Mean people suck

[BlackSnake]

This one is for those you apply personal attacks instead of debating issues.

 

[Lisa Denton]

This one is for those you apply personal attacks instead of debating issues.

Huh? Whats up BS, oops, I mean Blacksnake. Is somebody messin with you? Your stories get bombed or sumpthin? One of mine got 3 or 4 low votes in one day lately.
You know I don't think I would mind, or at least I might think they were right if they weren't anonymous. Maybe a low vote and some constructive feedback in an e-mail I could work with.
Hang in there Blacksnake, the trolls come and go, but when somebody says they really like your work and it made them feel good, thats why you keep at it.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

This one is for those you apply personal attacks instead of debating issues.

If this is about me, I raise my eyebrow in befuddlement.

 

[destinie21]

Re: Re: Mean people suck

If this is about me, I raise my eyebrow in befuddlement.

really cos if this is about you I smirk at the irony.

 

[LilDarlin]

~New~

I am not quiet sure if this is a good thing or a bad, but I am new here to writing the poems... I love it when I get annyyyy kind of feedback.. Of course thsoe bad ones ya have to take with a grain of salt..
Each comment I get seems to help me in some way.. Good or bad.. These people are reading my stuff and that in it's self tickles me.. I do get a lot of Great coments, those are the ones we love.. Its when you have no commments, no votes, and yet a lot of people read your work.. Well thats when I know I am slipping..

Sorry rambling I know~~ Just like to know what people think of my work, good or bad~~ just getting them to leave one is like pullin teeth in some cases.. When I get no comments or votes,, I think It has Bombed..

So in that case (Like now) I stop writing and sit on my bummm,, so yes~~!!!! we need those comments an votes..

Again, sorry for the rambling on.. Just got up and its all afloat in my mind.. Need coffee I say~~~ lol

 

[Guest]

i thought mean people spit
nice people swallow

 

[Guest]

Re: ~New~

I am not quiet sure if this is a good thing or a bad, but I am new here to writing the poems... I love it when I get annyyyy kind of feedback.. Of course thsoe bad ones ya have to take with a grain of salt..
Each comment I get seems to help me in some way.. Good or bad.. These people are reading my stuff and that in it's self tickles me.. I do get a lot of Great coments, those are the ones we love.. Its when you have no commments, no votes, and yet a lot of people read your work.. Well thats when I know I am slipping..

Sorry rambling I know~~ Just like to know what people think of my work, good or bad~~ just getting them to leave one is like pullin teeth in some cases.. When I get no comments or votes,, I think It has Bombed..

So in that case (Like now) I stop writing and sit on my bummm,, so yes~~!!!! we need those comments an votes..

Again, sorry for the rambling on.. Just got up and its all afloat in my mind.. Need coffee I say~~~ lol

I don't think this has anything to do with comments or feedback on stories/poems, rather more likely: it is something that has been said in the threads. Probably political.

Sounds like you have the right approach, though.

Blacksnake, treat it like water off a duck's back. It ain't personal, cos they don't know you personally, whoever it was or whatever was said.

Lou

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: Mean people suck

Huh? Whats up BS, oops, I mean Blacksnake. Is somebody messin with you? Your stories get bombed or sumpthin? One of mine got 3 or 4 low votes in one day lately.
You know I don't think I would mind, or at least I might think they were right if they weren't anonymous. Maybe a low vote and some constructive feedback in an e-mail I could work with.
Hang in there Blacksnake, the trolls come and go, but when somebody says they really like your work and it made them feel good, thats why you keep at it.

I don't even know if anyone is downing my stories. I write for my pleasure and to play story ideas out to see what I can come up with.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: Mean people suck

If this is about me, I raise my eyebrow in befuddlement.

I would not use this forum for personal attacks. I don't think you have ever done anything to me.

One another thread I think that we had different views, but then again we could have been talking about two totally different issues.

I think mean people suck, because you will still have to deal with some, even if you don't want to. It really makes me tried sometimes.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: ~New~

I am not quiet sure if this is a good thing or a bad, but I am new here to writing the poems... I love it when I get annyyyy kind of feedback.. Of course thsoe bad ones ya have to take with a grain of salt..
Each comment I get seems to help me in some way.. Good or bad.. These people are reading my stuff and that in it's self tickles me.. I do get a lot of Great coments, those are the ones we love.. Its when you have no commments, no votes, and yet a lot of people read your work.. Well thats when I know I am slipping..

