Materbation

[sweetnpetite]

is essentially a homosexual activity.

Think about it.

 

[Guest]

is essentially a homosexual activity.

Think about it.

I've never heard of it! Care to enlighten me?



(You can smack me, too, for being cheeky.)

 

[impressive]

is essentially a homosexual activity.

Think about it.

Agreed.

I have a bit of a problem with those who insist that it's possible to be purely heterosexual -- and yet masturbate.

 

[poohlive]

This is the exact reason why no one ever admits to doing it, and it's kept as some backyard, underground thing that only sees the light of day on HBO specials that borderline being informational and porn at the same time.

 

[Guest]

This is the exact reason why no one ever admits to doing it, and it's kept as some backyard, underground thing that only sees the light of day on HBO specials that borderline being informational and porn at the same time.

No one? Every man I've ever known (even slightly intimately, anyway) has freely admitted to doing it.

I do get you, though, some are embarrassed by admitting to it, but by no means all!

I actually find it an incredibly sexy thing to watch... especially if he's stood over me.

Lou

 

[impressive]

I actually find it an incredibly sexy thing to watch...

Oh, gods, YES -- and incredibly sexy to do together, irrespective of gender.

 

[sweetnpetite]

No one? Every man I've ever known (even slightly intimately, anyway) has freely admitted to doing it.

I do get you, though, some are embarrassed by admitting to it, but by no means all!

I actually find it an incredibly sexy thing to watch... especially if he's stood over me.

Lou

I doubt that the 'straight' guys who brag about it (or freely admit, whatever) have considered the 'gay' implications of the act.

Yet more proof that we are essentially all bisexual. Like it or not.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Masturbation would, in this case, not be homosexual--as it lacks "another [person]" and isn't "between persons of the same sex".

Past that, I like it.

 

[R. Richard]

You are assuming auto-erotic activty. If a man gets a lady to do it for him, it is not auto-erotic.

 

[impressive]

No one? Every man I've ever known (even slightly intimately, anyway) has freely admitted to doing it.

I can count on one hand the number of women I've heard acknowledge masturbating, though (present company excluded, of course).

 

[poohlive]

but then if a man gets a lady to do it for him, it's not really masterbation then, is it?


I don't know... sure, in the privacy of their own homes, people will discuss masterbation, with lovers and whatnot. And, any college guy will freely spill the beans, but if you look at it scale wise... the number of people that do it and the number of people that ad mit it, there's just no contest.

Wasn't in an attorney general that said masterbation was a safe alternative to sex, and everyone threw such an outroar that she had to resign her post. That tells you just how in the dark this still is.

 

[lewdandlicentious]

QUOTE]Originally posted by sweetnpetite
is essentially a homosexual activity.

Think about it. [/QUOTE]


Firstly, is materbation something you do with your mother???

How's that homosexual then???



Secondly, more seriously, (though only slightly) OK, I thought about it. So, you rubbing your pussy, to make yourself come, dreaming of some stud, makes you a lesbian does it???


Same as I, pulling my pud, thinking about Angelina Jolie, (the sexiest woman on the planet btw) makes me gay????

OoooooKaaaaayyyyyy

Agreed.

I have a bit of a problem with those who insist that it's possible to be purely heterosexual -- and yet masturbate.

Yes, I'd say you have a problem, you're freaking loony mate!!!!

Oh, gods, YES -- and incredibly sexy to do together, irrespective of gender.

Sorry, watching another guy wank, while I do, doesn't do it for me!!!!

Now watching a woman play, while I do, now that's a whole different story!!!

I doubt that the 'straight' guys who brag about it (or freely admit, whatever) have considered the 'gay' implications of the act.

So if they haven't considered, then they must be, is that it????



Yet more proof that we are essentially all bisexual. Like it or not. [/QUOTE]

Proof?????

How????

Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Masturbation would, in this case, not be homosexual--as it lacks "another [person]" and isn't "between persons of the same sex".

Past that, I like it.

Wow Joe, didn't you grow up quickly????????


I like to masturbate because it feels good.

But now thanks to professor freaking sweet, that makes me gay!!!

 

[CharleyH]

is essentially a homosexual activity.

Think about it.

