Memo to the media: GOP policies — not the rare liberal prosecutors — are driving crime

[pecksniff]

Amanda Marcotte:

It's a compelling story, this tale of a city electing a progressive prosecutor in a bout of wokeness, and then reeling him back after watching crime explode as a result. Certainly, that's the story that Republicans have been hyping, especially on Fox News, which nightly portrays liberal cities as dystopian hellholes where everyone is getting raped and mugged every time they leave the house. But it also happens not to be true.

As Paul Waldman of the Washington Post notes, similarly-sized cities with "Republican mayors and Republican chief prosecutors" have even worse murder rates than San Francisco. In fact, violent crime is more of a red state problem than a blue state one, as 8 out of the 10 states with the highest murder rates voted for Donald Trump in 2020. The murder rate in the 25 states that went for Trump is, on average, 40% higher than that of states that voted for Joe Biden. But, as Waldman notes, the mainstream media ignores this cold statistical evidence in favor of the right-wing framework that pins the blame on liberal prosecutors. Liberal prosecutors are exceedingly rare even in Democratic cities and, as in San Francisco, often helm cities with lower crime rates than their "tough-on-crime" counterparts.

The excuse for this misleading framework is that journalists are simply reporting on voter sentiment and the perception that liberal policies lead to crime. But this is a cop-out. Voters are confused because the media keeps regurgitating a framework that implies they must choose between liberal policies and lower crime rates. Of course, voters believe in this false dichotomy — it's the one presented as truth every time they turn on a TV or read a newspaper.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Talk about your alternative reality...



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[ll74]

I posted a thread with a study that shows prosecutorial reform is not the cause of crime increases, yesterday. Feel free to add it here, since the other thread was drowned to the depths.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Maybe your "study" was too biased too even discuss other than by the (trans) cheerleading squad...
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[ll74]

Maybe your "study" was too biased too even discuss other than by the (trans) cheerleading squad...
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It wasn't, but certainly the frequency of one liner zingers always pushes threads down the line. It was an interesting study nonetheless

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

If it were "interesting" it would not have died a sudden crib death.

Ergo, I have to assume that it was toxically biased...
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[Sh1ne0n67]

An alternative also just accused to me...

People posting here have learned how biased that you are
and that, in and of itself, tainted your study/thread in advance.
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[ll74]

If it were "interesting" it would not have died a sudden crib death.

Ergo, I have to assume that it was toxically biased...
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You can certainly assume whatever you want. I care.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

good

 

[techiedude71]

We can ignore this crap. Amanda Marcotte is a self regarded Journalist anyways since she’s mostly a blogger. Her credentials lend her no support. I get this fits a narrative for the red versus blue folk but as an independent in the midst of NYC I have to admit the reality outweighs the numbers.

Now the study 74 posted intrigued me until I read it through and again, checked who produced it. Should anyone desire to research the individuals behind the study which was self published and has yet to be given any weight by anyone but the individuals who produced it, feel free.

If the reality of a situation supersedes then research…

We all know poor people commit desperate crimes. It doesn’t take a genius to come to a simple conclusion without needing equations. Blaming either side is truly tiresome. It’s been going on for decades and yet here we are. The politics of an attorney as a basis for their prosecutorial nature is reprehensible since bias is disregarded. Justice has no side. No red or blue.

It’s all bullshit and the fact people here help peddle this nonsense is pretty fucking pathetic.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

*chuckle*

So it was the poster, not the report.
Everyone knew that it would be a flawed report.
(Usually the Left runs with peer-reviewed papers, but I guess none were on hand.)
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[ll74]

We can ignore this crap. Amanda Marcotte is a self regarded Journalist anyways since she’s mostly a blogger. Her credentials lend her no support. I get this fits a narrative for the red versus blue folk but as an independent in the midst of NYC I have to admit the reality outweighs the numbers.

Now the study 74 posted intrigued me until I read it through and again, checked who produced it. Should anyone desire to research the individuals behind the study which was self published and has yet to be given any weight by anyone but the individuals who produced it, feel free.

If the reality of a situation supersedes then research…

We all know poor people commit desperate crimes. It doesn’t take a genius to come to a simple conclusion without needing equations. Blaming either side is truly tiresome. It’s been going on for decades and yet here we are. The politics of an attorney as a basis for their prosecutorial nature is reprehensible since bias is disregarded. Justice has no side. No red or blue.

It’s all bullshit and the fact people here help peddle this nonsense is pretty fucking pathetic.

The methodology is what intrigued me about the study. I'd be interested in a similar study that showed that it could be improved upon, but the data is sound.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Based on your degree in statistics.

Correct?
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[ll74]

*chuckle*

So it was the poster, not the report.
Everyone knew that it would be a flawed report.
(Usually the Left runs with peer-reviewed papers, but I guess none were on hand.)
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You suggested it was biased without even looking at it and then you suggested it was my fault.

