Mature Mature?

[3113]

I was thinking about the "Mature" story category and now I'm wondering....

1) At what age spread does it become "Mature"? 10-year spread? 20-year?

2) Is it "mature" if the spread is later in life? A 40-year-old with a 60-year-old? Or does it only really count between a 20-year-old and a 40-year-old? (I grant you that there's a far larger difference in maturity and mentality in the latter than in the former).

3) Can one write a realistic, MATURE story of this romance? Frankly speaking, young 20-somethings usually are still finding themselves. Mature as some can be, most need to move through that 20-something experience of first jobs, searching-for-Mr./Ms. Right, etc. And 40-somethings have already found themselves and lived through all that. They've been on the job for 15 years, they've been divorced, had kids. Everything the young 20-something is going through the 40-something can say, "Been there. done that."...can the two really get beyond a father/daugher or mother/son relationship? Or is this what readers want so why bother trying?

4) Is there a way to get beyond the inherent...er...sleaziness of the mature man with a young girl? That he's not just going through a mid-life crisis where he divorces the faithful old wife, buys a fast car and gets himself a young chicky as arm candy? And how can we avoid mention of the "little blue pill" that he needs to keep up with the sexual appetite of his much younger girlfriend?

Come to that, how can we avoid the gigolo image of the older woman with the younger guy? Or, in either case, the feeling that the older person is taking advantage of the younger (being smarter, more manipulative...a Mrs. Robinson type), or that the younger person is taking advantage of the pathetic-but-rich old person (Anna Nichole Smith seeming to take advantage of a rich, very old husband)?

Is there a mature way to write a mature story?

 

[lucky-E-leven]

I never understood the mature category to differentiate between an age spread, merely that at least one of the main characters was 'mature'. How I define mature probably begins in the mid-to late fifties, I guess. I haven't spent much time thinking on it, to be honest. I have, however, begun fleshing out a story idea I've had for a really long time and was considering placing it in the mature categoery, though I'm not sure they'll take it because it revolves around all women. At any rate, I never thought the mature category was for age gaps between characters, i.e. 20 y.o. Female + 60 y.o. Male. I just thought it had to include folks that weren't in their 20's & 30's.

 

[3113]

At any rate, I never thought the mature category was for age gaps between characters, i.e. 20 y.o. Female + 60 y.o. Male. I just thought it had to include folks that weren't in their 20's & 30's.

Category description from the Index:

Mature: May / December lust & love affairs.

Not that such definitions are cast in stone, but, clearly, the original intention of the category was to sate those who want to read about, well, age-gap-romances.

 

[rgraham666]

I've done one story so far that I put in Mature. It wasn't sleazy. The only reason I put it in Mature was because of the age gap between the central characters.

I put the sequel to it in Romance. I decided the age difference didn't matter.

I've done one story where both characters were well into their forties. I stuck that in Romance as well.

My very first story was a Romance, but could have been Mature.

Dunno if this adds anything. I guess it's up to the authour as always as to what category a story goes into.

 

[janiexx]

I was thinking about the "Mature" story category and now I'm wondering....

1) At what age spread does it become "Mature"? 10-year spread? 20-year?

2) Is it "mature" if the spread is later in life? A 40-year-old with a 60-year-old? Or does it only really count between a 20-year-old and a 40-year-old? (I grant you that there's a far larger difference in maturity and mentality in the latter than in the former).

3) Can one write a realistic, MATURE story of this romance? Frankly speaking, young 20-somethings usually are still finding themselves. Mature as some can be, most need to move through that 20-something experience of first jobs, searching-for-Mr./Ms. Right, etc. And 40-somethings have already found themselves and lived through all that. They've been on the job for 15 years, they've been divorced, had kids. Everything the young 20-something is going through the 40-something can say, "Been there. done that."...can the two really get beyond a father/daugher or mother/son relationship? Or is this what readers want so why bother trying?

