Men - question

[croydon2000]

Ha,ok soz

These are two different things, friend.

Like others have said, consent is the difference. Initially, your hypothetical was a straightforward case of whether or not a guy would report assault ( or that's how it sounded ). Now, with the latter statement, we seem to be venturing more into the realm of fantasy. Which is fine, but you see how one could be confused by this?

Also, their aesthetic appeal doesn't matter. Is it acceptable for a women to be tied up by a couple of strange men just because they could be considered handsome?

I think you need to clarify what exactly it is you're asking, lol.

To clarify:

I am not saying it is right,we know the laws etc... It's just a question on,if men would report it,I'm not asking to judge or be judged.

I know what I'm asking in a different level, but other sexual things on various forums also illegal, but it's just a hypothetical question ( dunno if spelt right,ha)

Hope that makes sense.

 

[SpunThings]

By gorgeous, I mean, not drugged up, rough women, maybe working class, might be bit tipsy, and want bit of fun. If they held a knife to my throat etc, then report.

So basically you'd enjoy it if they were the right women, who did it within your boundaries (no weapons or harm etc). This is shit people do, but they find partners and negotiate the particulars. This is CONSENT, which has nothing to do with actual rape or assault.

 

[SpunThings]

To clarify:

I am not saying it is right,we know the laws etc... It's just a question on,if men would report it,I'm not asking to judge or be judged.

I know what I'm asking in a different level, but other sexual things on various forums also illegal, but it's just a hypothetical question ( dunno if spelt right,ha)

Hope that makes sense.

So I'd say it's unlikely men who have negotiated and consented to this would report. There are people who fantasize about what you're talking about, and even play it out. You are not that unusual, if that's what you're asking. However, you have to divorce the fantasy from reality a bit and realize actually doing this in real life is a bit different. You can get the feelings you're after with people you approve of, and in ways that you will feel fulfilled afterwards. It's not something most people do on a first date, and it takes some getting to know and negotiation. I meanthe person wilking to do that has to be sure they can trust that you really want it, and that it won't traumatize or harm you in any way. There's usually discussion of safewords in case something goes wrong oneither side.

I think it would help you to come out of the clouds a bit and discuss this with others who actually do this stuff. This type of play is often called consensual non-consent in a scene.

 

[croydon2000]

I understand...

So I'd say it's unlikely men who have negotiated and consented to this would report. There are people who fantasize about what you're talking about, and even play it out. You are not that unusual, if that's what you're asking. However, you have to divorce the fantasy from reality a bit and realize actually doing this in real life is a bit different. You can get the feelings you're after with people you approve of, and in ways that you will feel fulfilled afterwards. It's not something most people do on a first date, and it takes some getting to know and negotiation. I meanthe person wilking to do that has to be sure they can trust that you really want it, and that it won't traumatize or harm you in any way. There's usually discussion of safewords in case something goes wrong oneither side.

I think it would help you to come out of the clouds a bit and discuss this with others who actually do this stuff. This type of play is often called consensual non-consent in a scene.

That's not the point I'm making I asked a question,and gave my opinion,wondered what others were, as read about an incident a while back.

Just because I ask does not mean,the answer will happen, what about when people talk about - incest- upskirt- toilet cams- voyeour -outdoors- flashing-touched by a stranger etc....
It's a question about what men would do,that's all.

 

[kismet999]

If u were forced by 1 or two women that you did not know,to service them,or tied u up and used you,would you report it?

The question is posted under the BDSM forum. Will the answers posted in this forum be different than those posted in other forums?

 

[SpunThings]

That's not the point I'm making I asked a question,and gave my opinion,wondered what others were, as read about an incident a while back.

Just because I ask does not mean,the answer will happen, what about when people talk about - incest- upskirt- toilet cams- voyeour -outdoors- flashing-touched by a stranger etc....
It's a question about what men would do,that's all.

Then I really don't understand the point of your question. What you are talking about isn't BDSM.

 

[Farawyn]

By gorgeous, I mean, not drugged up, rough women, maybe working class, might be bit tipsy, and want bit of fun. If they held a knife to my throat etc, then report.

Okay. So. This is getting silly.

 

[cookiecat]

That's not the point I'm making I asked a question,and gave my opinion,wondered what others were, as read about an incident a while back.

Just because I ask does not mean,the answer will happen, what about when people talk about - incest- upskirt- toilet cams- voyeour -outdoors- flashing-touched by a stranger etc....
It's a question about what men would do,that's all.

I'm guessing this is more about wank fodder. A fantasy. No that there's anything wrong with that.

Maybe better posed down in the Fetish & Sexuality Forum. Not because the BDSM forum isn't fun but... in this "Talk" section, which is more about what happens in real life questions & answers, how to, etc -- running with a fantasy about non-consent being ok because the chicks are hot... it sends the wrong message. At least for me, here in this part of the forum.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Farawyn]

So basically you'd enjoy it if they were the right women, who did it within your boundaries (no weapons or harm etc). This is shit people do, but they find partners and negotiate the particulars. This is CONSENT, which has nothing to do with actual rape or assault.

"This"^

 

[croydon2000]

No

I'm guessing this is more about wank fodder. A fantasy.

Maybe better posed down in the Fetish & Sexuality Forum.

It's not 'wank fodder' it's a straightforward question,u now know what question is,so you don't need to click back on this again then.

So ur guessing,means ur right does it? That no one else can have an opinion?

 

[croydon2000]

Hmm...

"This"^

The question is if u would report it? Over here in uk it's very rarely reported,if it happens,dunno what it's like in other countries,hence my part ignorance.


It's not a fantasy, just a question,please see other posts replys.