Sorry rambling I know~~ Just like to know what people think of my work, good or bad~~ just getting them to leave one is like pullin teeth in some cases.. When I get no comments or votes,, I think It has Bombed..

So in that case (Like now) I stop writing and sit on my bummm,, so yes~~!!!! we need those comments an votes..

Again, sorry for the rambling on.. Just got up and its all afloat in my mind.. Need coffee I say~~~ lol

Most of what could be thought of as bad feedback on my stories are generally right on. I usually sit down for a couple of hours and pound out about 2000 words, copy it and then submit it. I get generally the same kind of feedback "idoit, have you ever heard of spell check" They are usually right. I may glance over it, but I'm seeing what's still fresh in my mind, not what I actually typed in the document.

Bac feedback are usually correct. You should at least check to see how correct they really are. I have no problem with it. I usually get very good reads on new stories I write.

 

[BlackSnake]

i thought mean people spit
nice people swallow

Hey, I don't mind the spitting if I'm on top.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: ~New~

I don't think this has anything to do with comments or feedback on stories/poems, rather more likely: it is something that has been said in the threads. Probably political.

Sounds like you have the right approach, though.

Blacksnake, treat it like water off a duck's back. It ain't personal, cos they don't know you personally, whoever it was or whatever was said.

Lou

It's actually not about me. I get slammed everytime I change my AV to the one of my cock. Hey, more than likely it's bigger than theirs or any they have had. I'm ok with that now. It use to piss me off though.

I know that sometimes when people have a different view than yours {used generally}, it can get under your skin. It's happen to me more than a few times. I'm just sensative that way. Here with all the different cultures, it would seem that we could see that no matter how many different ways you can tell others that their opinion is wrong, they will not change to see things your way.

I'm mean. "Man created God because he is afraid of death."

What a mean person here would do is PM others and say, "don't waist your time responding, because he {used generally} is an asshole, ignorant, republican, female, or whatever"

The political correctness gets really old. I don't want to have to be your best friend in order to find out how long your nipples are, or if unprotected anal sex gross you out. It's opinions. That being said, I respect the right not to respond. But if you do it, because someone or a group "the in-crowd" has a problem with them, then I think it's mean. And that sucks.

 

[BlackSnake]

Lucifer_Carroll,

I got back to what you posted on the other thread. I see that you were attempting to explain why some of the ladies would not post. I still think that they should be encouraged to post like some have.

I can't and won't say that he did not make valid points. Shit happens, no doubt about that.

Go back and read the reponses from Helen and English Lady. Great stuff. I can't get this stuff from my wife. She just trys to tell me what she thinks I want to hear, no matter how much I protest against it. It's not the "I'd like you to lick my tits crap" it's insightful.

Don't like me, fine, but I didn't start the thread and I'm way into and not in a perverse way. I do believe that some women do not believe that some mean want to know how they really feel. Of course, not many want to hear shouting.

 

[KarenAM]

Lucifer_Carroll,

I got back to what you posted on the other thread. I see that you were attempting to explain why some of the ladies would not post. I still think that they should be encouraged to post like some have.

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I do believe that some women do not believe that some mean want to know how they really feel. Of course, not many want to hear shouting.

I'm avoiding posting on the thread in question, so I'll say it here. I feel that Lucifer Carroll is right on the money with his explanation (he usually is, being an insightful fellow and all...). The problem is that for both genders there are issues of trust and vulnerability. We've all met way to many people who turned out to be various kinds of lunatics and who took unfair advantage of us when we were candid. These can be one kind of mean people who suck.

A lot of women, in other words, do not believe that a lot of men want to know how they really feel because painful experience has taught them otherwise. A lot of men feel the same way. If we wish to get past this, trust must be earned first.

The fact is that people can and do develop reputations on boards like this one, and the very appearance of their name can provoke a reaction. An individual who openly displays his contempt of those who disagree with him and who drops them into neat little categories he can then insult, and who claims to know more about their lives and ability to think than they do simply because they fall into a particular gender, is going to develop a reputation as someone who people can't trust. When he then starts a thread wanting to know intimate, personal details about their bodies and self-image at a time when many people struggle with these things, it is the height of hubris for him to think he's going to get (or that he deserves) a response.

Again, if you or most of the men who post here had started a thread about breasts and bras, you'd probably get a fair number of women willing to tell you about them. But as this thread notes, "mean people suck", and when they then claim to be the victim because those they have attacked don't want to play with them, it's rather hard to sympathize.

We reap what we sow.

 

[Guest]

But isn't anything and everything we post here public, for all to see?