4) Is there a way to get beyond the inherent...er...sleaziness of the mature man with a young girl? That he's not just going through a mid-life crisis where he divorces the faithful old wife, buys a fast car and gets himself a young chicky as arm candy? And how can we avoid mention of the "little blue pill" that he needs to keep up with the sexual appetite of his much younger girlfriend?

Come to that, how can we avoid the gigolo image of the older woman with the younger guy? Or, in either case, the feeling that the older person is taking advantage of the younger (being smarter, more manipulative...a Mrs. Robinson type), or that the younger person is taking advantage of the pathetic-but-rich old person (Anna Nichole Smith)?

Is there a mature way to write a mature story?

I could write my own Mature story for this section...

I was 20 when I met my 41 year old husband, and we're still together after 18 years...

I was mature for 20 and the age gap has never been a problem, although I'm not sure if I would be happy about my daughter doing the same thing.

I'll always have an attraction for older men and it's men in their forties that attract me the most...

janiexx

Oh,and before anyone jumps to conclusions - hubby had been divorced for a year before we got together

 

[Boxlicker101]

I was thinking about the "Mature" story category and now I'm wondering....

1) At what age spread does it become "Mature"? 10-year spread? 20-year?

2) Is it "mature" if the spread is later in life? A 40-year-old with a 60-year-old? Or does it only really count between a 20-year-old and a 40-year-old? (I grant you that there's a far larger difference in maturity and mentality in the latter than in the former).

3) Can one write a realistic, MATURE story of this romance? Frankly speaking, young 20-somethings usually are still finding themselves. Mature as some can be, most need to move through that 20-something experience of first jobs, searching-for-Mr./Ms. Right, etc. And 40-somethings have already found themselves and lived through all that. They've been on the job for 15 years, they've been divorced, had kids. Everything the young 20-something is going through the 40-something can say, "Been there. done that."...can the two really get beyond a father/daugher or mother/son relationship? Or is this what readers want so why bother trying?

4) Is there a way to get beyond the inherent...er...sleaziness of the mature man with a young girl? That he's not just going through a mid-life crisis where he divorces the faithful old wife, buys a fast car and gets himself a young chicky as arm candy? And how can we avoid mention of the "little blue pill" that he needs to keep up with the sexual appetite of his much younger girlfriend?

Come to that, how can we avoid the gigolo image of the older woman with the younger guy? Or, in either case, the feeling that the older person is taking advantage of the younger (being smarter, more manipulative...a Mrs. Robinson type), or that the younger person is taking advantage of the pathetic-but-rich old person (Anna Nichole Smith)?

Is there a mature way to write a mature story?

I have only written one story in this category and it involved George Boxlicker, who is in his forties with a woman in her sixties. This would be more a gigolo type story except there was no tangible payment of any kind. I have written others with a big age difference but they were posted to other places, especially "First Time".

I have started a series featuring Mrs. Marian Robinson, who is in her late forties, and the neighbor's 18 year old son. She seduces him into mowing her lawn cheap and then realizes he can attend to her horniness also. Although she is manipulative, he is very happy to be manipulated. He has been peeping at her while she sun bathes or swims in her pool and masturbates to his fantasies over her, so he is extremely happy to become her sex partner. In future stories, she will be teaching him how to satisfy a woman. As far as I can see, the "Mrs. Robinson" kind of story portrays a "win-win" situation, with both parties benefiting. It is also expressing discontent that it never happened to me when I was a kid.

 

[oggbashan]

I put romance between mature citizens who do not have a significant age gap into the Mature category e.g. Hedgehog Feud and Golf Widower.

Why can't senior citizens have romance without a toy boy/girl?

Senior Og

 

[neonlyte]

I was thinking about the "Mature" story category and now I'm wondering....

Come to that, how can we avoid the gigolo image of the older woman with the younger guy? Or, in either case, the feeling that the older person is taking advantage of the younger (being smarter, more manipulative...a Mrs. Robinson type), or that the younger person is taking advantage of the pathetic-but-rich old person (Anna Nichole Smith)?

Is there a mature way to write a mature story?