I get it - right away

Oh when you are good you are good, Sweet, and when you are brilliantly insightful, my god, my knees wobble.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al
Pronunciation: "hO-m&-'sek-sh(&-)w&l, -'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
1 : of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex
2 : of, relating to, or involving sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex

Masturbation would, in this case, not be homosexual--as it lacks "another [person]" and isn't "between persons of the same sex".

Past that, I like it.

regardless, it's a man's hand on your cock and it's a man's cock in your hand. You were stimulated to orgasm by a man- there is no way to get around that. Other or not other. I don't care.

I could use the same logic to say that masterbation is not a sexual* activity at all- as sex involves two people (or that sex is sexual intercourse). Indeed, a similer argument *has* been made that lesbian sex is not sex, because sex involves penetration by a male.

Masterbation *is* sexual, and it's as homo (same) as you can get.

sex: Sexual intercourse. (the dictionary seems to agree with ex-President Clinton.)

 

[Guest]

regardless, it's a man's hand on your cock and it's a man's cock in your hand. You were stimulated to orgasm by a man- there is no way to get around that. Other or not other. I don't care.

I could use the same logic to say that masterbation is not a sexual* activity at all- as sex involves to people. Indeed, a similer argument *has* been made that lesbian sex is not sex, because sex involves penetration by a male.

Masterbation *is* sexual, and it's as homo (same) as you can get.

But, Sweet, I'm sure you can admit, as well as anyone else, that when a man masturbates (or a woman has a "play"), it is what they are actually thinking/fantasising about that is the crucial factor. I sure as hell think of a man when I'm getting myself off, not a woman, and getting myself off does not make me a lesbian.

 

[impressive]

Sorry, watching another guy wank, while I do, doesn't do it for me!!!!

It might not be something you seek -- or that you fantasize about -- but I'd bet good money that ANY person cannot watch another person (regardless of gender) masturbate without becoming aroused themselves.

Does it make you gay? Of course not.

I believe it'd hold just as true for a gay man watching a woman masturbate or a lesbian watching a man masturbate.

Does it lend credence to the theory that we're all ultimately bisexual? Sure does.

Is it something to hide/fear? Hardly. It's something to celebrate!

 

[sweetnpetite]

But, Sweet, I'm sure you can admit, as well as anyone else, that when a man masturbates (or a woman has a "play"), it is what they are actually thinking/fantasising about that is the crucial factor. I sure as hell think of a man when I'm getting myself off, not a woman, and getting myself off does not make me a lesbian.

Nope. think about it. Would a 'straight' guy have sex with a trasvestite and still be straight because he was imagining he was a girl?

how would that be different from thinking that as long as you are the penetrator (and not the penetratee) you can do a guy, and still be straight? (particularly if you 'pretend' that its a woman your screwing?)

 

[Guest]

Nope. think about it. Would a 'straight' guy have sex with a trasvestite and still be straight because he was imagining he was a girl?

how would that be different from thinking that as long as you are the penetrator (and not the penetratee) you can do a guy, and still be straight? (particularly if you 'pretend' that its a woman your screwing?)

Sweet, I'm gonna presume you're having a laugh with this whole thread, because this is making bugger all sense to me!!!

I just know what I like and like what turns me on, and also love what feels good. To me, it's as simple as that.

Lou

 

[impressive]

But, Sweet, I'm sure you can admit, as well as anyone else, that when a man masturbates (or a woman has a "play"), it is what they are actually thinking/fantasising about that is the crucial factor. I sure as hell think of a man when I'm getting myself off, not a woman, and getting myself off does not make me a lesbian.

Is there a "crucial factor" at play? Has someone of the same sex never slipped into a fantasy (or a sleeping dream)? Was it still hot?

(Not attacking, dear. Just discussing. This is a topic of interest to me -- especially growing up in a small, extraordinarily homophobic town.)

 

[sweetnpetite]

Who-hooo! Yeah! You got it!

I think that most who are either bisexual or accepting that they *could* be bisexual are easily willing to see the truth in my statement.

While those who's self image is highly dependant on them being 'straight' are going to balk at the idea.

It might not be something you seek -- or that you fantasize about -- but I'd bet good money that ANY person cannot watch another person (regardless of gender) masturbate without becoming aroused themselves.

Does it make you gay? Of course not.

I believe it'd hold just as true for a gay man watching a woman masturbate or a lesbian watching a man masturbate.