Just because we might be directing our responses at a certain person (or not, as the case maybe), that doesn't mean that others won't read it.

Whether we direct what we say to our closest friends, or to a complete stranger, our comments are in the public domain, out there for all to read.

If you don't want to give out anything personal, just don't. Don't say you'd tell certain people, but not others, because everyone can flippin' well read it anyway!!!

Sorry for the mini-rant, but I don't get this, "I'd tell somebody else, but not you." EVERYONE CAN READ ANYTHING POSTED HERE!

Lou

 

[KarenAM]

Quite true, Tatelou. (Egad! I'm a poet and I don't know it!)



A part of this (which I should have said but didn't) is some degree of surprise and offense being taken that an individual who has been so nasty should then expect people to open up in response to him. As you point out this is irrational given the fact that the responses could be read by anyone, but human beings are not, in my experience, always rational beings.

As an analogy, we may take a conversation in a crowded room. If a hostile misogynist were to ask something intimate we may not respond, but if the nice guy did, we might, even though the hostile misogynist was standing nearby and we knew he could overhear us. It's a question of believing that the hostile misogynist does not deserve to expect a response to such a question, even though he can hear it if it is asked by somebody else.

You are quite correct that if it's really something we don't known, of course, then we should simply remain silent, as I have.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[Guest]

Quite true, Tatelou. (Egad! I'm a poet and I don't know it!)



A part of this (which I should have said but didn't) is some degree of surprise and offense being taken that an individual who has been so nasty should then expect people to open up in response to him. As you point out this is irrational given the fact that the responses could be read by anyone, but human beings are not, in my experience, always rational beings.

As an analogy, we may take a conversation in a crowded room. If a hostile misogynist were to ask something intimate we may not respond, but if the nice guy did, we might, even though the hostile misogynist was standing nearby and we knew he could overhear us. It's a question of believing that the hostile misogynist does not deserve to expect a response to such a question, even though he can hear it if it is asked by somebody else.

You are quite correct that if it's really something we don't known, of course, then we should simply remain silent, as I have.

I hope that makes sense.

Yep, makes complete sense.

Then we have people like me who don't care what we say and who we say it to. I meant in regard to how open we are.

Lou

 

[KarenAM]

Yep, makes complete sense.

Then we have people like me who don't care what we say and who we say it to. I meant in regard to how open we are.

Lou

People like you enrich these boards for the rest of us shy and prudish folks.

Thanks!

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Lucifer_Carroll,

I got back to what you posted on the other thread. I see that you were attempting to explain why some of the ladies would not post. I still think that they should be encouraged to post like some have.

I can't and won't say that he did not make valid points. Shit happens, no doubt about that.

Go back and read the reponses from Helen and English Lady. Great stuff. I can't get this stuff from my wife. She just trys to tell me what she thinks I want to hear, no matter how much I protest against it. It's not the "I'd like you to lick my tits crap" it's insightful.

Don't like me, fine, but I didn't start the thread and I'm way into and not in a perverse way. I do believe that some women do not believe that some mean want to know how they really feel. Of course, not many want to hear shouting.

Thank you for seeing what I was saying. And encourage away.

I don't dislike you. If I've given you that impression, I apologize.

My opinions on amicus's beliefs about women have been recorded on another thread. I see no reason to revive them here.

Yes, I read Helen's and EL's responses, they were decent glmpses. And I've been lucky enough in my life to get such confidences from good female friends. For nearly all of them through absolutely no effort on my part, I was told a good deal about their breasts. This was probably because I'm a decent safe guy or maybe it's because I don't have a history of "lusting out" over things like that. It's why I understood why things weren't going well for ami.

And to Tates, of course it's not rational. However there are threads that have different "auras" (for lack of a better word), ones that seem more intimate will get more intimate responses. You won't see flirtation or in depth description of turn-ons on a poly thread for instance.

I think one of the main reasons ami got such a particularly hard slam is that he has had a history of abusing women on the forums. During "The Feminine Mistake" he grabbed quotes from them without permission and placed them in a book he was working at at the same time. Many thought this a breach of etiquette in a similar vein to taking one of their stories and publishing it on an incest site.

Personally, both those actions don't really bother me, but for many they do.

 

[gauchecritic]

I may be reading you wrong Snake but I think I see what you are saying. The thing is that it happens everywhere, not just the boards, as you point out.

When people can't get their view across they resort to abuse, but there are actually two kinds of abuse. On the one hand "You don't know shit and can't argue worth a toss" Or on the other "You are a cocksucker who wears diapers."