I'm sure you commented on my Earth Day entry, 50ish woman with a guy 15years her junior. The story has received considerable praise - mostly for the characterisation, though the sex is pretty hot. If you want to remind yourself, it is Bird of Paradise in my sig.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I was thinking about the "Mature" story category and now I'm wondering....

1) At what age spread does it become "Mature"? 10-year spread? 20-year?

2) Is it "mature" if the spread is later in life? A 40-year-old with a 60-year-old? Or does it only really count between a 20-year-old and a 40-year-old? (I grant you that there's a far larger difference in maturity and mentality in the latter than in the former).

3) Can one write a realistic, MATURE story of this romance? Frankly speaking, young 20-somethings usually are still finding themselves. Mature as some can be, most need to move through that 20-something experience of first jobs, searching-for-Mr./Ms. Right, etc. And 40-somethings have already found themselves and lived through all that. They've been on the job for 15 years, they've been divorced, had kids. Everything the young 20-something is going through the 40-something can say, "Been there. done that."...can the two really get beyond a father/daugher or mother/son relationship? Or is this what readers want so why bother trying?

4) Is there a way to get beyond the inherent...er...sleaziness of the mature man with a young girl? That he's not just going through a mid-life crisis where he divorces the faithful old wife, buys a fast car and gets himself a young chicky as arm candy? And how can we avoid mention of the "little blue pill" that he needs to keep up with the sexual appetite of his much younger girlfriend?

Come to that, how can we avoid the gigolo image of the older woman with the younger guy? Or, in either case, the feeling that the older person is taking advantage of the younger (being smarter, more manipulative...a Mrs. Robinson type), or that the younger person is taking advantage of the pathetic-but-rich old person (Anna Nichole Smith)?

Is there a mature way to write a mature story?

I just wanted to add that, under no circumstances, would I think of Anna Nicole Smith as being a "pathetic-but-rich old person". For one thing, she is not old, being in her mid-thirties; for another, she is not pathetic. I have actually submitted a story about her, in the Celebrity category where it belongs, but it hasn't posted yet.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I put romance between mature citizens who do not have a significant age gap into the Mature category e.g. Hedgehog Feud and Golf Widower.

Why can't senior citizens have romance without a toy boy/girl?

Senior Og

In my one story in that category, the man is more of a sex therapist than a boy-toy. In the series I will be starting, he is more of a boy-toy but also a very willing learner. Very, very lucky is the young man who had an older woman to teach him the ways of sexually pleasing a woman.

 

[3113]

I just wanted to add that, under no circumstances, would I think of Anna Nicole Smith as being a "pathetic-but-rich old person".

Okay. Just for you I've edited that line so there is no more confusion. Didn't think anyone WOULD be confused, but I'm happy to spell things out for those who do get confused

 

[3113]

Why can't senior citizens have romance without a toy boy/girl?

Let's start over, shall we:

I am interested in is getting some insights and pointers on writing a story about a May/December romance. Because writing a May/December romance is, to my mind, like walking a mind field. It's way too easy to take a wrong step and have the story explode on you.

So I would like some help from other authors on the subject before trying to tackle it. I apologize if all those questions I asked about May/December relationships confused you. I especially apologize if I gave anyone the idea that I was completely unaware that people of a similar older age couldn't be romantically inclined towards each other. And I really don't give a rat's ass what kind of stories go into the Mature category.

I'd very much appreciate if we could forget I even mentioned the Mature Category.

I would LIKE to write a May/December romance that is real and touching--not just a stroke story about hot-and-experienced Mrs. Robinson and the randy boy-toy-next-door, or the mature older man who meets a sexy blond kitten-of-a-girl with an insatiable daddy complex.

If anyone has any tips on how to do this, I'd be most eager to hear them and most grateful.

 

[neonlyte]

Let's start over, shall we:

I am interested in is getting some insights and pointers on writing a story about a May/December romance. Because writing a May/December romance is, to my mind, like walking a mind field. It's way too easy to take a wrong step and have the story explode on you.

