Michigan Patriot Party moves closer to being on ballot

[Rotadom]

Michigan Patriot Party moves closer to being on ballot

https://www.fox17online.com/news/politics/michigan-patriot-party-moves-closer-to-being-on-ballot

VanDussen says he's grown sick of the Republican Party and believes Republicans didn’t do enough to challenge the election results. He also thinks the national party is straying from conservative values.

“We need somebody or a party that's going to uphold the Constitution and protect the Bill of Rights. That's what we feel is being eroded,” VanDussen said.

I'm guessing there aren't too many brown members.

 

[CornusKousa]

I'm guessing there aren't too many brown members.

Well...they aren't the party of handouts and "free!!" things taken from others are they???

 

[PaxNurgle]

"Uphold the constitution and protect the bill of rights," by subverting the will of the people and overturning a democratic and free election??? Sounds more like shredding the constitution and abolishing the bill of rights.

I can never follow the logic of these people.

 

[Rotadom]

Well...they aren't the party of handouts and "free!!" things taken from others are they???

This post should be remembered the next time you are accused of racism.

"Uphold the constitution and protect the bill of rights," by subverting the will of the people and overturning a democratic and free election??? Sounds more like shredding the constitution and abolishing the bill of rights.

I can never follow the logic of these people.

The logic is pretty easy to follow because racists.

 

[WillJ8787]

Michigan Patriot Party moves closer to being on ballot

https://www.fox17online.com/news/politics/michigan-patriot-party-moves-closer-to-being-on-ballot



I'm guessing there aren't too many brown members.

Wait, you forgot about those Northerners who get a sun tan in their necks.

 

[Liar]

I mean if they really want to splinter the GOP... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[CornusKousa]

This post should be remembered the next time you are accused of racism.

FACTS ARE RACIST!!! LOL

Whatever dude...stay mad at the facts, it's what you leftist do best.

 

[YDB95]

This post should be remembered the next time you are accused of racism.

That particular trope has become so popular among the far right, it's only a matter of time until an actual Republican officeholder says it out loud. If that hasn't happened already.

 

[CornusKousa]

That particular trope has become so popular among the far right, it's only a matter of time until an actual Republican officeholder says it out loud. If that hasn't happened already.

It's been said and people can't even get mad, started falling flat back in the Bush era....because FACTS.

Romney's 47% comment was super close and everyone was like "Well, he's absolutely correct!!" and all the butt hurts just had to accept reality, driving them fucking crazy.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Romney? Bush? What's with all the historical histrionics?

 

[CornusKousa]

Romney? Bush? What's with all the historical histrionics?

Those aren't histrionics, you should look up what that word means, you don't seem to know what it means.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Well...they aren't the party of handouts and "free!!" things taken from others are they???

This post should be remembered the next time you are accused of racism.

One of many.

 

[CornusKousa]

One of many.

Also can't point to the racism...facts trigger the shit out of commies like that.

 

[NG1274]

"Uphold the constitution and protect the bill of rights," by subverting the will of the people and overturning a democratic and free election??? Sounds more like shredding the constitution and abolishing the bill of rights.

I can never follow the logic of these people.

As far as I can tell, it had something to do with belief of fraud. That court cases were tossed on what was it, standing? If there would just be an investigation to prove it wasn't, that would be taking an arrow from their quiver. But the lack/denial/threats when it is brought up do nothing but keep the hate going.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

As far as I can tell, it had something to do with belief of fraud. That court cases were tossed on what was it, standing? If there would just be an investigation to prove it wasn't, that would be taking an arrow from their quiver. But the lack/denial/threats when it is brought up do nothing but keep the hate going.

Do you understand the legal term "standing"?

Georgia did three recounts, was that not "investigation"? Michigan, Pennsylvania????

All but one of the law suits surrounding fraud in the election were tossed for one reason or another. The main reason was "standing". The one suit that actual was won, Pennsylvania was all ready adhering to the ruling, prior to the Judge actually issuing it, since the Pennsylvania elections officer acted in preemption of the case.

There was no fraud, there were even International Election Observers, in the US for your last election. Did you ever hear anything about the election from ODIRH?

