McVey Execution
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I think he should die. I also think that any survivors and families of those who lost someone should have the choice to see him die (They are still allowing that, right?)
I don't think it should be a media circus, but what else do we expect.
I personally fully support the death penalty... I just wish that I had more confidence in our court systems.
I don't think it should be a media circus, but what else do we expect.
I personally fully support the death penalty... I just wish that I had more confidence in our court systems.
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Hell just sent word...
of a dire need for blankets.
I have been reluctant to comment on the whole Mcveigh fiasco/media circus.
It is known that I am for the most part against the death penalty. It is not because I have any great pity or feelings of mercy for those who commit murder. It has little affect on me when an execution takes place.
My reasons for opposing the death penalty are varied. It is the uneven application of this final and irreversible punishment that concerns me the most. The recent and none too rare reversal of a good number of convictions and near executions has made it clear that we have undoubtedly executed more than a few innocents in the past. This I cannot stomach. The death of a thousand true killers doesn't justify one innocent being put to death.
That said, I have no doubt about this morons guilt. The difference is that this killer was given a multi million dollar defense to assure that he received a fair trial. Can the same be said for every other inmate facing the death penalty?
Death is not a deterrant to those inclined to kill. Those who kill spontaneously and in anger or for a "cause" don't care, and those who coldly premeditate their acts believe they will not be caught. Neither one thinks or cares of the consequences they may face. How many of you have refrained from murder simply because you were afraid of getting the death penalty? Not too many I hope. "Damn...I would kill that guy but I might get executed so I will pass."
My best argument against capital punishment is a philosophical one. Why do we view death as a harsh punishment. We regularly put animals to sleep to "end their suffering". We even argue about whether a person should be allowed to die voluntarily to escape a life of pain and suffering. I can say without a doubt that if what happened to Christopher Reeve happened to me I would choose to go quietly and peacefully. Death to me is much less harsh than a lifetime cooped up in a cell to think on what I am missing. Everything that you do or that affects you in your life dictated by others. What or when you eat, when you sleep what you can watch. When you can exercize. Everything.
McVeigh will simply go to sleep. No pain no suffering. It will be like getting your wisdom teeth out. First an IV then sodium pentathol to anesthetize him and render him unconscious and then potassium chloride to stop his heart. No pain. I think the survivors of the victims are going to be very disappointed.
I think being confined to a cell for the rest of your life with everything you do controlled by others is much worse than death. Picture a 60 year old McVeigh shuffling around in his cell. No memories of the touch of a woman or the fellowship of friends, no memories of anything but those four walls and the things he did to get him there. Alone with his hatred and forgotten by those who he tried to emulate and be acepted by.
Manson is pathetic and I think he knows it. Better yet those who admired him and followed him know it and can see it.
There are those among the severe right wing who will make him a martyr. He did with Waco and to believe he is the only one is naive. And they will think their actions out a bit more.
As for the cost...it is built in...we will not save much by executing him. The cell is still there and the guards will still be there so the money will be spent regardless of whether he is there or not.
....and most important he wants to die.
And to make it all worthwhile...let's let Deborah visit him with her strap on...
While his militia buddies look on.
[Edited by Thumper on 05-12-2001 at 08:10 AM]
of a dire need for blankets.
WriterDom said:
I have been reluctant to comment on the whole Mcveigh fiasco/media circus.
It is known that I am for the most part against the death penalty. It is not because I have any great pity or feelings of mercy for those who commit murder. It has little affect on me when an execution takes place.
My reasons for opposing the death penalty are varied. It is the uneven application of this final and irreversible punishment that concerns me the most. The recent and none too rare reversal of a good number of convictions and near executions has made it clear that we have undoubtedly executed more than a few innocents in the past. This I cannot stomach. The death of a thousand true killers doesn't justify one innocent being put to death.
That said, I have no doubt about this morons guilt. The difference is that this killer was given a multi million dollar defense to assure that he received a fair trial. Can the same be said for every other inmate facing the death penalty?
Death is not a deterrant to those inclined to kill. Those who kill spontaneously and in anger or for a "cause" don't care, and those who coldly premeditate their acts believe they will not be caught. Neither one thinks or cares of the consequences they may face. How many of you have refrained from murder simply because you were afraid of getting the death penalty? Not too many I hope. "Damn...I would kill that guy but I might get executed so I will pass."
