Meanwhile in Wisconsin...

[SevMax2]

The Green Party has been illegally excluded from the ballot. As if that will make Greens vote for Democrats. They are an entire separate political party, dumbass! You repressed political opponents for nothing. Violated constitutional freedom of association for nothing. It’s sickening!

 

[FescueFan]

The Green Party has been illegally excluded from the ballot. As if that will make Greens vote for Democrats. They are an entire separate political party, dumbass! You repressed political opponents for nothing. Violated constitutional freedom of association for nothing. It’s sickening!

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!

 

[YDB95]

The Green Party has been illegally excluded from the ballot.

Erm, no. The Wisconsin Elections Commission voted against allowing the G.R.E.E.N.s (i.e. Get Republicans Elected Every November) on the ballot. The G.R.E.E.N. Party appealed the decision to the state Supreme Court, and their decision was that the WEC had done nothing illegal.

The WEC has three Democrats and three Republicans, and they split along party lines. Was the three Dems' goal to help Biden by keeping the G.R.E.E.N.s off the ballot? More than likely. But there's no question that the Republicans had an equally selfish interest here when they bankrolled the G.R.E.E.N.s' appeal.

And yes, a few snowflakes up there will still write in a G.R.E.E.N. vote. But at least they won't be actively assisted by the Republic Party.

 

[kissedcherry]

The goal is a one party system

Today the green party... then anyone other than the new socialist left. The North Korea model is nice because they don't have much gun violence on their streets.

 

[FescueFan]

Today the green party... then anyone other than the new socialist left. The North Korea model is nice because they don't have much gun violence on their streets.

Not after their great "progress" forward though.

Was some hungry mother fuckers though.

 

[YDB95]

Today the green party... then anyone other than the new socialist left. The North Korea model is nice because they don't have much gun violence on their streets.

If you really believe that, surely you don't think Trump needs a spoiler to win Wisconsin again.

 

[SevMax2]

If anyone is deluded enough to think that this will win Green voters, when they are a legitimate political party of their own, they deserve to be ridiculed for their absurd fascist tactics. Green voters aren’t the property of the Democratic or Republican parties. Nor are Libertarian voters. The court was wrong. This is nothing but political repression. It won’t win any voters.

 

[YDB95]

If anyone is deluded enough to think that this will win Green voters, when they are a legitimate political party of their own, they deserve to be ridiculed for their absurd fascist tactics. Green voters aren’t the property of the Democratic or Republican parties. Nor are Libertarian voters. The court was wrong. This is nothing but political repression. It won’t win any voters.

The point wasn't to win GREEN voters, and anyone who is that committed to being a spoiler can still write in the GREEN candidate. The point was putting a stop to a cynical Republican Party effort whose one and only point was to encourage splitting the left-of-center vote.

 

[SevMax2]

The point wasn't to win GREEN voters, and anyone who is that committed to being a spoiler can still write in the GREEN candidate. The point was putting a stop to a cynical Republican Party effort whose one and only point was to encourage splitting the left-of-center vote.

Looks like the GOP doesn’t have a monopoly on cynicism. The best answer isn’t political repression under any paltry excuse, but to eliminate supposed spoiler effect, of which I am personally skeptical, by pushing through Ranked Choice Voting.

 

[YDB95]

Looks like the GOP doesn’t have a monopoly on cynicism. The best answer isn’t political repression under any paltry excuse, but to eliminate supposed spoiler effect, of which I am personally skeptical, by pushing through Ranked Choice Voting.

I don't see it as repression. The GREENs had a fair chance to make their case through the courts, and they failed.
I do agree about ranked choice voting. But that wasn't going to happen this year in Wisconsin.

 

[FescueFan]

Looks like the GOP doesn’t have a monopoly on cynicism. The best answer isn’t political repression under any paltry excuse, but to eliminate supposed spoiler effect, of which I am personally skeptical, by pushing through Ranked Choice Voting.

Says the communist!!!

LMFAO!!!!!