So I would like some help from other authors on the subject before trying to tackle it. I apologize if all those questions I asked about May/December relationships confused you. I especially apologize if I gave anyone the idea that I was completely unaware that people of a similar older age couldn't be romantically inclined towards each other. And I really don't give a rat's ass what kind of stories go into the Mature category.

I'd very much appreciate if we could forget I even mentioned the Mature Category.

I would LIKE to write a May/December romance that is real and touching--not just a stroke story about hot-and-experienced Mrs. Robinson and the randy boy-toy-next-door, or the mature older man who meets a sexy blond kitten-of-a-girl with an insatiable daddy complex.

If anyone has any tips on how to do this, I'd be most eager to hear them and most grateful.

My view, and I'm probably biased because it tends to be way I write, is to ensure the characters have reason for embarking upon the relationship. Where I tried to steer you in my earlier will serve an example:
- older partner had bad sexual experience early in life
- younger partner works in same field of activity
- older partner has reached the stage in life where company is desirable
- younger partner has a history/background that attracts them to an older partner
Laying the back story for both characters, rather than one, is likely to be essential if you want the story to hold any kind of credibility.

Just my 2p worth.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Let's start over, shall we:

I am interested in is getting some insights and pointers on writing a story about a May/December romance. Because writing a May/December romance is, to my mind, like walking a mind field. It's way too easy to take a wrong step and have the story explode on you.

So I would like some help from other authors on the subject before trying to tackle it. I apologize if all those questions I asked about May/December relationships confused you. I especially apologize if I gave anyone the idea that I was completely unaware that people of a similar older age couldn't be romantically inclined towards each other. And I really don't give a rat's ass what kind of stories go into the Mature category.

I'd very much appreciate if we could forget I even mentioned the Mature Category.

I would LIKE to write a May/December romance that is real and touching--not just a stroke story about hot-and-experienced Mrs. Robinson and the randy boy-toy-next-door, or the mature older man who meets a sexy blond kitten-of-a-girl with an insatiable daddy complex.

If anyone has any tips on how to do this, I'd be most eager to hear them and most grateful.

I think the idea of a "May-December" romance is kind of quaint, like the shame of unwed motherhood or the scandal of interracial or homosexual romance. The whole concept smacks of an earlier era

A man of 60, 65 years old is no longer a doddering geezer. Nor is the 60 year-old woman a dried-up old granny anymore. Blue pill, face-lift, vitamins and exercise - whatever it takes, ageism is going the way of sexism and racism.

If you want to know what a younger woman sees in an older man, I can tell you, because I hear about it, but it's not going to have the hearts and flowers charm of a May-December romance or smack of daddy-babyism either. If the relationship is any deeper than the sheer physical attraction an older person might feel for a younger one - the kind of trophy wife phenomenon - then most likely what brings them together and keeps them there is that they love each other and age be damned.

 

[rgraham666]

I would LIKE to write a May/December romance that is real and touching--not just a stroke story about hot-and-experienced Mrs. Robinson and the randy boy-toy-next-door, or the mature older man who meets a sexy blond kitten-of-a-girl with an insatiable daddy complex.

If anyone has any tips on how to do this, I'd be most eager to hear them and most grateful.

Make them people. Just as you would for any other story.

 

[duddle146]

James Russell Lowell said it best.

Make them people. Just as you would for any other story.

Perhaps you have to understand the yearning, the longing, older people can have to realized how wonderful a May/December romance can be. This James Russell Lowell poem is entitled, "Love" and for me it says it all. Just one old guys opinion.
Love

For love is blind, but with the fleshly eye,
That so it’s meaning may be more clear,
And Beauty is needful only at first,
As is a hand to guide an infant’s steps,
Fine natures need them not, their earnest look,
Pierces the body’s mask of thin disguise,
And beauty is ever revealed to them,
Behind the unshapely, meanest lump of clay,
With arms outstretched, and eager face a-blaze,
Yearning to be but understood and loved.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Let's start over, shall we:

I am interested in is getting some insights and pointers on writing a story about a May/December romance. Because writing a May/December romance is, to my mind, like walking a mind field. It's way too easy to take a wrong step and have the story explode on you.

