Miers Withdraws

[elsol]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837151/

In all seriousness, that pretty much sucks.

IMO: Bushie and co will now put up a dyed-in-the-wool conservative...

Considering the low ratings, he's getting he needs to get his core constituency on his side again.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Guest]

I suspect this is going to be a bad week for the President.

'You reap what you sow."

 

[Colleen Thomas]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9837151/

In all seriousness, that pretty much sucks.

IMO: Bushie and co will now put up a dyed-in-the-wool conservative...

Considering the low ratings, he's getting he needs to get his core constituency on his side again.

Sincerely,
ElSol

A very strong president can nominate someone who has questionable qualifications. In my opinion, he simply overestimated the strength of his position.

I don't suspect being thwarted will make him moderate. He seems to have a vindictive streak. So he may well go about face and pick the most ultra conservative he can find. I still think First and some of the other GOP top men want to push for the nuclear option. All they need is an excuse.

 

[eric shawn listo]

A very strong president can nominate someone who has questionable qualifications. In my opinion, he simply overestimated the strength of his position.

I don't suspect being thwarted will make him moderate. He seems to have a vindictive streak. So he may well go about face and pick the most ultra conservative he can find. I still think First and some of the other GOP top men want to push for the nuclear option. All they need is an excuse.

Exactly what CNN is predicting right now, Colly.

 

[Guest]

I don't suspect being thwarted will make him moderate. He seems to have a vindictive streak. So he may well go about face and pick the most ultra conservative he can find. I still think First and some of the other GOP top men want to push for the nuclear option. All they need is an excuse.

The pending indictments, Delays indictment, Frists problems...are probably making many Repubican Congressman very, very nervous about 2006. It is only a year away, a heartbeat in politics.

They may start distancing themselves from Bush, the leadership and the Conservative extreme of the party.

 

[elsol]

The pending indictments, Delays indictment, Frists problems...are probably making many Repubican Congressman very, very nervous about 2006. It is only a year away, a heartbeat in politics.

They may start distancing themselves from Bush, the leadership and the Conservative extreme of the party.

Or they may head MORE into the conservative extreme as those are people MORE likely to vote for them than a moderate.

Distancing from Bush... already begun.
Leadership... somewhat.

Dropping the conservative extreme... ain't going to happen, you dance with the girl that blows you.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Colleen Thomas]

The pending indictments, Delays indictment, Frists problems...are probably making many Repubican Congressman very, very nervous about 2006. It is only a year away, a heartbeat in politics.

They may start distancing themselves from Bush, the leadership and the Conservative extreme of the party.

I may be extremly jaded and cynical, but my impression of politicians is that, for all their crookedness, they are the wrolds most pragmatic people. They are not there, because they represent their consituency well, they are there because they have identified what section of the voters in their constituency makes up the majority and on what issues they can take 'stands" to appease that majority sector.

Of course you will distance yourself from Bush, he's on his way out. He's going to reap the bad press for all his administration's screw ups, both real and imagined. No ned for you to take that fall with him, even if you supported every move.

But the people whomake up the majority intheir district haven't changed. And their politics haven't either. this country is no les polarized than it was 4 years ago. And the extrem conservative stance got you there. that hasn't changed in more than a few districts wehre the margin of victory was very close.

 

[thebullet]

It looks like Roe v. Wade and such things as people's right to privacy and seperation of church and state are in serious danger. Bush is in a position to taint the Supreme Court for a generation. I am quite ambivilent about Meir's withdrawal.

Better the devil you (kinda) know.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Absolutely agree with you, Colly!

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Aw, shit. Now we're going to get a man who will be so much less likely to turn turncoat on things like Roe v Wade.

Bloody hell.

 

[elsol]

Aw, shit. Now we're going to get a man who will be so much less likely to turn turncoat on things like Roe v Wade.

Bloody hell.

Yes...

I believe we're about to violate the don't replace X with anything higher than X...

minority female < female < minority male < male

I think they're going to shoot for a man now.

Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[Subo97]

W

The biggest lame duck in my lifetime

 

[mack_the_knife]

The pending indictments, Delays indictment, Frists problems...are probably making many Repubican Congressman very, very nervous about 2006. It is only a year away, a heartbeat in politics.

They may start distancing themselves from Bush, the leadership and the Conservative extreme of the party.

Actually a full year is an eternity in politics today with the 24 hour news cycle. We'll have utterly forgotten the indictments of one or two appointed aides long ago by then (likely they won't be convicted and have new jobs by then - remember indictment is not conviction). Hell, Clinton had a dude 'suicide' to avoid investigation and it got brushed away by election time.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Aw, shit. Now we're going to get a man who will be so much less likely to turn turncoat on things like Roe v Wade.

Bloody hell.

Frankly Luc, some of the worst of the pro life movement are female. Without diving into that murky water, to women who have the belief their most worthy asset is the ability to squeeze out puppies, abortion isn't a statement of a woman's rights, it's a repudiation of her most basic character.

Expecting a woman to be less antagonistic to women's issues is kind of like expecting a black (Thomas) to be more sensitive to minority issues. You are assuming a basic affinity with a group will override a displayed antagonism to an issue or policy. Kinda like thinking you can change someone once you marry them. It's a sucker bet.

 

[rgraham666]

Kinda like thinking you can change someone once you marry them. It's a sucker bet.

And yet we do so endlessly.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Frankly Luc, some of the worst of the pro life movement are female. Without diving into that murky water, to women who have the belief their most worthy asset is the ability to squeeze out puppies, abortion isn't a statement of a woman's rights, it's a repudiation of her most basic character.

Expecting a woman to be less antagonistic to women's issues is kind of like expecting a black (Thomas) to be more sensitive to minority issues. You are assuming a basic affinity with a group will override a displayed antagonism to an issue or policy. Kinda like thinking you can change someone once you marry them. It's a sucker bet.