Just a question, when are you going to live up to your signature?

Just a suggestion, try international news sources for a month, I'll bet your whole perspective would change.

 

[NG1274]

Do you understand the legal term "standing"?

Georgia did three recounts, was that not "investigation"? Michigan, Pennsylvania????

All but one of the law suits surrounding fraud in the election were tossed for one reason or another. The main reason was "standing". The one suit that actual was won, Pennsylvania was all ready adhering to the ruling, prior to the Judge actually issuing it, since the Pennsylvania elections officer acted in preemption of the case.

There was no fraud, there were even International Election Observers, in the US for your last election. Did you ever hear anything about the election from ODIRH?

Just a question, when are you going to live up to your signature?

Just a suggestion, try international news sources for a month, I'll bet your whole perspective would change.

Generally, yes.

I think you missed what I was trying to say. Tossing a case due to lack of standing, normally well and good. Because of the polarization involved, and the obvious mass of people wanting 'answers', I was suggesting that the administration run a non-biased, non-partisan investigation, to satisfy (and remove the ability to question) everyone that an answer was reached.

There were certainly anomalies, and as they seem to be what is fueling the fire, doesn't it make sense to address them so we can all get on with our lives?

I am trying, believe me. When I question cops or mention issues with both sides (and politically, what happens with one has happened with the other, nobody is free from that), the right doesn't really respond. The left, if I dare to imply not that they were guilty, but they could in some way share the guilt, go on the offensive.

I do check out the international sources now and then, I'll certainly give them a deeper look, thanks.

The summary is if I question the left to the point they need to answer specifically in great detail, a lot of the times the response is overblown emotionally.

I consider myself center-right, as I would like to see some liberal plans go into effect, but haven't the slightest how they would be paid for, but do not share the belief in critical race theory, by and large.

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Also can't point to the racism...facts trigger the shit out of commies like that.

Whatever you say, little racist.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Generally, yes.

I think you missed what I was trying to say. Tossing a case due to lack of standing, normally well and good. Because of the polarization involved, and the obvious mass of people wanting 'answers', I was suggesting that the administration run a non-biased, non-partisan investigation, to satisfy (and remove the ability to question) everyone that an answer was reached.

There were certainly anomalies, and as they seem to be what is fueling the fire, doesn't it make sense to address them so we can all get on with our lives?

Again, if you had looked up "standing" as it is implied in law, then you would have already answered yourself, and not bothered with with what your wrote.

How about I try this another way, you are "standing" on a street corner, waiting to cross an intersection. The hand turns green, and you keep standing there. A police officer walks up to you and gives you a ticket, writes on it, "cited for failing to cross when the hand was green".

You go to court to fight the ticket.. What do you think will happen? The court hears the case? Or is it thrown out for lack of standing in the law?

Now you go and take all that innuendo around the election, all the "talk", and find a "fact". Because, if there is no fact, there cannot be findings. You want an investigation, well fine, find something to investigate. Every case that was talked about publicly, claimed to have evidence of fraud, up to the point, where they actually filed the suit, and/or gave evidence in the few cases that courts actually heard.

This could be investigated, and litigated until the cows come home, and unless the outcome showed fraud, you would never be satisfied.

 

[jaF0]

I think 'standing' was a convenient (but legitimate) way out. Some of the claims were just so silly and nutty that the judges may not have wanted to give them the credibility of a hearing which would have been nothing but a waste of court time and taxpayer money.

The Judges may have used 'standing' as a way of getting rid of the nonsensical cases quickly.


There wasn't really anything in any of the claims that warranted further investigation. It all amounted to sour grapes .. 'they say the other guy got more votes, so there MUST have been fraud, because we know our guy was better and we just don't believe he didn't get the votes.'

The proof of that is that he said the states he won were all perfect and there was no fraud there, even though the elections were run the same ways.

The other proof is that other (R) candidates won in many of the states he lost. If there was such massive fraud as he claims, none of those seat would have gone (R).

If you're going to rig an election, you don't just rig one race.

 

[NG1274]

You go to court to fight the ticket.. What do you think will happen? The court hears the case? Or is it thrown out for lack of standing in the law?