WOW......you're voting (D), who are actively oppressing anyone they don't like and won't step in line.

You're flying the flag of communism in your AV and claim to be *giggles* "Libertarian left" LMFAO!!!!!

Sev....buddy....you're the most politically confused poster here I swear.

I don't see it as repression.

Now THAT is a good comrade.... no 'reeducation camp' for YDB. He'll get to starve to death without the hard labor aspect, soooo progressive.

 

[LLCox]

I have voted third party since Nixxon. Now I am voting to get rid of a megalomaniac. EVERY vote counts this time.

 

[Rightguide]

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!!

Does the CPUSA have an alternative candidate on the ballot, they can vote for?

 

[Wrong Element]

The Green Party has been illegally excluded from the ballot. As if that will make Greens vote for Democrats. They are an entire separate political party, dumbass! You repressed political opponents for nothing. Violated constitutional freedom of association for nothing. It’s sickening!

Pretty sure a decision made by a state Supreme Court is not "illegal."

And my understanding is that the Greens had an issue with the petition signatures, but decided to wait to appeal the decision to keep them off the ballot until after mail-in ballots had already been printed — which is what you'd do if your real goal was to simply disrupt the vote, basically all the Greens are good for.

 

[Comshaw]

The Green Party has been illegally excluded from the ballot. As if that will make Greens vote for Democrats. They are an entire separate political party, dumbass! You repressed political opponents for nothing. Violated constitutional freedom of association for nothing. It’s sickening!

So the state just removed them from the ballot illegally? Oh wait, the court said they could? You do know what "illegal" means don't you? You do realize that the courts are the one's who's job it is to interpret laws, right? And that when they rule, unless it's overturned on appeal, it is "legal", right? Or are you substituting what you believe for what is a fact?

Ain't much, if any, difference between the extreme right and the extreme left. Both of ya'll want to use your own belief as fact. You and BB are two sides of the same coin.



Comshaw

 

[FescueFan]

Does the CPUSA have an alternative candidate on the ballot, they can vote for?

Why would they need one? Joe Biden and the DNC fully supports them and their political objectives.

 

[WillJ8787]

Does the CPUSA have an alternative candidate on the ballot, they can vote for?

Is Linden LaRouche still alive?

 

[SevMax2]

Pretty sure a decision made by a state Supreme Court is not "illegal."

And my understanding is that the Greens had an issue with the petition signatures, but decided to wait to appeal the decision to keep them off the ballot until after mail-in ballots had already been printed — which is what you'd do if your real goal was to simply disrupt the vote, basically all the Greens are good for.

Courts can be wrong and support illegal and unconstitutional actions. Or do you believe that Plessy vs Ferguson and Citizens United are correct? I don’t subscribe to legal positivism.

 

[SevMax2]

So the state just removed them from the ballot illegally? Oh wait, the court said they could? You do know what "illegal" means don't you? You do realize that the courts are the one's who's job it is to interpret laws, right? And that when they rule, unless it's overturned on appeal, it is "legal", right? Or are you substituting what you believe for what is a fact?

Ain't much, if any, difference between the extreme right and the extreme left. Both of ya'll want to use your own belief as fact. You and BB are two sides of the same coin.



Comshaw

You neoliberals are the biggest extremists...committed to the existing system which has clearly failed us. In any case, courts are often wrong and this was motivated by partisan gain, not the legal merits. The benefit of the doubt should be given to more choices, not less. You are guilty of the same suppression as Republicans.

And you wonder why more Americans don’t vote, when you deliberately limit their choices. They correctly don’t believe in the system anymore.

 

[SevMax2]

https://youtu.be/BFBk5CZCxY0 Krystal Ball nails the Washington Post.

 

[Comshaw]

You neoliberals are the biggest extremists...committed to the existing system which has clearly failed us. In any case, courts are often wrong and this was motivated by partisan gain, not the legal merits. The benefit of the doubt should be given to more choices, not less. You are guilty of the same suppression as Republicans.