So I would like some help from other authors on the subject before trying to tackle it. I apologize if all those questions I asked about May/December relationships confused you. I especially apologize if I gave anyone the idea that I was completely unaware that people of a similar older age couldn't be romantically inclined towards each other. And I really don't give a rat's ass what kind of stories go into the Mature category.

I'd very much appreciate if we could forget I even mentioned the Mature Category.

I would LIKE to write a May/December romance that is real and touching--not just a stroke story about hot-and-experienced Mrs. Robinson and the randy boy-toy-next-door, or the mature older man who meets a sexy blond kitten-of-a-girl with an insatiable daddy complex.

If anyone has any tips on how to do this, I'd be most eager to hear them and most grateful.

Okay, then how does this sound:

An attractive 30 yo woman comes to work in an office. She has two children and has just been through a tough divorce and has been out of the work force for a few years. Younger men there look at her and think she is vulnerable and available, and hit on her in a way that borders on sexual harassment. Since they remind her so much of her ex-husband, she wants nothing to do with them and is regarded as a cold bitch.

Another man, a 55 year old widower, is different. He is friendly and answers her rather naive questions. He treats her like a human being instead of a potential sex partner. Instead of talking about what a stud he is, or how ambitious, he talks about the flower garden he and his late wife had, and how he still maintains it. He is steadier than the others, working virtually every day and never showing up with a hangover.

They are drawn to each other and the romance goes from there. As long as you avoid too many cliches, it could work.

Or, you could just have them getting it on every day in the supply closet.

 

[Aurora Black]

The King of Smut strikes again!

 

[rgraham666]

Perhaps you have to understand the yearning, the longing, older people can have to realized how wonderful a May/December romance can be. This James Russell Lowell poem is entitled, "Love" and for me it says it all. Just one old guys opinion.
Love

For love is blind, but with the fleshly eye,
That so it’s meaning may be more clear,
And Beauty is needful only at first,
As is a hand to guide an infant’s steps,
Fine natures need them not, their earnest look,
Pierces the body’s mask of thin disguise,
And beauty is ever revealed to them,
Behind the unshapely, meanest lump of clay,
With arms outstretched, and eager face a-blaze,
Yearning to be but understood and loved.

Uhm, if you would, click on the link labeled 'My stuff' in my sig.

Read the stories Fatima, Bill and Ruby or Ruby and Bill.

Come back and we'll talk.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The King of Smut strikes again!

King of Smut, yes, but the situation I described could be made into a nice May-December romance. Or, it could be made into a stroke story.

 

[Aurora Black]

King of Smut, yes, but the situation I described could be made into a nice May-December romance. Or, it could be made into a stroke story.

You're rather versatile, Box.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
King of Smut, yes, but the situation I described could be made into a nice May-December romance. Or, it could be made into a stroke story.

You're rather versatile, Box.

Just because I wrote a sweet romance for Valentine's Day, I don't want people thinking I don't still write mostly smut.

 

[duddle146]

Ah - Box That's real integrity!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
King of Smut, yes, but the situation I described could be made into a nice May-December romance. Or, it could be made into a stroke story.



Just because I wrote a sweet romaqnce for Valentine's Day, I don't want people thinking I don't still write mostly smut.

Any one who reads your stories should have no doubt. Boxlicker was, is, and will always be - the King of Smut. You always write a really sensuous intimate story that never disappoints.

 

[duddle146]

Silly question...

Any one who reads your stories should have no doubt. Boxlicker was, is, and will always be - the King of Smut. You always write a really sensuous intimate story that never disappoints.

Can someone please tell me for crying out loud, how do I get that word virgin out from under my name? I can't even remember that far back.

 

[rgraham666]

Can someone please tell me for crying out loud, how do I get that word virgin out from under my name? I can't even remember that far back.

It disappears at 30 posts as I recall.

Keep posting.