Despite many's belief to the contrary, i'm not blind to that truth. I recognize that women gladly pitch in their fight on this issue, that women were the key factor in the ERA, etc...

Still I maintain that a republican female is more likely to turn turncoat on the abortion issue than a republican male. Just as a minority republican is more likely to turn turncoat on racial issues than a white republican. It doesn't mean no republican male will ever go, you know what, abortion is a shit issue and I'm going to go against the president on this or that no republican female will ever go, I rule that all abortion doctors to be dragged through the streets in four parts. Only that the likelihood of a "surprising" (yay to the belief that there are only two possible worldviews) viewpoint on an issue is dependent on sex or race.

 

[shereads]

Where else will Dubya find another woman whose hairstyle so closely resembles that of Justice O'Connor? And she has to be a judge, too?! That part is unreasonable.

I do feel kind of badly for her. For one thing, she'll never live down this quote: "George W. Bush is the most brilliant man I've ever known."

For another thing, George W. Bush is the most brilliant man she's ever known. That has to suck.

 

[shereads]

Frankly Luc, some of the worst of the pro life movement are female. Without diving into that murky water, to women who have the belief their most worthy asset is the ability to squeeze out puppies, abortion isn't a statement of a woman's rights, it's a repudiation of her most basic character.

Expecting a woman to be less antagonistic to women's issues is kind of like expecting a black (Thomas) to be more sensitive to minority issues. You are assuming a basic affinity with a group will override a displayed antagonism to an issue or policy. Kinda like thinking you can change someone once you marry them. It's a sucker bet.

Lord yes! Whatever happened to Phyllis Shchaffly, the icon of barefoot-and-pregnant, stand-by-your-man, don't-work-outside-the-home-unless-you're-me feminine morality? She's never been a judge, either, but what better place to learn on the job than the Supreme Court?

What about Doctor Laura? She's never been a judge or a doctor. She'd be perfect.

 

[shereads]

The highlight of the Miers business was the moment on "Meet the Press" when they put up the Bush quote assuring his base that Miers' views won't change twenty years from now, after which someone noted that twenty years ago she was a Democrat and a Roman Catholic.

Heehee.

What a shame that Dubya's low point comes too late to save us from all the damage he's done.

 

[Guest]

Where else will Dubya find another woman whose hairstyle so closely resembles that of Justice O'Connor? And she has to be a judge, too?! That part is unreasonable.

I do feel kind of badly for her. For one thing, she'll never live down this quote: "George W. Bush is the most brilliant man I've ever known."

For another thing, George W. Bush is the most brilliant man she's ever known. That has to suck.

Ah, but the fodder for late-night television and political columnists has been positively delicious.

This one may be my favorite -


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b318/sweetsubsarahh/HarrietMiers.gif

 

[shereads]

Ah, but the fodder for late-night television and political columnists has been positively delicious.

I just wish the fodder could be more spread out. How can Karl Rove possibly compete with the Miers fiasco and the name "Scooter?"

 

[Guest]

I just wish the fodder could be more spread out. How can Karl Rove possibly compete with the Miers fiasco and the name "Scooter?"

Even Ann Coulter made fun of Scooter.

No - wait. She makes fun of everyone. Never mind.

 

[thebullet]

Whatever happened to Phyllis Shchaffly

I still have a copy of A Choice Not an Echo - Schaffley's ode to Barry Goldwater. I keep it in a revered space right next to None Dare Call it Treason and Mein Kampf - -reminders of the crazy days when I was young and totally nuts.

I still remember the poem that formed the basis for name of None Dare Call if Treason

Treason never prospers
what's the reason?
For if it prospers
None dare call it Treason.

Times change, people get old and fat, but the extreme Right just keeps rollin' along.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Despite many's belief to the contrary, i'm not blind to that truth. I recognize that women gladly pitch in their fight on this issue, that women were the key factor in the ERA, etc...

Still I maintain that a republican female is more likely to turn turncoat on the abortion issue than a republican male. Just as a minority republican is more likely to turn turncoat on racial issues than a white republican. It doesn't mean no republican male will ever go, you know what, abortion is a shit issue and I'm going to go against the president on this or that no republican female will ever go, I rule that all abortion doctors to be dragged through the streets in four parts. Only that the likelihood of a "surprising" (yay to the belief that there are only two possible worldviews) viewpoint on an issue is dependent on sex or race.

Normally, I would agree. But Bush is actively trying to find "dependable" justices. i.e. those he can depend on to uphold the far right end in all things.

I personally felt a little sorry for Meirs. It borders on unfair that anyone nominated for a position on the court becomes an instant political football. When you have a country so divided and a court so divided, I think politics sometimes becomes more important inthese cnfirmation hearings than fairness. In her case, the Dems on the comittee were deamnding accesss to briefs written by her as white house counsel. That's lowballing at it's worst, since they knew damned well there was no chance those briefs would be made avialable to them. And they sunk her nomination without even givng her the chance to demonstrate if she was capable or not.

Ironically, seh withdrew her nomination, rather than let that become an issue. And that, shows me she had some strength of character, no matter what her politics or qualifications.

 

[Subo97]

fodder em this, fodder me that

It's just all too delicious I smirk a lot thses days. I remember not too long ago that someone on the boards said I must be European because I said something critical about Dubya. After all, no American in his right mind would, right? But then again, my right mind has never developed as well as my Left mind. I try not to chortle or guffaw, but I just can't help the occassional tee-hee. There is just someting delicious about watching the weasels writhe.

"They can beat us with wires,
they can beat us with chains,
but the can't outrun the History train."--Paul Simon