My best argument against capital punishment is a philosophical one. Why do we view death as a harsh punishment. We regularly put animals to sleep to "end their suffering". We even argue about whether a person should be allowed to die voluntarily to escape a life of pain and suffering. I can say without a doubt that if what happened to Christopher Reeve happened to me I would choose to go quietly and peacefully. Death to me is much less harsh than a lifetime cooped up in a cell to think on what I am missing. Everything that you do or that affects you in your life dictated by others. What or when you eat, when you sleep what you can watch. When you can exercize. Everything.
McVeigh will simply go to sleep. No pain no suffering. It will be like getting your wisdom teeth out. First an IV then sodium pentathol to anesthetize him and render him unconscious and then potassium chloride to stop his heart. No pain. I think the survivors of the victims are going to be very disappointed.
I think being confined to a cell for the rest of your life with everything you do controlled by others is much worse than death. Picture a 60 year old McVeigh shuffling around in his cell. No memories of the touch of a woman or the fellowship of friends, no memories of anything but those four walls and the things he did to get him there. Alone with his hatred and forgotten by those who he tried to emulate and be acepted by.
Manson is pathetic and I think he knows it. Better yet those who admired him and followed him know it and can see it.
There are those among the severe right wing who will make him a martyr. He did with Waco and to believe he is the only one is naive. And they will think their actions out a bit more.
As for the cost...it is built in...we will not save much by executing him. The cell is still there and the guards will still be there so the money will be spent regardless of whether he is there or not.
....and most important he wants to die.
And to make it all worthwhile...let's let Deborah visit him with her strap on...
While his militia buddies look on.[Edited by Thumper on 05-12-2001 at 08:10 AM]
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Re: Hell just sent word...
I agree with most of what you say, Thumper. But last I read, Manson still has a loyal following. Even after all these years, there are nuts who would take up with him again if he were ever released.Thumper said:
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You are correct Cheyenne.
But there are undoubtedly others that have come to see the light and recognized the idiocy of Manson and his "philosophy". At least they can't pretend that he would have succeeded in his revolution if he had lived. If he had been executed they could have kept his vision, no matter how skewed, alive.
Nothing more pathetic than an old decrepit fool.
There will always be sheep/morons out there that will follow the first svengali they come across.
I am now assembling followers to join my "family"....
Hey, it worked for Manson...he was short, homely, rarely bathed, and lived in a barn in the desert but he got laid alot.
You are correct Cheyenne.
But there are undoubtedly others that have come to see the light and recognized the idiocy of Manson and his "philosophy". At least they can't pretend that he would have succeeded in his revolution if he had lived. If he had been executed they could have kept his vision, no matter how skewed, alive.
Nothing more pathetic than an old decrepit fool.
There will always be sheep/morons out there that will follow the first svengali they come across.
I am now assembling followers to join my "family"....
Hey, it worked for Manson...he was short, homely, rarely bathed, and lived in a barn in the desert but he got laid alot.
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Thumper hit my point square onthe head with the Manson example. Anyone who wanted to romantacize need only look to the 60 Minutes interview conducted, what, maybe a decade ago. You could see for yourself, the truth of the man.
Point two: You let him be in control. You talk about what he knew when he did it. But I want to talk about what he still knows. I want to know if this was an assault by white supremists or arab terrorists. Keep him until he cracks. Give him no hope of death. He longs to be a maytr,
but more important,
He want to be Lee Harvey Aswold. He wants the mistery, he wants us to always wonder about him, his motives, who put him up to it. It's about him, hijm, him, and you want to let him go out a hero in his mind and
I SAY NEVER!
Keep him like a museum piece or a curiosity and bombbard him with religion, humanity, remorse, until that little rat bastard breaks and tells us what really went on and who was in involved.
Then you may dispose of him however.
Point two: You let him be in control. You talk about what he knew when he did it. But I want to talk about what he still knows. I want to know if this was an assault by white supremists or arab terrorists. Keep him until he cracks. Give him no hope of death. He longs to be a maytr,
but more important,
He want to be Lee Harvey Aswold. He wants the mistery, he wants us to always wonder about him, his motives, who put him up to it. It's about him, hijm, him, and you want to let him go out a hero in his mind and
I SAY NEVER!
Keep him like a museum piece or a curiosity and bombbard him with religion, humanity, remorse, until that little rat bastard breaks and tells us what really went on and who was in involved.
Then you may dispose of him however.
