Meet the idiot cubs fan who ruined Game 6 for us.

Weevil said:
No, you're right. He didn't have to get out of the way, but by not getting out of the way he hurt the Cubs. That's all.

Just as the grounds keepers hurt the club by not having a better infield so there wouldn't have been a bad hop for the shortstop. I think they should blame the ticket booth for selling that guy a ticket in the first place. They hurt the Cubs.
 
zipman7 said:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/cubfan1.html

His back is completely twisted and he already banged against the wall. I don't think it was a given that he would have caught it. Was he right there, yes he was. How many times have you seen a guy do that and not make the catch? I've seen it happen plenty of times.

Not many. His glove is right under the ball. I've watched enough baseball to know that Alou makes that catch.



zipman7 said:
It's a bad analogy for the exact reasons that Pookie posted.
he fan did not go onto the field and stop a sure thing, as your analogy suggests. [/B]

A guy running towards the end zone isn't a sure thing either. And going onto the field is irrelevant. In Baseball, sitting in seats on the lines, you're aware that you could very well be part of the game. Every game I've ever sat on the lines and a similar play occurred it was very well understood that if a home player is looking for that ball you get out of the way.
 
Pookie said:
Alou's never made an error? Never dropped a ball during a game?

Who's to say he would have come back down on the field with the ball still. His glove could hit something jarring the ball loose. Any number of things could've happened. It's baseball. I've played enough softball to know NOTHING is automatic.

I've played enough Football to know that just because it looks like I'm going to score a touchdown it doesn't mean I will. I'm sorry but Alou makes that catch if the fan doesn't tip it.
 
Mountain Man said:
It is just an excuse for losing....

Loses will come up with any excuse

What reason in the world do I have to excuse the Cubs? I don't care if they win or not. These aren't excuses, they're reasons and factors. One of the reasons that the Cubs lost that game is that a key out was turned into a foul ball by a fan, one of the reasons the Red Sox lost game 6 is because a ball went through Buckners legs. One of the reasons the Kansas City Royals won Game 6 of the 1985 series is that Don Denkinger blew a call. It has nothing to do with excuses but analyzing why teams win and why they lose.
 
Mountain Man said:
The play Buckner Fucked...was the end of the game...that was it...it was over..

Oh, that Bill Buckner, lol.
 
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Pookie said:
Just as the grounds keepers hurt the club by not having a better infield so there wouldn't have been a bad hop for the shortstop. I think they should blame the ticket booth for selling that guy a ticket in the first place. They hurt the Cubs.

Except the ground crews infield has the potential to affect both teams, a ticket booth employee has no way of knowing that someone he sells a ticket to is incredibly stupid.
 
Lasher said:
Buckner's error only tied the game.

No, Buckner's error lost the game. If he made the play the score would have been tied.
 
Weevil said:
Not many. His glove is right under the ball. I've watched enough baseball to know that Alou makes that catch.





A guy running towards the end zone isn't a sure thing either. And going onto the field is irrelevant. In Baseball, sitting in seats on the lines, you're aware that you could very well be part of the game. Every game I've ever sat on the lines and a similar play occurred it was very well understood that if a home player is looking for that ball you get out of the way.

So a guy running toward the endzone isn't a sure thing buy Alou catching the ball is.

Sorry, but you're starting to sound too much like Loving Tongue to make this worth discussing.

Believe what you want, but your arguments are more than lame on this topic.
 
zipman7 said:
So a guy running toward the endzone isn't a sure thing buy Alou catching the ball is.

Sorry, but you're starting to sound too much like Loving Tongue to make this worth discussing.

Believe what you want, but your arguments are more than lame on this topic.

Chicago firefighter Pat Looney was seated next to the fan, whose identity was not released, and said there was no misconduct.

"It looked like it was out of play. Don't blame him," Looney said. "I should've pushed him out of the way. If I saw Alou coming, I would have.

"He wasn't leaning over. He was behind the rail, he didn't know Alou was coming," he said. "It looks like I touched the ball, but I didn't. I got 50 hate calls already. The firehouse where I work is being bombarded."
 
zipman7 said:
So a guy running toward the endzone isn't a sure thing buy Alou catching the ball is.

Sorry, but you're starting to sound too much like Loving Tongue to make this worth discussing.

Believe what you want, but your arguments are more than lame on this topic.