And you wonder why more Americans don’t vote, when you deliberately limit their choices. They correctly don’t believe in the system anymore.

Suppression? How?
And for your information, the system didn't fail us, the people involved forced it to fail.

Courts are SOME TIMES wrong, but as I pointed out there's a cure for that, it's called an appeal, which I also pointed out in my previous post.

This is the problem with both sets of zealots: Neither party want to go by law, they want to go by what they believe it should be. This isn't about limiting options, it's about you wanting to foist your view of what you think it should be on everyone else.

Zealots, whether far left or far right are all the same in makeup: demanding that everyone else goes by their rules rather than the ones agreed to by the majority.



Comshaw

 

[YDB95]

Or do you believe that Plessy vs Ferguson and Citizens United are correct?

I believe they were wrong in every way imaginable. But they were/are the law until the law was/will be changed. Again, the GREENs had their day in court, and they lost.

 

[SevMax2]

Suppression? How?
And for your information, the system didn't fail us, the people involved forced it to fail.

Courts are SOME TIMES wrong, but as I pointed out there's a cure for that, it's called an appeal, which I also pointed out in my previous post.

This is the problem with both sets of zealots: Neither party want to go by law, they want to go by what they believe it should be. This isn't about limiting options, it's about you wanting to foist your view of what you think it should be on everyone else.

Zealots, whether far left or far right are all the same in makeup: demanding that everyone else goes by their rules rather than the ones agreed to by the majority.



Comshaw

Believe what you wish, but you're wrong and I'm done arguing my point with you. This assertion of yours about me wanting to "force" my will on others is really just your own paranoid fantasy built upon your fear of your precious social order falling. You know that it's in trouble and on the verge of collapse.

I haven't forced anything on anyone. I've simply expressed my principles and beliefs, just as you have. We are at an impasse, not going to see eye to eye. As far as I am concerned, the benefit of the doubt must always prefer more participatory democracy, more options, not less, not fewer. People being paid or pressured to retract their signatures is no valid basis for removing another choice from the ballot.

Let me make this quite clear. The Green Party is not an arm of either the Democratic or Republican parties, nor of Russia, or anyone else that occurs to paranoid McCarthyist types. It is a legitimate, grassroots political party that has existed since the 1980s, modeled on similar parties in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. It is, at the moment at least, barring the creation of a "People's Party," the largest real progressive political party in America.

Deal with it.

I'm a far-left agitator, yes, one who used to be libertarian right, now more libertarian left. I'm not forcing my views on anyone else, just exercising my free speech online to espouse them, just as you have.

Green voters shouldn't have to pay the price for the incompetence of some Green Party representatives. That's not their fault. They shouldn't have to write in a candidate, but now they will have to either do that or stay home. You better hope that they write in, because at least then they might vote Democratic down ballot.

By the way, no one forced the Democrats to sue to remove the Greens. That they did means that they wish to abuse the law contrary to its spirit, if not its letter. The law can be an instrument of oppression, just as it can be an instrument of justice. It is what you choose to make of it, a tool that in the wrong hands can be perverted into a real evil.

 

[YDB95]

Green voters shouldn't have to pay the price for the incompetence of some Green Party representatives. That's not their fault.

It's not their fault that they failed to get enough signatures to qualify for the ballot? I don't follow. At all.

By the way, no one forced the Democrats to sue to remove the Greens.

The Democrats didn't sue anyone. It was the Greens who sued to get on the ballot, and it was with the backing of a law firm with close ties to the Republicans. Heck, the Dems were the only party that WASN'T involved.

 

[SevMax2]

I believe they were wrong in every way imaginable. But they were/are the law until the law was/will be changed. Again, the GREENs had their day in court, and they lost.

An incorrect decision once overruled presumably means that it was only operating as case law at the time based upon error. Once reversed, it is retroactively regarded as not being law, simply believed to be law and operating as law at the time.

The Greens are a legitimate political party of their own and their voters should not be disenfranchised because Democrats got litigious and their own representatives got sloppy.