controlling men's mind and making them sex slaves... over here, in Sweden, we call it "relationships". If you can also make him piuck up his dirty socks, it's called "marriage".

 

[BigTexan]

WhisperSecret, you know I adore you, but this is one of the most sexist threads I've seen on Lit. Thanks to Chicklet and Svenskaflicka pushing it from just being a stereotyped obnoxiousness to full fledged sexism. Why is it that in todays world, when Male to Female sexism is so widely, and rightfully, known to be wrong, do so many consider it "funny" to be sexist against men? Yes, yes, I know, "Male Bashing" is in vogue, but I, for one, am tired of it.

Would you, Svenskaflicka, be amused if I said you were stupid because you are a beautiful blonde? I know you're not stupid and I think you would be offended by the stereotype.

But on to the question:

I, myself, do not in any way shape or form find "Mind Control" to be arousing. To me, forcing someone else to have sex with you, through rape or mind control, or just through badgering is abhorrent and sickening. And I have oh so much trouble maintaining an erection while vomiting. However I know a woman whose darkest fantasies dwell on just that subject. She loves the idea of perfume that can make any man fall desperately in love with her. I think she got the idea from a movie, but I'm not sure of the title of it.

Reality is that most of the men I know simply hate the smell of most perfumes and just wish that women wouldn't wear nearly so much.

Okay, well I've rambled and digressed to the point of being incoherent so I'll shut up now.

BigTexan

 

[jon.hayworth]

Mind Control with the female controlling the man.

YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO ADAM in IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT chapter 4 in 2 weeks time.

For now I am saying no more - just wait.

And yes Chicklet men do have minds - it's where they are located that puzzles women

jon

 

[BigTexan]

Okay, I'm sorry. I went off the handle and this thread was only a small part of the reason.

I appologize to WhisperSecret, Chicklet and Svenskaflicka. I know I took this WAY more serious than you meant it.

BigTexan

 

[TheEarl]

I like Mind Control stories (and have written several), but I always thought they were more male stories, so I haven't written one with the female in charge. Hmm, that gives me an idea...

The Earl

 

[Quasimodem]

... If you can also make him piuck up his dirty socks, it's called "marriage".

Unless that is a typo - and you meant to type 'pluck' - it appears that you have some disgustingly kinky relationships in Sweden.

Otherwise, it is merely the normal hausfrau manipulationship.

 

[green_rook]

As Weird Harold mentioned, many stories can be found at the MC archive that are femdom and written by women. Indeed, some of the best writers in the archive are women.

Perhaps MC fiction is comparable to slash fiction. Slash typically has the connotation that it is written by and for women, but that doesn't mean there are not men out there who write and enjoy slash. The same is true with MC fiction.

What's always struck me as odd was how BDSM stories don't have the same stigma as MC stories when they have such similar ethos. I'd've assumed that the powerplay dynamic inherent to MC would be just as interesting as that in BDSM, especially when motives and willing participants are factored into the mix.

 

[Just_John1]

Love potion #9

Big tex, The movie you were referring to was love potion #9. I can't remember the actress' name but she also starred in the speed series. The movie, however centers around a potion that you spray into your mouth and instead of smell being the sense that conveys arousal it is when they talk. The movie shows it from both the male perspective and the female perspective.

I wrote a series involving mind control, or at least mental telepathy. Although in real life I find non-consentual sex to be abhorrent, the stories were couched in the vain that you couldn't arouse someone not already thinking about sex. It didn't involve real, touching sex between anybody other than the two main characters.

The stories were written only in fantasy, not intended to espouse non-consentual sex. I was intrigued by the thought that alot of people think about sex regularly, (for me its about every 15 seconds on average... sorry can't help it, may have something to do with frustration) and although I know men think about it alot, I was intrigued in a fantasy where women thought about sex alot too, and we, as the reader, could see it. I guess your comment hit a nerve and I felt the need to justify the concepts behind the only mind control stories I've ever written. You made me think about it and I appreciate that.

JJ1

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Unless that is a typo - and you meant to type 'pluck' - it appears that you have some disgustingly kinky relationships in Sweden.

Otherwise, it is merely the normal hausfrau manipulationship.

*chuckles* Actually, my finger slid on the keyboard. It's supposed to say "pick".

And Texan, yeah, I was joking, and even though it's meant to be funny and take the edge off this whole topic, in a way you're right. Just because men have been oppressing women in the past, is no reason why we should do the same thing back now. Two wrongs don't make a right. I apologize to all the men and women for my funny but a little inappropriate words. There. Feel better?

As for my intelligence - just because I'm stupid, don't think that I'm a blonde!

 

[BigTexan]

There. Feel better?

Actually Svenskaflicka, I feel absolutely horrible. A bad situation offline made me angry and I allowed that to show through online. Your comments certainly were not vile enough to warrent mine. This whole thread would have been better if I'd just kept my damn mouth shut!

BigTexan

 

[Whispersecret]

Big Tex, there's no harm done! Don't worry about it. Besides, the IMPORTANT thing about your post, which people failed to realize was that you adore me! LOL.

Seriously, I hate male bashing too. But really, there’s a great deal of gray between male bashing and harmless teasing, which I hope was all I was doing. I have two boys and, believe me, I’m sensitive to the reverse sexist, emasculating GIRLS RULE, BOYS DROOL mentality. But don’t get me started.

What's always struck me as odd was how BDSM stories don't have the same stigma as MC stories when they have such similar ethos. I'd've assumed that the powerplay dynamic inherent to MC would be just as interesting as that in BDSM, especially when motives and willing participants are factored into the mix.


