Medical question

Wildcard Ky said:
Yes, you can get glazers in .40

Glazers are odd, they can cause tremendous damage to very soft tissue, but can be stopped quite easily. A very heavy coat, or a wallet can stop them. They're meant to be "safe" rounds to shoot inside of a house. They won't pass through walls and possibly hit someone in the next room. Ricochet is practically non existant as well.

Glazers will stop at bone, whereas regular lead/copper bullets will go through the bone.

Thanks Wildcard. I didn't know the penetration was that poor with Glazers.

Ya learn something new everyday.
 
rgraham666 said:
Thanks Wildcard. I didn't know the penetration was that poor with Glazers.

Ya learn something new everyday.

Thanks to all you nice people I've learned a lot today. Thank you! :)
 
carsonshepherd said:
any suggestions on a specific medication for inflammation?


Tordol is the standard up here. I think mostly because it's non addictive and can be given orally or via IV.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
Yep. Very good chance that he'll never have proper use of the arm again. The bone will probably be demolished. .40's with modern hollow points are very nasty.

The ultra brief history of the .40 is that it was designed by law enforcement. Criminals/suspects weren't being put down at a consistent enough rate by the 9mm. There were a whole lot of people that took a hit from a 9mm, and were able to continue to fight the police. So the police wanted a round that someone wouldn't be able to get up from after being hit. Thus the .40 was born. It serves it's original purpose of a 1 shot knock down/out quite well.


I've never fired a .40, But I owned a .41 revolver for several years.

I liked it because the recoil was a lot easier to handle than a .44, but I never saw a huge difference in pentration (granted I was shooting at paper targs on a range or at cans)

Do you know of hand if they still make the .411? I haven't seen any lately and I knind was thinking about getting anew one. If i can't find it is the .40 similar in recoil?
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I've never fired a .40, But I owned a .41 revolver for several years.

I liked it because the recoil was a lot easier to handle than a .44, but I never saw a huge difference in pentration (granted I was shooting at paper targs on a range or at cans)

Do you know of hand if they still make the .411? I haven't seen any lately and I knind was thinking about getting anew one. If i can't find it is the .40 similar in recoil?

I don't know if anyone is making the .41 now or not. I'm sure that there's some good used ones out there to be had.

The .40 has considerably less recoil than the .41. It's a slower bullet, so there's less of a powder charge, and .40 is designed for semi auto's. Alot of the recoil gets absorbed by the cycling action of the gun.

I own Sig Sauer model 226 in .40SW and I love it. My wife has shot it, and she has no complaints about recoil. She's NOT a gun person, but wanted to try it. When it comes to semi auto pistols, I'm very partial to Sigs. No, I don't work for them. :D I just think they're by far the best option out there for a litany of reasons.

I'm also very partial to the .40. IMO it's the perfect semi auto pistol round. It has much more stopping power versus the 9mm, but isn't as bulky and recoil heavy as the .45.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
I don't know if anyone is making the .41 now or not. I'm sure that there's some good used ones out there to be had.

The .40 has considerably less recoil than the .41. It's a slower bullet, so there's less of a powder charge, and .40 is designed for semi auto's. Alot of the recoil gets absorbed by the cycling action of the gun.

I own Sig Sauer model 226 in .40SW and I love it. My wife has shot it, and she has no complaints about recoil. She's NOT a gun person, but wanted to try it. When it comes to semi auto pistols, I'm very partial to Sigs. No, I don't work for them. :D I just think they're by far the best option out there for a litany of reasons.

I'm also very partial to the .40. IMO it's the perfect semi auto pistol round. It has much more stopping power versus the 9mm, but isn't as bulky and recoil heavy as the .45.

we have a SIG-Sauer 229 .40SW

Not really a gun person myself, but my BF the ex-marine is.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I've never fired a .40, But I owned a .41 revolver for several years.

I liked it because the recoil was a lot easier to handle than a .44, but I never saw a huge difference in pentration (granted I was shooting at paper targs on a range or at cans)

Do you know of hand if they still make the .411? I haven't seen any lately and I knind was thinking about getting anew one. If i can't find it is the .40 similar in recoil?


Ruger shows a .41 Mag in their Super Blackhawk line, which is a single-action revolver.
 
Wildcard Ky said:
I don't know if anyone is making the .41 now or not. I'm sure that there's some good used ones out there to be had.

The .40 has considerably less recoil than the .41. It's a slower bullet, so there's less of a powder charge, and .40 is designed for semi auto's. Alot of the recoil gets absorbed by the cycling action of the gun.

