Master/slave VS.?

[slaveskinky]

I have seen much discussion on varied topic's in BDSM (kink)to Dominate/Submissive.

Since i live 24/7 as a slave to BikerMaster. i wonder what others know or have thoughts on, this avenue of living. my submission is not just in the bedroom but in every area of my existance with Biker.

Example: How would the trust level differ from that of a submissive in play, or the control of his/her life decisions?

slave

A slave's Journey
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[Esclava]

To be honest, slave, I've never known the freedom of a 24/7 relationship with my Master.

For me, I would have to love and trust Him enough to be imprisoned in His love. That is the only way I could be happy giving up the indepence I have had all my life. But if my independent spirit is pleasing to Him, there is no guarantee that I would be the same person if I was to give control of my entire life into the hands of One - even if I loved Him deeply.

Then again, I might be punished every night for being insubordinate...

Esclava

 

[slaveskinky]

i could not love another more.

Esclava,

i fell hard for this Man from the first moment i spoke to Him, and yes i grew to trust Him enough to offer my soul up too Him. you are right, it would change you at the core of your being. i was as independant as any female could be.

Punishment? Well depends on what one calls punishment.. if it brings pleasure *G* i wouldnt call it that. Biker's way of (punishment) is harsher than any spanking, flogging or even caning would be. Laughs

slave

A slaves Journey
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[sunfox]

If I read the question correctly, and do feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I don't feel there's much of a difference in trust.

My relationship cannot really be termed 24/7. Much of the day, our power exchange is relatively equal. But that also depends on the mood he is in, etc.

I am a submissive, not a slave, and due to a small child, and a lack of desire, would never pursue a heavier power exchange, most likely. But that doesn't, for me, make my need for trust any less.

I knew my partner for four years before we began a relationship, and even so, it took me quite a while before I was willing to take it to a BDSM, D/s level.

Regardless of whether it's in the bedroom (or in our case, the living room, the bathroom, the stairs, the kitchen... hmm. Is it getting hot in here? ) or 24/7... I think the need for trust is no greater in a slave than it is in a less committed submissive. Trust is trust, on most scales. Once it is given, to allow someone full control over you, it is given... whether it is only during sexual situations, or at all moments of the day.

My .02 cents.

 

[Esclava]

Agreed, sunfox!

Even though I am not in a 24/7 relationship, it does not negate the amount or level of trust I have placed in Master J (or Mistress M). I take issues that don't require an immediate decision to Them and ask Their counsel on almost every other event in my life. I trust Them completely - They have never guided me wrong. It is my love for Them that allows me to trust so completely and when love is the basis of trust, you can never have or give too much of it.

Esclava

 

[MissTaken]

I really enjoyed this post.,...

The sense I get is that there is freedom in slavery. To trust completely, whether with ownership or simply with your vehicle repairs does offer freedom and comfort.

Further your reference to His valuing your independant spirit .....yes, slaves and subs with independant spirits seem to be more common in my limited experience than milktoast subbies.

To answer the initial question:

I don't see there being a difference in trust required between slave and submissive.

To be honest, slave, I've never known the freedom of a 24/7 relationship with my Master.

For me, I would have to love and trust Him enough to be imprisoned in His love. That is the only way I could be happy giving up the indepence I have had all my life. But if my independent spirit is pleasing to Him, there is no guarantee that I would be the same person if I was to give control of my entire life into the hands of One - even if I loved Him deeply.

Then again, I might be punished every night for being insubordinate...

Esclava

 

[Esclava]

From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the real difference between slaves and submissives is how much control is given to the Master out of love vs submission to a Dom in sexual situations. Are there other differences? Please help out a former sub who is re-learning the world of BDSM.

For me, that still doesn't change the amount or level of trust I have for One into whose hands I have placed my safety.

Esclava

 

[sunfox]

From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the real difference between slaves and submissives is how much control is given to the Master out of love vs submission to a Dom in sexual situations. Are there other differences? Please help out a former sub who is re-learning the world of BDSM.

For me, that still doesn't change the amount or level of trust I have for One into whose hands I have placed my safety.