You beat me to it. ;)
 
Weevil said:
No, Buckner's error lost the game. If he made the play the score would have been tied.

And Buckner's play was more of a "sure thing" than Alou trying to catch a ball in the stands.

It's baseball. I've played baseball/softball since I was 3 years old. I know that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is a sure thing. I've firsthand seen enough VERY good players make errors in the most routine situations to know that.
 
I am just not quite so sure why this guy is getting treated like crap. The guy didn't give up any of the runs. At the worst Prior should have just looked at as another strike and gotten the batter out. What I think should be done is hostility and anger directed at the shortstop. Though I really think to get this upset about baseball is ridiculous. I know its the cubs and they havent won since 1908 but come on its baseball and if you dont have more important things to do with your life than get this upset and in arms about baseball your life needs reevaluating. It's a shame that people can't get this motivated about things that aren't so trivial. Lol, if the cubs do win or the redsox either one for that matter people will riot and go nuts over baseball.
 
rick_j21 said:
I am just not quite so sure why this guy is getting treated like crap. The guy didn't give up any of the runs. At the worst Prior should have just looked at as another strike and gotten the batter out. What I think should be done is hostility and anger directed at the shortstop. Though I really think to get this upset about baseball is ridiculous. I know its the cubs and they havent won since 1908 but come on its baseball and if you dont have more important things to do with your life than get this upset and in arms about baseball your life needs reevaluating. It's a shame that people can't get this motivated about things that aren't so trivial. Lol, if the cubs do win or the redsox either one for that matter people will riot and go nuts over baseball.

You sound sane. Are you sure you're supposed to be here?
 
rick_j21 said:
Lol I'll take that as a compliment.

It's meant as one. I am appalled at the number of people who feel strongly enough about this to want to crucify the guy.

What's telling is the guy sitting next to him has already received something over 50 hate calls. I can not imagine what is happening to the other guy.

I also find it funny that Cub fans have already decided that they are not going to the series...I hope the team they support hasn't got that attitude.
 
2nd Corking Scandal Rocks Cubs in Loss to Marlins
(2003-10-15) -- For the second time this season a corking scandal has rocked the Chicago Cubs in the wake of their improbable 8-3 loss last night to the Florida Marlins. This time a fan is the target of the investigation.

An unidentified Cubs fan, who snatched a foul ball away from the outstretched glove of Chicago left-fielder Moises Alou, is under investigation for allegedly having a head full of cork. The foiled foul catch marked a turning point in the game, which the Cubs had led 3-0 to that point. They were just five outs away from the World Series.

"No one with a brain in his head would cheat his own team from making an out," said an unnamed spokesman for Major League Baseball. "We suspect that most, or all of the fan's cranium has been hollowed out and filled with cork."

Earlier this year, Cubs slugger Sammy Sosa was suspended for using a cork-filled baseball bat.

One expert said that cork-filled crania are a growing problem among baseball fans, but this is the first time during the 2003 post-season that the epidemic has affected the outcome of a game.

"Fans like the cork because it makes their heads lighter, and leaves them untroubled by thoughts of personal responsibility," said the expert.

Numerous physicians, who are Cubs fans, have offered to remove the cork from the unidentified man's head, possibly through his nostrils.
 
zipman7 said:
So a guy running toward the endzone isn't a sure thing buy Alou catching the ball is.

Sorry, but you're starting to sound too much like Loving Tongue to make this worth discussing.

Believe what you want, but your arguments are more than lame on this topic.

No, neither is a sure thing. Outside of death and taxes nothing is. You don't know enough about the subject to continue and thats fine. Those of us who know our baseball will be able to put this into proper perspective.
 
Weevil said:
His glove is right under the ball. I've watched enough baseball to know that Alou makes that catch.

Weevil said:
No, neither is a sure thing.


So now, Alou catching the ball isn't a sure thing. Of course, that was my exactly my point, and the reason that I said the fan didn't cause them to lose.
 
zipman7 said:
So now, Alou catching the ball isn't a sure thing. Of course, that was my exactly my point, and the reason that I said the fan didn't cause them to lose.

And I've agreed. The fan isn't the sole reason they lost but he was a factor. Alou catching the ball isn't a sure thing but neither is the guy running towards the end zone. Alou probably would have made the catch.