Thank you

 

[MastersDelight]

It's not 'wank fodder' it's a straightforward question,u now know what question is,so you don't need to click back on this again then.

So ur guessing,means ur right does it? That no one else can have an opinion?

She's saying that if what you're posing is a hypothetical, or a fantasy you're entertaining it may be better posted on the fetish and sexuality board as you'll get better responses geared more towards your question. Having it here isn't wrong, you just won't have as many responses geared toward the fantasy and more towards the safety of the scenario and how to turn it into a reality safely.

 

[SpunThings]

The question is if u would report it? Over here in uk it's very rarely reported,if it happens,dunno what it's like in other countries,hence my part ignorance.


It's not a fantasy, just a question,please see other posts replys.

Thank you

The problem is that asking about how frequently victims of a crime report them has absolutely nothing to do with BDSM.

 

[croydon2000]

???

The problem is that asking about how frequently victims of a crime report them has absolutely nothing to do with BDSM.

Soz When did I ask about frequency??

(That's not meant in aggressive way)

 

[MeekMe]

1. SpunThings is right that this question has nothing to do with BDSM.

2. It's unfortunate that many men would not report the incident because of the reasons CutieMouse mentioned.

3. This thread is a good example of why many men don't report. The idea that men are all sex hungry and if they're forced by two women OMG that's hawt! The reality of it though, is that it's not hot and many men have been sexually assaulted and they did not enjoy it or think is was hot and they probably didn't report the incident because of the assumption that they had an "awesome fantasy" moment.

4. For anybody reading that maybe needs some help, there are websites and hotlines available. I would encourage you to report, and also get help. If reporting is too much for you, still get help. We have some links in the abuse section of the BDSM Library. Here's one of the links that may have something helpful for you.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[SpunThings]

Soz When did I ask about frequency??

(That's not meant in aggressive way)

Now you're being nitpicky.

You asked if men would report it, then mention that some men pay for this experience. Comparing consensual acts, and discussing them as if they are the same thing as when someone hasn't consented, is problemmatic. There are two discussions here. The one about actual sexual assault has nothing to do with the things people do consensually. Either you're talking about how to implement this with all parties willingly consenting, which is BDSM and an appropriate discussion for this group, or you're talking about sexual assault, which is not BDSM. I'd encourage anyone to report if they can safely do so, and find someone they trust that they can talk about it. Actual rape is NOT hot. It is morally repugnant, and victims of rape deserve justice.

 

[cookiecat]

It's not 'wank fodder' it's a straightforward question,u now know what question is,so you don't need to click back on this again then.

So ur guessing,means ur right does it? That no one else can have an opinion?

Nope. Not at all. I don't know what your opinion is. I

You received the same answer over and over - report it. You came back with this:

Just because I ask does not mean,the answer will happen, what about when people talk about - incest- upskirt- toilet cams- voyeour -outdoors- flashing-touched by a stranger etc....

None of the things you mention are bdsm related but are all discussed at length in the Fetish & Sexuality forum, which is why I thought your question might be better received there.

Everyone here is giving you their opinions and you seem to be disregarding or diminishing those opinions by asking if it made a difference if the women were

gorgeous, I mean, not drugged up, rough women, maybe working class, might be bit tipsy, and want bit of fun. If they held a knife to my throat etc, then report.

Report it. There's your answer.

 

[cookiecat]

Reposting this, hoping this will be the last post on this subject with the appropriate information to get help if ever needed.

1. SpunThings is right that this question has nothing to do with BDSM.

2. It's unfortunate that many men would not report the incident because of the reasons CutieMouse mentioned.

3. This thread is a good example of why many men don't report. The idea that men are all sex hungry and if they're forced by two women OMG that's hawt! The reality of it though, is that it's not hot and many men have been sexually assaulted and they did not enjoy it or think is was hot and they probably didn't report the incident because of the assumption that they had an "awesome fantasy" moment.

4. For anybody reading that maybe needs some help, there are websites and hotlines available. I would encourage you to report, and also get help. If reporting is too much for you, still get help. We have some links in the abuse section of the BDSM Library. Here's one of the links that may have something helpful for you.

 

[_Necrosomantic_]

It's not 'wank fodder' it's a straightforward question,u now know what question is,so you don't need to click back on this again then.

So ur guessing,means ur right does it? That no one else can have an opinion?

Careful now.

She was simply suggesting that, given your responses, it seems more like this is a fantasy of yours you were looking for validation on, as opposed to a real question. She suggested you maybe try posting under a different forum that might better suit it. Even said it in a civil manner. That's all. Don't be a roaster.

 

[croydon2000]

Ok,ok

I apologise for any offence caused,as u can see I'm a newbie, and looks like I put in wrong forum.

I won't repost elsewhere,think will leave it there.
Again sorry for any confusion/offence.

I don't require help, but thanks all the same.

 

[cookiecat]

I apologise for any offence caused,as u can see I'm a newbie, and looks like I put in wrong forum.

I won't repost elsewhere,think will leave it there.
Again sorry for any confusion/offence.

I don't require help, but thanks all the same.

Newbies welcome, really

It is hard to know if someone is posting just as a fantasy/wank issue. Thought I'd throw it out there as an option.

We are a serious bunch when it comes to issues of consent. No offense taken on my part... just wanted to be sure you were getting the answers or opinions you asked for.

Glad you don't need help regarding this issue!!

 

[croydon2000]

Ok

I've requested for thread to be deleted.soz folks.

 

[Mr2Apprentice]

I haven't met two women that I would consider a viable threat..,at least enough of one that I can escape the situation. Also, the fantasy of two "strangers" "forcing" you to participate sexually with them is more common that you would think. Then again so is HIV!

 

[cookiecat]

I've requested for thread to be deleted.soz folks.

Bummer.