Esclava

Esclava...

I don't think that's really the case, per se. The most basic difference I see between slaves and submissives is partially terminology... as there have been people on here I would think of as submissives who refer to themselves as slaves, and vice versa... and partly the issue of committment of totality.

As a submissive, I am not the Dominant force in our relationship. I am independent, and he does not guide every part of my life. But I wouldn't say our relationship is only in the bedroom, nor would I say because I am not a slave, that his control is gained out of something other than love.

Many submissives here are married to their Dominants. I would have to say that obviously, their submission is based at least in part in their love for their Dom/me, no matter what they call him/her, if not totally based in love. I am submissive to mine -because- I love him. If I did not... I wouldn't give my trust into his hands.

Perhaps some of the slaves should speak up too... I don't want to get the explanation wrong. But I am a submissive for one person, and one person only. He is my Dominant, and I obey him out of love... not a desire for kinky sex.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Esclava...

I don't think that's really the case, per se. The most basic difference I see between slaves and submissives is partially terminology... as there have been people on here I would think of as submissives who refer to themselves as slaves, and vice versa... and partly the issue of committment of totality.

As a submissive, I am not the Dominant force in our relationship. I am independent, and he does not guide every part of my life. But I wouldn't say our relationship is only in the bedroom, nor would I say because I am not a slave, that his control is gained out of something other than love.

Many submissives here are married to their Dominants. I would have to say that obviously, their submission is based at least in part in their love for their Dom/me, no matter what they call him/her, if not totally based in love. I am submissive to mine -because- I love him. If I did not... I wouldn't give my trust into his hands.

Perhaps some of the slaves should speak up too... I don't want to get the explanation wrong. But I am a submissive for one person, and one person only. He is my Dominant, and I obey him out of love... not a desire for kinky sex.

there is no difference besides a slave being a submissive who is owned by her Master. you cant be a slave if you arent owned....but you are still submissive.....did that make sense? i took nyquil lol

 

[redelicious]

From what I understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong), the real difference between slaves and submissives is how much control is given to the Master out of love vs submission to a Dom in sexual situations.
Esclava

To me it's a matter of limits, level of independance, and logistics.

I see a slave as someone who has few if any limits, has given up all ability to make choices for him or herself (though they may well have input depending on the relationship), and likely lives with his/her Master 24/7.

A sub in my mind has defined hard limits, leway to make certain decisions for him/herself (and family if that's the case), and may or may not live with her Dom/me.

A bottom, on the other hand, is submissive during the scene.

All of the above may be involved in loving relationships with their partners and their submission would certainly be an extension of that (as would switching, though that's probably another thread). Going back to the original question of trust... initially I want to say that naturally the level of trust in a Master/slave relationship must be higher, but then again that's fairly relative. After all, trust is imperative in all forms of D/s relationships due to the very nature of them.

 

[redelicious]

there is no difference besides a slave being a submissive who is owned by her Master. you cant be a slave if you arent owned....but you are still submissive.....did that make sense? i took nyquil lol

And there is that, too.

*having a duh moment*

 

[Esclava]

there is no difference besides a slave being a submissive who is owned by her Master. you cant be a slave if you arent owned....but you are still submissive.....did that make sense? i took nyquil lol

Understood - as I wear a chain for my Master. Were I closer to Him, He would have a pu$$y lip pierced and I would wear a ring for Him.

So, yes, I do believe that is the biggest difference...the aspect of being "owned" by Master. Thanks!

Esclava

 

[Netzach]

In my opinion and experience, a slave is owned and the entire purpose of the exchange between Master or Mistress and slave is for the M to benefit and make use of the s.

To me, having a slave live with me, boarding him/her/ (it, in my view) is out of the question, as it would inconvenience me unduly.

I don't have a very romanticized hearts and flowers view of slavery. I've had a slave in the past in a temporary arrangement, with a total intent for the arrangement to be temporary. I would make use of him until the idea no longer entertained me and then I would be through.