I think that that would be the only situation where the appeal would be similar - if the element of consent exists in the story. In BDSM, the sub has to consent to the domination. In Mind Control, many times there isn’t any consent. I think that sometimes the “victim” knows what he/she is getting into, but usually, the controller springs it on them unwittingly.

See, I think more women get off on the fact that the man is unable to resist her appeal, and if she has to “force” it, then what’s the point? But, that’s just a theory.

Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with Mind Control stories. Hell, I my first tale was non-consent, so I can’t throw stones. I was just wondering if that CONTROL issue turned on mostly men. Perhaps, since dp was nice enough to confess, women read M.C. stories for the same reason they read non-consent stories…so they can be overpowered…?

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I firmly believe that men are worth as much as women.

 

[green_rook]

I think that that would be the only situation where the appeal would be similar - if the element of consent exists in the story.

I disagree. While the idea of consent comes into play to a certain extent, the appeal is in the exchange of power (the question of whether it is given or taken is an entirely seperate issue), and, however different the issue is handled in the two genres, it is the exploration of the dynamic of the power that is interesting and appealing.

In BDSM, the sub has to consent to the domination.

True in the real world, yes, but not a requirment in fiction.

See, I think more women get off on the fact that the man is unable to resist her appeal, and if she has to “force” it, then what’s the point?

One must question, though, to what extent a woman's irresitable appeal in "forcing" the man to react to her. Make-up, sexy clothing, come-hither looks across a room, holding up a sign that says "me love you long time," all are ways in which a woman is able to enforce her desire on the man she wants to turn on; what's the appreciable difference between something subtle like that and a little mind control? Or even the difference from tying a man up and playing with his cock until he agrees to something?

I was just wondering if that CONTROL issue turned on mostly men. Perhaps, since dp was nice enough to confess, women read M.C. stories for the same reason they read non-consent stories…so they can be overpowered…?

Which would ignore the issue of the amount of femdom pieces of MC fiction out there.

I think it's very appealing to be able to simplify things and say that men like to dominate and women like to be dominated, and that they enjoy reading/writing stories that show this. Unfortunately sexuality -- especially sexuality when it relates to fantasy -- is a little more complex than that, and generalizations usually miss the point entirely.

 

[Weird Harold]

See, I think more women get off on the fact that the man is unable to resist her appeal, and if she has to “force” it, then what’s the point? But, that’s just a theory.

I think there is an element of "worship me like the Goddess I am" to Female mind-control stories that isn't there in the male mind-controller stories.

Male mind-controllers tend to be more power-mad than the females, programming their victims to absolute subservience. The females seem to lean more to the kind of of "wrap him around my finger" kind of control they see other women have just because of their looks and sex appeal.

 

[Quasimodem]

Originally posted by Svenskaflicka
I firmly believe that men are worth as much as women.

I believe that pornography is the only endeavour where women consistently make more money than the men.

 

[Whispersecret]

I disagree. While the idea of consent comes into play to a certain extent, the appeal is in the exchange of power (the question of whether it is given or taken is an entirely seperate issue), and, however different the issue is handled in the two genres, it is the exploration of the dynamic of the power that is interesting and appealing.

Green_rook, yes, of course, you're right. I had my blinders on.

One must question, though, to what extent a woman's irresitable appeal in "forcing" the man to react to her. Make-up, sexy clothing, come-hither looks across a room, holding up a sign that says "me love you long time," all are ways in which a woman is able to enforce her desire on the man she wants to turn on; what's the appreciable difference between something subtle like that and a little mind control? Or even the difference from tying a man up and playing with his cock until he agrees to something?

That's not enforcement. Not like complete mind control is. That's enticement. The man can choose not to act. In a mind control story, aren't the victims deprived of free will?

I think it's very appealing to be able to simplify things and say that men like to dominate and women like to be dominated, and that they enjoy reading/writing stories that show this. Unfortunately sexuality -- especially sexuality when it relates to fantasy -- is a little more complex than that, and generalizations usually miss the point entirely.

Yes, I admit I was simplifying things. Obviously generalizations will never apply to everyone. I'm gratified to find out that the mind control genre is more diverse than I'd thought it was.

I think there is an element of "worship me like the Goddess I am" to Female mind-control stories that isn't there in the male mind-controller stories.

Male mind-controllers tend to be more power-mad than the females, programming their victims to absolute subservience. The females seem to lean more to the kind of of "wrap him around my finger" kind of control they see other women have just because of their looks and sex appeal.

What Weird Harold said above is what I was trying to get across, but failed to. LOL. You're so succinct, WH. I love that about you.

 

[TheEarl]

Male mind-controllers tend to be more power-mad than the females, programming their victims to absolute subservience. The females seem to lean more to the kind of of "wrap him around my finger" kind of control they see other women have just because of their looks and sex appeal.

That's really quite concise WH and has just given me an idea...

How come you can always say what you mean (and frequently what other people mean as well)?

The Earl

 

[Chicklet]

Texan,

I happen to agree with you about the sexism, and I accept your apology anyways.

Also I want to add that there is a huge difference in the amount of F/m Bdsm and Nonconsent's where the men are on top as opposed to bottom - there just seems to be more of an audience for it that way, even though I believe I read somewhere that most of the scene consists of submissive men..

Oh well = )

Chicklet

 

[Guest]

Interesting subject........

Back in my college days I actually attended a class on hypnosis as part of a study. Given assignments and things to do while under hypnosis, we were also asked to provide a list of things we'd like to experience or try to accomplish. My wife was given a series of so-called "program" words to invoke (which I had no idea what they were).

One of the things I wanted for them to do was to give my wife a specific secret code word that would invoke arousal in me the moment she spoke it.

Ok...I'm aroused half the time anyway...but sadly, the "word" never did seem to trigger a response. Then again, maybe she used it after I'd been aroused...who knows.

I remain,