It's just like the Jeff Maier incident. Would Tarrasco have absolutely caught that ball? No. Jeez, it might have bounced off his head into the stands and been a homerun anyway. It doesn't change the fact that what the fan did interefered with his ability to catch a ball that he probably would have caught.
 
Basically, this whole incident has 1) made damned sure I will NEVER root for the Cubs and 2) makes me think that everyone who DOES support the Cubs are drooling, rabid idiots.

Folks, it's a sport. I know people have varying degrees of how seriously they take sports, but honestly. It's just a fucking game. You WILL continue living if a certain team doesn't make the World Series. Get a fucking life and move on.

I noticed a rather disturbing comment or two in this thread that, while I'm sure it was halfway in jest, isn't really funny given the circumstances. Jeb Bush offered the guy asylum in Florida because of the controversy - that's how serious it has supposedly gotten for this guy. To get threats on your life - hell, even just hate calls - over a stupid fucking sport is about the most outrageous thing I've ever heard. Say it with me one more time, folks:

It's just... a... GAME.

If you'd honestly get mad enough to kill, harm, or even harass someone just for a stupid autonomic response (I've been to a few baseball games; when the ball flies toward you, instinct tells you to look for it and see if you can't grab it), you need professional counseling. I don't care if the Cubs never won a single game in their entire existence. If the incident is enough to even make you lose sleep, have yourself committed. You're a fucking loony.

Seriously, get over it. The Cubs have been in a 90-something year slump. One more year won't kill any of them.
 
Originally posted by Weevil
And I've agreed. The fan isn't the sole reason they lost but he was a factor. Alou catching the ball isn't a sure thing but neither is the guy running towards the end zone. Alou probably would have made the catch.

Cool. You finally agree with the point Zipman and I were making to you yesterday that you were in such denial about. :D


"No chance. It was a jumping catch, sure, but it was going right into Alou's glove."


Weevil said:

It's just like the Jeff Maier incident. Would Tarrasco have absolutely caught that ball? No. Jeez, it might have bounced off his head into the stands and been a homerun anyway. It doesn't change the fact that what the fan did interefered with his ability to catch a ball that he probably would have caught.

The ball wasn't in the stands in the Maier incident. Later replays showed that the Umpire blew the call by ruling it a home run. It should have been ruled fan interference. There was no disagreement about the Cub fan incident. The officials agreed before and after that it wasn't fan interference. Big difference between the two incidents. In the first, it wouldn't have been a home run if the Umpire made the correct call.

Chicago should have won the NLCS in Game 6. The Cubs still led 3-0 with one on and one out in the eighth inning, and one of baseball’s best pitchers on the mound. If the Cubs make the routine plays, they win game 6 and are off to the World Series. Instead, Prior walked the batter and gave up an RBI single, and Gonzalez boots a ground ball that would have ended the inning with the Cubs still leading 3-1. Even with all that, if Prior or Farnsworth had made good pitches, the Cubs would have probably won. But they threw batting practice pitches instead. If the Cubs are so fragile that one play blows away their confidence, they didn’t deserve to win that game or the series. About the only thing you can really say the fan did was reveal the Cubs for the kind of team they really are.
 
After the pitching performance that this cub fan gave last night I don't blame the other fans for being mad.


What do you mean he didn't pitch?

Then who are we going to blame? We can't blame the players or coaches.

Who is responsible? :confused:



BTW. I am suing the clerk at the store where I bought my lottery ticket yesterday. He didn't sell me the winning ticket. I know that I would have won if he had sold me the right ticket.:D
 
MysteryWhiteGirl said:
Basically, this whole incident has 1) made damned sure I will NEVER root for the Cubs and 2) makes me think that everyone who DOES support the Cubs are drooling, rabid idiots.
This is not something that only Cubs fans would react that way to.

Hardcore fans of any team would react that way.

I hasten to note that at least Chicagoans didn't tear the city down after their loss, like so many other riotous locales.


Here, let's settle the analogy of the play once and for all: Since the batter didn't get on base because of the play, it can't possibly loom as large as a runningback with an open field to the end zone getting tackled by someone not involved in the game.

It was disheartening, yes, but it had only a marginal effect on the Cubs' chances of winning. In fact, if Mark Prior had buckled down and struck Castillo out, nobody would be giving this a second thought.

TB4p
 
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