I own Sig Sauer model 226 in .40SW and I love it. My wife has shot it, and she has no complaints about recoil. She's NOT a gun person, but wanted to try it. When it comes to semi auto pistols, I'm very partial to Sigs. No, I don't work for them. :D I just think they're by far the best option out there for a litany of reasons.

I'm also very partial to the .40. IMO it's the perfect semi auto pistol round. It has much more stopping power versus the 9mm, but isn't as bulky and recoil heavy as the .45.


I've fired the .45 1911, can't say the recoil bothered me, but I had also just fired a ruger redhawk, so it might be relative :)
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I've fired the .45 1911, can't say the recoil bothered me, but I had also just fired a ruger redhawk, so it might be relative :)

The recoil of any magnum revolver is much more than a semi auto. If you're popping off .41 or .44 mags out of a Redhawk, a semi auto is going to be nothing.

carsonshepherd said:
we have a SIG-Sauer 229 .40SW

Not really a gun person myself, but my BF the ex-marine is.

An excellent choice. The 229 is simply a smaller version of the 226 that I have. Sig is about as good as it gets when it comes to Semi auto pistols. They're more expensive, but worth it to me.
 
Colleen Thomas said:
I've fired the .45 1911, can't say the recoil bothered me, but I had also just fired a ruger redhawk, so it might be relative :)

A .40 S&W has about the same recoil.
 
The_Fool said:
A .40 S&W has about the same recoil.


AS a red hawk? Or a colt .45?

I love the redhawk, but it didn't jst kick, it knocked me down and stomped on me before taking my purse ;)
 
Colleen Thomas said:
AS a red hawk? Or a colt .45?

I love the redhawk, but it didn't jst kick, it knocked me down and stomped on me before taking my purse ;)


As a .45 auto...
 
neonurotic said:
Ibuprofen for swelling and a painkiller like Vicodin.
Ah. Vicodin. Use to take that for migraines. It gave me weird dreams. Some people hallucinate on Vicodin. Potentially addictive, too.
 
3113 said:
Ah. Vicodin. Use to take that for migraines. It gave me weird dreams. Some people hallucinate on Vicodin. Potentially addictive, too.

Bret Favre was hooked on Vicodin and played the best football of his career :D
 
Wildcard Ky said:
Bret Favre was hooked on Vicodin and played the best football of his career :D

Vicodin is mildly hallucinogenic to me. It does nothing for my pain, but it's kinda fun...
 
<----has the same reaction to Vicodin...doesn't do a thing for my pain, either... nor morphine, believe it or not... nada


and I have no knowledge of guns/wounds... but with all the questions you've been asking lately, Carson, I'm dying to read this story that'll come out of it! :)
 
SelenaKittyn said:
<----has the same reaction to Vicodin...doesn't do a thing for my pain, either... nor morphine, believe it or not... nada


and I have no knowledge of guns/wounds... but with all the questions you've been asking lately, Carson, I'm dying to read this story that'll come out of it! :)

Heee. You might change your mind when I tell you it's 87k+ words, 29 chapters, with possibly two more to go.... *dies*
 
Heee. You might change your mind when I tell you it's 87k+ words, 29 chapters, with possibly two more to go.... *dies*


HO! That's not a story, darlin', that's a novel... :D

putting it up here, or is it a mainstream kinda deal?
 
SelenaKittyn said:
HO! That's not a story, darlin', that's a novel... :D

putting it up here, or is it a mainstream kinda deal?

Yes, I know, it's a beast.

I have to edit another novel for publication this fall. Then I'll have time to get this one in shape. I don't know if it's too long for Lit, although I estimate I'll have to cut about a quarter of it.

So the answer to the question is.... an unequivocal I have no idea. :)
 
inflammation or pain?

Vicodin wouldn't do much at all for inflammation. I agree Toradol is good, but it doesn't work as well in pill form. Maybe just plain old naproxen for inflammation. But I promise a gun shot victim would go home on pain medication. We use Lorcet alot short term. If it was a long term thing Ultram is good and it's supposed to be non-addicting. Also, sometimes Duragesic patches (fentanyl) are nice to help with overall pain. They are usually used with pills taken as needed for breakthrough pain.
 
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carsonshepherd said:
About fifteen feet away, single shot from a .40 semi-auto. Probably broken bones and flesh wound, wouldn't you think? (obviously I'm not a ballistics expert...) :)

If the victim was wearing only a t-shirt, the bullet would likely pass through. So, entry and exit wounds clened and stitched closed. Dressing would be gauze pads with anti-septic, likely taped in place. they would need to be changed daily for the first week or so then every two to three days. The arm would be in a sling until the muscle and conective tissue healed sufficiently. If the humorus was broken a shoulder cast would be in order, but with that type of break there would be splintering and surgery would be a requirement.
 
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