Feel free to provide a similar study which refutes the conclusion...that's what the thread I created was intended to do.

You won't.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Could it be merely that it corresponds to your confirmation bias?
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[ll74]

Based on your degree in statistics.

Correct?
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As I said earlier, assume what you want.

There's a definitive way that doesn't require assuming.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

You suggested it was biased without even looking at it and then you suggested it was my fault.

Feel free to provide a similar study which refutes the conclusion...that's what the thread I created was intended to do.

You won't.

Because I have come to know the man and his level of character.

You remind me of one of my teacher's sayings.

When any standard will do,
a low one is as good as a high one
and easier to achieve.
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[techiedude71]

The methodology is what intrigued me about the study. I'd be interested in a similar study that showed that it could be improved upon, but the data is sound.

The data is sound for sure. All it proves is poor people commit desperate crimes and the easy access to guns is helping. The guns are purchased in states with no laws and brought into our cities and sold out of trunks to anyone with cash. The cashs used comes from drug selling and other criminal acts. Drugs and guns are at the corner of American politics. It bugs me that people vilify one side and think the other is the guardian at your back. I am not accusing you of this but the desperate need to rid the country of one party we all hate and leave us with the other we all hate is not the answer.

 

[ll74]

Good job

Because I have come to know the man and his level of character.

You remind me of one of my teacher's sayings.

When any standard will do,
a low one is as good as a high one
and easier to achieve.
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Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[ll74]

The data is sound for sure. All it proves is poor people commit desperate crimes and the easy access to guns is helping. The guns are purchased in states with no laws and brought into our cities and sold out of trunks to anyone with cash. The cashs used comes from drug selling and other criminal acts. Drugs and guns are at the corner of American politics. It bugs me that people vilify one side and think the other is the guardian at your back. I am not accusing you of this but the desperate need to rid the country of one party we all hate and leave us with the other we all hate is not the answer.

I have a folder of studies regarding multiple policies and issues. When someone provides additional studies and information sources, I add to it. The study I posted took 35 cities and analyzed crime reported to see if there is a correlation to prosecutorial changes. I assume there are similar studies representing different cities that might indicate that the methodology requires tweaking.....there typically is. I also have not had time to dig into peer review and comments (outside of this forum)

 

[techiedude71]

*chuckle*

So it was the poster, not the report.
Everyone knew that it would be a flawed report.
(Usually the Left runs with peer-reviewed papers, but I guess none were on hand.)
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Why must this be an issue? I admit I don’t get this community or it’s history but outside looking in, you just hate each other. It seems the reasons for posting at all in here is less about the content and more about the contention.

That keeps others away at least and you guys can have your recreation of 6th grade recess. That’s one approach for sure.

 

[ll74]

I have a folder of studies regarding multiple policies and issues. When someone provides additional studies and information sources, I add to it. The study I posted took 35 cities and analyzed crime reported to see if there is a correlation to prosecutorial changes. I assume there are similar studies representing different cities that might indicate that the methodology requires tweaking.....there typically is. I also have not had time to dig into peer review and comments (outside of this forum)

Adding - I have quite a few attorneys on the Twitter's who post analysis often, about half I agree with and about half I don't.....a few added that I sometimes go either way. I have them in a list and dont follow them, so it doesn't impact my algorithm. I can't say I spend a ton of time there, but the SF DA recall has gotten quite a bit of coverage, leading to studies like the one I posted, get quite a bit of airtime.

Ill be adding other studies as I find them to my thread..feel free to follow.

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

similarly-sized cities with "Republican mayors and Republican chief prosecutors" have even worse murder rates than San Francisco.

Yet they never name one... not a single one.


And if it's not Democrats and their shit policy why is it blue shit holes with the problem??

Blue shitholes are blue shitholes because Democrats made them that way..... not the GOP.

I posted a thread with a study that shows prosecutorial reform is not the cause of crime increases, yesterday. Feel free to add it here, since the other thread was drowned to the depths.

it made partisan claims ..... seriously doubt it actually demonstrates the opposite of reality.

 

[ll74]

it made partisan claims ..... seriously doubt it actually demonstrates the opposite of reality.

It reviewed data and provided conclusions on that data. You'll never even glance at it, nor will champy, so it doesn't matter

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Why must this be an issue? I admit I don’t get this community or it’s history but outside looking in, you just hate each other. It seems the reasons for posting at all in here is less about the content and more about the contention.

That keeps others away at least and you guys can have your recreation of 6th grade recess. That’s one approach for sure.

What keeps people away is the dying genre aspect of the board.

To borrow from Empire Records: I have the common sense to hate them back.

To borrow from the past:

I bitched about Bush for six years, and through all that time the Republicans on this board never trashed me the way the Democrats do now that "their guy" is "in charge."

Their guy is in charge again and they have upped the vitriol
and I thought they had peaked with Trump
But Biden needs "defense."
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