There's absolutely nothing to guarantee that there's anything rewarding in being my slave outside the pride in a task well done. One can expect many dry spells of no contact nor direction, much indulgence of my sadism, and friendly, respectful, non-romantic affection on the good days. It's not a popular tourist destination, but some rare people find this fulfilling in itself. Slave to me, is very different from submissive. Slave, to me, means you are seeking to abandon the demands of your very humanity.

Do I prefer to share my life, bed, and time with a submissive? Yes.

 

[Esclava]

In my opinion and experience, a slave is owned and the entire purpose of the exchange between Master or Mistress and slave is for the M to benefit and make use of the s.

... There's absolutely nothing to guarantee that there's anything rewarding in being my slave outside the pride in a task well done. ...

What else is a "good" slave to desire?

Esclava

 

[slaveskinky]

I hope

I hope i did not infer that being submissive was less than a slave. That was not my intent.If i did then i appologise, although some submissives friends, have told me they are different than i. i do not think the trust aspect to be lesser either. Control is the word i would say is more what makes my life different than subs, but there again that would be an individual thing. I am glad i brought this topic to the board. I find hearing different thoughts/opinions to be enlightening.
slave

 

[shelleb4]

oh?

But I am a submissive for one person, and one person only. He is my Dominant, and I obey him out of love... not a desire for kinky sex. [/B][/QUOTE]

So what am i then?, as the primal reason i will submit, is because of my desire for kinky sex?

 

[s'lara]

Re: oh?

But I am a submissive for one person, and one person only. He is my Dominant, and I obey him out of love... not a desire for kinky sex.

So what am i then?, as the primal reason i will submit, is because of my desire for kinky sex? [/B][/QUOTE]

Maybe i am misunderstanding the question shelleb4. Are you saying that the primal reason you submit is because of your need for kinky sex? Correct me if i am wrong.



lara

 

[Netzach]

What else is a "good" slave to desire?

Esclava

I've seen many a "good slave" with a long long laundry list.

Perfectly good submissives, I'd argue.

 

[sunfox]

Re: oh?

So what am i then?, as the primal reason i will submit, is because of my desire for kinky sex?

That's really for you to figure out, shelleb4. I don't know you, nor do I know how you define yourself other than what you choose to post.

I know what is factual for myself, not anyone else, and that is what my post alluded to.

 

[slaveskinky]

Adding another equation?

I am enjoying this discussion,
so let me add another dimension.

i'll just give a bit of insight into my Biker's house.
We are a poly House or have been but are currently seeking a new slave.
Imagine having to share the One you love with another on an emotional level. How would this change your level of trust? Would it create doubts or questions. Could you easily deal with this? Can you see the trust you have now being tested?
What other problems might be a part of the relationship?

The stories i write are centered around these issues.Still waiting patiently for them to be approved for posting. I do not always show myself in the best light., But it is a truthful examination of my life. Having everyone agree with my thoughts is not what i am looking for. Just hoping it stirs others into a good discussion.

 

[Moose's Lady]

there is no difference besides a slave being a submissive who is owned by her Master. you cant be a slave if you arent owned....but you are still submissive.....did that make sense? i took nyquil lol

i am slave. it's what i am. Doesn't matter if I am currently owned or not, i am slave in my soul, to my toes, with every breath..... it's what i am.

i would say it's more a matter of desire? perhaps? i won't be insulting and even intimate a deeper need, for all our needs are just as important.....
but on my self discovery tour, i've found the need, not want, but need to be owned, possessed..
it may not be that i am ever slave to One, but i am still slave. apart, needing, slowly going mad for the One to enslave. but still slave.

 

[Kajira Callista]

i am slave. it's what i am. Doesn't matter if I am currently owned or not, i am slave in my soul, to my toes, with every breath..... it's what i am.

i would say it's more a matter of desire? perhaps? i won't be insulting and even intimate a deeper need, for all our needs are just as important.....
but on my self discovery tour, i've found the need, not want, but need to be owned, possessed..
it may not be that i am ever slave to One, but i am still slave. apart, needing, slowly going mad for the One to enslave. but still slave.

