Me and the Collective (I am not a number, I am a Free Man!)

Champakian

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There are several brands, a myriad if one goes back to the times of
emperors and kings, of collectivism. Marxism, Communism and
Socialism are collectivist philosophies that are firmly united in theory
and differ only in minor differences of implementation molded by
the precedent form of rule, location, era and other geopolitical
states existent in opposition, coalition or strict neutrality. The
equivalent in these political debates/discussions is the parsing of the
Democrat and Republican parties as being some sort of polar
opposites when it fact, they are pretty much both nothing more than
slight variations on a theme by peoples who have a shared
expectation of the role and scope of government, some want more,
some want less, some want no change, but very rare is the desire
for a radical change in the form of governance. Good or bad, it is
familiar and peoples are most comfortable with the familiar, which
explains why the -isms are comfortably embraced by peoples
formerly ruled by various forms of tyranny in Europe and other
continents whereas the very notion is rejected by the peoples who
left those locals for the Americas where the rule of, by, and for the
people was established and now no other would be long tolerated
or endured.

This is just how I see it, feel free to discuss and disagree but please
check your rancor and ascription at the door, take it to another thread
or start one of your own dedicated to proving how brave, enlightened
and Rickles you are (/can be) while pretending that your fellow posters
dropped into that thread just to get a load of you. Feel free to engage
in your own brand of false expertise, but please, in the name of the
Gods and Buddhas, don’t Google up and subsequently cut and paste
the definitions that you prefer. Originality of thought is valued most.
As the old proverb states: There is a mountain and at the bottom of
the mountain are many paths and many guides. All paths lead to the
top of the mountain.
 
I tend to focus on policies and ignore historical ideologies.

If a Republican candidate supports policies I agree with, I typically vote for them less often than a Democratic candidate, though strategically sometimes that's not the approach.
 
I think that there is a tendency to look at political affiliations like languages. Where if you believe in a cluster of policies, then it must stem from a fundamental political position. Like, if you believe in higher taxes for the wealthy, that you share some ideological connection with Marxism.

But, the research done by Jonathan Haidt puts an interesting spin on this. He has given personality tests to a large number of people and then asked them about their political leanings. He found that people who are on the right or left have predictable personalities. This would suggest that a person's personality determines their positions on the issues, and it is only after stringing enough of these issues together would anyone consider adhering to a broader political ideology.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_the_moral_roots_of_liberals_and_conservatives#t-29534

I believe that a person's acceptance of or rejection of collectivism has it's roots here. Not in the ideas we are exposed to, but our personalities that we bring to the world.
 
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Hard format to read in this format
Cut and pasted?
Post the link instead?
Copyright??

I dunno, some Litsters post like that. bodysong always does. Maybe it's something to do with the software they're using.
 
I think that there is a tendency to look at political affiliations like languages. Where if you believe in a cluster of policies, then it must stem from a fundamental political position. Like, if you believe in higher taxes for the wealthy, that you share some ideological connection with Marxism.

But, the research done by Jonathan Haidt puts an interesting spin on this. He has given personality tests to a large number of people and then asked them about their political leanings. He found that people who are on the right or left have predictable personalities. This would suggest that a person's personality determines their positions on the issues, and it is only after stringing enough of these issues together would anyone consider adhering to a broader political ideology.

https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_the_moral_roots_of_liberals_and_conservatives#t-29534

I believe that a person's acceptance of or rejection of collectivism has it's roots here. Not in the ideas we are exposed to, but our personalities that we bring to the world.

Shaddup, Conager.
 
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There are several brands, a myriad if one goes back to the times of
emperors and kings, of collectivism. Marxism, Communism and
Socialism are collectivist philosophies that are firmly united in theory
and differ only in minor differences of implementation molded by
the precedent form of rule, location, era and other geopolitical
states existent in opposition, coalition or strict neutrality. The
equivalent in these political debates/discussions is the parsing of the
Democrat and Republican parties as being some sort of polar
opposites when it fact, they are pretty much both nothing more than
slight variations on a theme by peoples who have a shared
expectation of the role and scope of government, some want more,
some want less, some want no change, but very rare is the desire
for a radical change in the form of governance. Good or bad, it is
familiar and peoples are most comfortable with the familiar, which
explains why the -isms are comfortably embraced by peoples
formerly ruled by various forms of tyranny in Europe and other
continents whereas the very notion is rejected by the peoples who
left those locals for the Americas where the rule of, by, and for the
people was established and now no other would be long tolerated
or endured.

This is just how I see it, feel free to discuss and disagree but please
check your rancor and ascription at the door, take it to another thread
or start one of your own dedicated to proving how brave, enlightened
and Rickles you are (/can be) while pretending that your fellow posters
dropped into that thread just to get a load of you. Feel free to engage
in your own brand of false expertise, but please, in the name of the
Gods and Buddhas, don’t Google up and subsequently cut and paste
the definitions that you prefer. Originality of thought is valued most.
As the old proverb states: There is a mountain and at the bottom of
the mountain are many paths and many guides. All paths lead to the
top of the mountain.

Ok number two....the question is....

Who is number 1?
 
"Me & the Collective" just means him and all of his alts. Of course, his thread title is an abomination to the English language.
 
You are Number Six.

The thing I love about the prisoner is....he is #1. (McGoohan)

And it isn't about Communism/Socialism at all

It is 100% about the "me" generation that was burgeoning at the time.
So many folks missed the point and went towards the "cold war" over tones which I thought were done very well.

It is definitely meladramtic and takes itself too seriously...again....commentary on the "me" generation and the Uber individual.
 
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