I haven't witnessed the second kind on these boards but there are plenty of instances of the first.

The first kind are born of frustration and dogmatism the second are simply a lack of vocabulary. I honestly can't see any problem with the first kind, assuming this comes out after a long discussion or heated arguement. To me it is an admission of defeat by the insulter as in 'if you strike the first blow then you have lost the match."

The second thing I think people are missing is that you elaborated your reasons when you mentioned PMs. I think you are quite right, to PM someone, in private in order to turn you against someone with whom you are speaking is mean. When you've known that person through the boards and their posts and with whom they are friendly, the last thing that they should do is try to persuade you in any direction.

They are putting you in a bad situation and that is mean. They have also inadvertantly coloured your view of them and that is mean. It is sad. And you're right it is very tiresome.

Gauche

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: Re: ~New~

my cock.... it's bigger than theirs

I'm just sensative that way.

A sensative guy with a big cock

That's all I heard!


seriously, though you make some good points.

And the only problem I have with *that* av is that it's very... distracting. Makes it really hard to consentrate on your posts.

 

[BlackSnake]

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I don't dislike you. If I've given you that impression, I apologize.

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I was speaking in general, not that I thought you had a problem with me.

I agree with Lou and understand Karen.

When I saw the title of the thread I jumped right in. Knowing how different women feel about what we see of them, or want to see of them is like walking around with a pocket full of gold coins.

For instance, this girl was outside sitting on a bench going over her notes for a test. I'd seen her before, so I said hi to her. She had on a pair of pink knit shorts and she sat with her heels on the seat of the bench with her knees together. A fantastic pussy-print shot. I looked up from her crotch and she was smiling at me and then continued telling me about her the class she was about to take the test for. Before leaving her to it, I wanted to be sure that she realized that I was looking at her crotch, so I looked again, smiled, chuckled, and then bid her good look on the test. When I looked up she was again smiling (cheerfully it seemed) at me.

What I'd like to know is what was she feeling? Did she see in her mind's eye what I was looking at? Was she thinking that I'd like to take her somewhere and screw her? What was she thinking, knowing that I was looking at her crotch?

Insight, anyway it can be gotten. Women are all different, that's a no brainer. Having a clue about how some women feel in different situations helps when trying to develop characters for stories.

I think this board is sometimes rich with personalities, and I'd like to encourage the women on this board to spill. I thank you {speaking generally again} for it.

 

[BlackSnake]

Re: Re: Re: Re: ~New~

A sensative guy with a big cock

That's all I heard!


seriously, though you make some good points.

And the only problem I have with *that* av is that it's very... distracting. Makes it really hard to consentrate on your posts.

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I usually bring out that AV when I'm feeling incredibly horny. I come up with my best ideas when I'm horny. All in all, it's no different than some of the AV's I've seen hear. Is it because it's my cock and not something that I wish I had?

 

[BlackSnake]

I may be reading you wrong Snake but I think I see what you are saying. The thing is that it happens everywhere, not just the boards, as you point out.

When people can't get their view across they resort to abuse, but there are actually two kinds of abuse. On the one hand "You don't know shit and can't argue worth a toss" Or on the other "You are a cocksucker who wears diapers."

I haven't witnessed the second kind on these boards but there are plenty of instances of the first.

The first kind are born of frustration and dogmatism the second are simply a lack of vocabulary. I honestly can't see any problem with the first kind, assuming this comes out after a long discussion or heated arguement. To me it is an admission of defeat by the insulter as in 'if you strike the first blow then you have lost the match."

The second thing I think people are missing is that you elaborated your reasons when you mentioned PMs. I think you are quite right, to PM someone, in private in order to turn you against someone with whom you are speaking is mean. When you've known that person through the boards and their posts and with whom they are friendly, the last thing that they should do is try to persuade you in any direction.

They are putting you in a bad situation and that is mean. They have also inadvertantly coloured your view of them and that is mean. It is sad. And you're right it is very tiresome.

Gauche

I agree.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ~New~

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I usually bring out that AV when I'm feeling incredibly horny. I come up with my best ideas when I'm horny. All in all, it's no different than some of the AV's I've seen hear. Is it because it's my cock and not something that I wish I had?

However, if you were refuring to perdita, then your comments are *way* off. As a general statement however, I agree.

If you don't know why that thing is distracting or unual, then I don't know how to help you. try a poll or something and see how many people think that your av is any different from the others.