Different insights are a wonderful me. Your opinions are yours and mine are mine. And its always nice to see anothers view. What you described there, in my eyes, is simply submission and the need to submit. Its kind of like marriage, you are a girlfriend/lover until the ring is slipped on your finger and the paper signed.....then you become a wife. You are still the same girlfriend/lover you were before, its just the title that changes. Same here in my opinion ...all just titles.
Submission is yours alone, doesnt matter how lightly you choose to tread or how deeply you choose to plunge into it, its still submission, and a submissive can't be a slave until she has found the One to possess,control and own her.

Just my 2 cents...without the nyquil this time

 

[Moose's Lady]

Different insights are a wonderful me. Your opinions are yours and mine are mine. And its always nice to see anothers view. What you described there, in my eyes, is simply submission and the need to submit. Its kind of like marriage, you are a girlfriend/lover until the ring is slipped on your finger and the paper signed.....then you become a wife. You are still the same girlfriend/lover you were before, its just the title that changes. Same here in my opinion ...all just titles.
Submission is yours alone, doesnt matter how lightly you choose to tread or how deeply you choose to plunge into it, its still submission, and a submissive can't be a slave until she has found the One to possess,control and own her.

Just my 2 cents...without the nyquil this time

Nyquil is a beautiful thing


I understand what you're saying..... I really do, and in part even agree with it.

I think what I was most trying to impart (and will try again now that I've had another cup of coffee), is that the person has to make that discovery for herself (feminine used only because it's easier for me). True, the Master would guide, teach, train, and slowly the discovery comes.....
but it is still within the heart of the girl. No manner of training makes a submissive into a slave. It comes from within, then and only then is it given.
Yes, I'm owned, every single inch, every thought, every temper fit (which I still occassionally have, and do pay for ) But as much as I give him..... my heart and soul knew I was slave, before him.
If he had not found me, i would still .......be slave.

I apologize if I've offended any with my opinions. It was never my intent.
slave vs submissive isn't a contest, nor is one better than the other..... we just are. Complete within ourselves, and better for it, I think..... because we're true to ourselves first.

 

[Kajira Callista]

Nyquil is a beautiful thing


I understand what you're saying..... I really do, and in part even agree with it.

I think what I was most trying to impart (and will try again now that I've had another cup of coffee), is that the person has to make that discovery for herself (feminine used only because it's easier for me). True, the Master would guide, teach, train, and slowly the discovery comes.....
but it is still within the heart of the girl. No manner of training makes a submissive into a slave. It comes from within, then and only then is it given.
Yes, I'm owned, every single inch, every thought, every temper fit (which I still occassionally have, and do pay for ) But as much as I give him..... my heart and soul knew I was slave, before him.
If he had not found me, i would still .......be slave.

I apologize if I've offended any with my opinions. It was never my intent.
slave vs submissive isn't a contest, nor is one better than the other..... we just are. Complete within ourselves, and better for it, I think..... because we're true to ourselves first.

And i absolutely agree 100% with your last statement, being true to ourselves is the best part of being who we are no matter how different we may seem to each other.

 

[sunfox]

Re: Adding another equation?

I am enjoying this discussion,
so let me add another dimension.

i'll just give a bit of insight into my Biker's house.
We are a poly House or have been but are currently seeking a new slave.
Imagine having to share the One you love with another on an emotional level. How would this change your level of trust? Would it create doubts or questions. Could you easily deal with this? Can you see the trust you have now being tested?
What other problems might be a part of the relationship?

The stories i write are centered around these issues.Still waiting patiently for them to be approved for posting. I do not always show myself in the best light., But it is a truthful examination of my life. Having everyone agree with my thoughts is not what i am looking for. Just hoping it stirs others into a good discussion.

I'm a poor one to answer this, and I think I've posted to something like this question before, though not including the trust aspect....

But I can not and will not share my partner with anyone else, so luckily, he has no desire for anyone but me. I am a deeply one person girl, to the core, and it would destroy my trust completely, beyond repair.

I have the utmost respect for those who are capable of sharing in such a deep way, because it is something I know myself to be incapable of. I look forward to the responses.