Does it lend credence to the theory that we're all ultimately bisexual? Sure does.

Is it something to hide/fear? Hardly. It's something to celebrate!

 

[Guest]

Is there a "crucial factor" at play? Has someone of the same sex never slipped into a fantasy (or a sleeping dream)? Was it still hot?

(Not attacking, dear. Just discussing. This is a topic of interest to me -- especially growing up in a small, extraordinarily homophobic town.)

Well, yes, I'll admit that I have had same sex fantasies, but I also freely admit that I do have slight bi-tendancies. I have never claimed to be completely straight.

But, you could never, ever, not in a million years, convince me that Lew is Bi/Gay. HAHAHA!!! Just using him as an example, because he was so vocal in this thread, that's all.

And, aha! I think we have touched on what might be the "thing" here. We're British, love, much more open and liberal in the way we are.

Lou

 

[impressive]

And, aha! I think we have touched on what might be the "thing" here. We're British, love, much more open and liberal in the way we are.

Lou

Hmmmm ... that's news to me. Really. I'd never heard the generalization ... and I'm not British. Born, raised, and reside in the States.

 

[Joe Wordsworth]

Originally posted by sweetnpetite
regardless, it's a man's hand on your cock and it's a man's cock in your hand. You were stimulated to orgasm by a man- there is no way to get around that. Other or not other. I don't care.

Well... see, that brings up interesting issues. What if it doesn't involve a hand at all? What if its the humping of a cushion or the vibration of a lawnmower on your crotch or a device? Is it then "masturbation is cushion-motion-sexual or lawnmower-sexual or plastic-sexual"? There are a ton of ways "around that".

Is being masturbated by a woman, and yourself being male, a homosexual act? If "masturbation is homosexual", then it follows logically that it must be true that all cases of masturbation is homosexual... unless you meant only "touching yourself is homosexual".

In that case, you're using a subset of "masturbation" not the entirety of it. Then we get to "homosexual". By definition, homosexuality involves, like heterosexuality, other people. Can one be gay by themselves? Sure. Can one be gay with no desire for other men, sexually, at all? Doesn't appear so. So, if a man is masturbating, and has no sexual desire for other men, how can it be homosexual?

It would seem more accurate to call it "self-sexual" or something.

I could use the same logic to say that masterbation is not a sexual* activity at all- as sex involves two people (or that sex is sexual intercourse). Indeed, a similer argument *has* been made that lesbian sex is not sex, because sex involves penetration by a male.

Main Entry: sex·u·al
Pronunciation: 'sek-sh(&-)w&l, 'sek-sh&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin sexualis, from Latin sexus sex
1 : of, relating to, or associated with sex or the sexes <sexual differentiation> <sexual conflict>
2 : having or involving sex <sexual reproduction>

Masturbation, as it relates to and associates with sex, would be sexual. I don't see how the logic I've used says otherwise. "Sexual" relates to sex, but is not, by definition, limited to more than one person. A poem could be sexual, without relating to others (by definition); but couldn't be "homosexual" unless it referred to same sex between two people.

Sexual intercourse is one part of a series of things that define sex. Not sure how you're intending that to be referrent.

Masterbation *is* sexual, and it's as homo (same) as you can get.

Masturbation is sexual, I agree. But, not to get into the logic too heavily, it doesn't involve "same". Its a semantic thing, I don't think you want me going into that.

 

[Guest]

Hmmmm ... that's news to me. Really. I'd never heard the generalization ... and I'm not British. Born, raised, and reside in the States.

I know, sweetie. I'm British, so is Lew.

 

[sweetnpetite]

the only other definition of 'sex' found on Dictionary.com that has anything to do with sexual activitity (ie, instead of gender or whatever other meanings the word has)

"The sexual urge or instinct as it manifests itself in behavior." That could mean just about anything, but I will point out that it says, "as it manifests itself in *behavior* rather than 'as it manifests itself in *thoughts*.

as I said, here is the definition of sexual intercourse from the Meriam Webster medical dictionary:

Main Entry: sexual intercourse
Function: noun
1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : COITUS

this definition could easily be used to 'prove' that gay sex is not sex at all. (in which case, what the hell is wrong with it?) Or that two men, or two woman could not have intercourse.