Methane Rain

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Methane Rain, River Beds Found on Titan

By JOHN LEICESTER, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - A probe to Titan has found that liquid methane rains lash Saturn's largest moon, a freezing, primitive but active world of ridges, peaks, river beds and deserts scoured by the same forces of erosion as Earth, scientists said Friday.

Methane is a highly flammable gas on Earth, but on Titan, it is liquid because of the intense pressure and cold.

"There is liquid that is flowing on the surface of Titan. It is not water — it is much too cold — it's liquid methane, and this methane really plays the same big role on Titan as water does on Earth," said mission manager Jean-Pierre Lebreton at a news conference.

Titan's rains appear to be liquid methane, not water, and black-and-white photos from the probe showed a rugged terrain of ridges, peaks and dark vein-like channels, suggesting the moon 744 million miles away is scoured by the same erosion forces that shape Earth.

Titan's appearance has long intrigued scientists — and Europe's Huygens probe landed Jan. 14, making it the first moon other than the Earth's to be explored.

Scientists believe methane gas breaks up in Titan's atmosphere, forming smog clouds that then rain methane down to the surface.

"We've got a flammable world, and it's quite extraordinary," said Toby Owen, a scientist from Honolulu's Institute for Astronomy.

But unlike Earth, where water constantly circulates back into the atmosphere, Titan's methane never evaporates back into airborne smog.

"There must be some source of methane inside Titan which is releasing the gas into the atmosphere. It has to be continually renewed, otherwise it would have all disappeared," said Owen.

Titan has river systems and deltas, protrusions of frozen water ice cut through by channels, apparent dried out pools where liquid has perhaps drained away, and stones — probably ice pebbles — that appear to have been rounded by erosion, the scientists said.

The bottoms of the dried-out river channels are coated with what seem to be particles of smog that fall out of Titan's atmosphere, coating the whole terrain. The dirt apparently gets washed off the ridges to collect in the river beds.

It did not appear to be raining when Hyugens descended through Titan's haze on parachutes, "but it has been raining not long ago," said Lebreton.

"Does it rain only once a year? Is there a wet season once a year? Does it rain more frequently? We don't know," said another team member Martin Tomasko of the University of Arizona.

The area where the probe landed is "more like Arizona, or someplace like that, where the river beds are dry most if the time," he said. "Right after the rain you might have open flowing liquids, then there are pools, the pools gradually dry out."

Huygens was spun off from the Cassini mother ship on Dec. 24. The $3.3 billion Cassini-Huygens mission to explore Saturn and its moons was launched in 1997 from Cape Canaveral, Fla. — a joint effort between NASA (news - web sites), the European Space Agency, and the Italian space agency.

Scientists think Titan's atmosphere is similar to that of the early Earth and studying it could provide clues to how life arose here.
 
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Just been reading ESA press release as you posted this.
 
I have been following this mission fairly closely (hence the AV!) and find these latest reports fascinating.

The mind boggles at the thought of methane rain and rivers and ice water rocks - doesn't sound like the ideal holiday resort does it?!
 
Goldie Munro said:
I have been following this mission fairly closely (hence the AV!) and find these latest reports fascinating.

The mind boggles at the thought of methane rain and rivers and ice water rocks - doesn't sound like the ideal holiday resort does it?!

Not for a smoker!

Seriously - I heard there were lightning strikes on Titan, how does that square with a methane atmosphere? Why doesn't it just go: BANG.
 
Neon: Not enough oxygen? Won't go boom if there's nothing to combust with. Or maybe the lack of heat's the issue.

The Earl
 
neonlyte said:
Not for a smoker!

Seriously - I heard there were lightning strikes on Titan, how does that square with a methane atmosphere? Why doesn't it just go: BANG.

Yeah I thought that too! Its like CRASH oooops!
 
neonlyte said:
Not for a smoker!

Seriously - I heard there were lightning strikes on Titan, how does that square with a methane atmosphere? Why doesn't it just go: BANG.

FUCK! I was going to predict a lot of lightening! Then I would have been permanent Smart Guy!

There's lightening because methane is a hydrocarbon (contains only carbon and hydrogen), and hydrocarbons are notorious for picking up big charges of static electricity when they slosh around. It's a big problem when they're pumped to and fro, and everything has to be very carefully grounded to avoid creating sparks.

It doesn't burn on Titan because, as Earl says, there's no oxygen.

But if there's nitrogen, you've a near perfect set up for making amino acids and all sorts of goodies.

What a fascinating place!

---dr.M.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
FUCK! I was going to predict a lot of lightening! Then I would have been permanent Smart Guy!

There's lightening because methane is a hydrocarbon (contains only carbon and hydrogen), and hydrocarbons are notorious for picking up big charges of static electricity when they slosh around. It's a big problem when they're pumped to and fro, and everything has to be very carefully grounded to avoid creating sparks.

It doesn't burn on Titan because, as Earl says, there's no oxygen.

But if there's nitrogen, you've a near perfect set up for making amino acids and all sorts of goodies.

What a fascinating place!

---dr.M.

The scientists predicted a lot of lightening - dont know if it has been confirmed - but isn't it amazing that we have been able to analyse a world that has physical features like ours but oh so different?
 
The descriptions remind me of some stories.

Anybody ever read the book CITY by Simak?

BTW yes there's no oxygen in the atmosphere for combustion to take place.
 
Op_Cit said:
The descriptions remind me of some stories.

Anybody ever read the book CITY by Simak?

BTW yes there's no oxygen in the atmosphere for combustion to take place.

I read City in like eighth grade and I still remember parts of it.

Is that the book that had the story about the people who are turned into like lizards so they can live on Jupiter, and none of them ever wants to change back because it's so beautiful?

I also remember the story about giving ants tools so they can build a technological society. And the story about the surgeon who's too homesick to go save the Martian genius's life.

That was a great book.

---dr.M.
 
dr_mabeuse said:

Is that the book that had the story about the people who are turned into like lizards so they can live on Jupiter, and none of them ever wants to change back because it's so beautiful?

I also remember the story about giving ants tools so they can build a technological society. And the story about the surgeon who's too homesick to go save the Martian genius's life.

That was a great book.

---dr.M.

Bingo. where do I send the cigar?

Yeah, every last person on earth leaves to be changed so they can live there... One of my two favorite authors ever.

That last story you mention was called "The Huddling Place" and it's been on my mind a lot lately since I've been working at home more and more.
 
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