Now you go and take all that innuendo around the election, all the "talk", and find a "fact". Because, if there is no fact, there cannot be findings. You want an investigation, well fine, find something to investigate. Every case that was talked about publicly, claimed to have evidence of fraud, up to the point, where they actually filed the suit, and/or gave evidence in the few cases that courts actually heard.

This could be investigated, and litigated until the cows come home, and unless the outcome showed fraud, you would never be satisfied.

I suppose that would depend on your method of fighting it. If you claimed it was racist and raised an outcry, there would certainly be a response of some kind other than sheer dismissal, as they would be afraid not to.

What about all that hoopla over voting machines, did anyone get to check the code used, the machines, etc?

I do agree with the last part, you cannot satisfy everyone. It is not a case of me never being satisfied, as I think politicians, by and large, are two sides of the same coin.

What I do know is that the current response by the left is not calming anything down. And I would also state were the positions reversed, the same result, one side inflaming the other. I am just trying to find some sort of balance in it all.

 

[PaxNurgle]

funny, there were no charges of election fraud AT ALL in the states Trump won...

 

[NG1274]

I think 'standing' was a convenient (but legitimate) way out. Some of the claims were just so silly and nutty that the judges may not have wanted to give them the credibility of a hearing which would have been nothing but a waste of court time and taxpayer money.

The Judges may have used 'standing' as a way of getting rid of the nonsensical cases quickly.


There wasn't really anything in any of the claims that warranted further investigation. It all amounted to sour grapes .. 'they say the other guy got more votes, so there MUST have been fraud, because we know our guy was better and we just don't believe he didn't get the votes.'

The proof of that is that he said the states he won were all perfect and there was no fraud there, even though the elections were run the same ways.

The other proof is that other (R) candidates won in many of the states he lost. If there was such massive fraud as he claims, none of those seat would have gone (R).

If you're going to rig an election, you don't just rig one race.

You could very well be right, I'm just saying (and here we go into that lovely realm of feelings) that in a situation so touchy, wouldn't it be wise to make everyone feel that they have been heard? Really it is the 'shut up, no fraud occurred, deal with it' that seems to be keeping tempers up. As I said earlier, were the positions reversed, I'm sure something similar would result. I just wish it wouldn't.

You wouldn't need to rig them all, I imagine. Find the few that would have the most effect.

Still, this will just be another point of contention, another roadblock to any kind of communication between the two lunacies.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I suppose that would depend on your method of fighting it. If you claimed it was racist and raised an outcry, there would certainly be a response of some kind other than sheer dismissal, as they would be afraid not to.

There is no law that says you need to cross on the green hand...therefore no standing in law... the cop can't give you a ticket for a law that doesn't exist. So no court would allow that case to be heard. IE no Standing...Will this ever sink in????

There are whole web sites, and social media groups that believe the Earth is flat, tens of thousands of people, maybe hundreds of thousands or even millions saying this,should we start an investigation to check out if that is true????

What about all that hoopla over voting machines, did anyone get to check the code used, the machines, etc?

What about it? Far as I can see, there are a couple billion dollar law suits going before the courts, from the makers of those "adding machines". Seems the manufactures are claiming all the hoopla, was, just that, hoopla.

I do agree with the last part,

Yes you will not be satisfied unless it is proven there was fraud, we can all see that.

What I do know is that the current response by the left is not calming anything down. And I would also state were the positions reversed, the same result, one side inflaming the other. I am just trying to find some sort of balance in it all.

NO you are not trying to find a balance, you are trying to figure out why most people don't view the problems in the US through the same lens as you do. You are just indifferent to all the cause's of the issues, and you try your best to keep your head buried in the sand.

As I said, take one full month, never digest any American News media, drop off Facebook, twitter or what ever other social media you use, and just read the international News from foreign News markets.

 

[CornusKousa]

Whatever you say, little racist.

Triggered by facts, Phil continues to insist on the claim he can't even try to support.

 

[RobDownSouth]

funny, there were no charges of election fraud AT ALL in the states Trump won...

Strictly coincidental. And in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, the alleged "voter fraud" was VERY specific, only in cities with majority non-white votes. Strictly coincidental.