Masculine/feminine energy

[All_4_Love]

Before I begin, I’d like to start with the disclaimer that I may or not be very active in responding to this thread, as I’m posting this as a legitimate question for which I’m more interested in the opinions/answers from others than I am in sharing my own point of view.

That may change going forward…

This is the topic I’m interested in:

ENERGY…

Masculine/feminine

Dominant/submissive

Do you believe that masculine/feminine energy is the same as dominant/submissive energy?

Or do you believe there is a distinct difference between the two?

Can someone be very high in masculine energy but not dominant? Likewise, can someone be more feminine in energy but not submissive?

It would stand to reason, in my experience.

However, does this mean dominance/submissiveness is more of a disposition than energy?

And if so…

Do you believe a Dom/sub can “sense” their opposite, so to speak?

If so, that’s still energy….

Which means there must be a distinct difference between masculine and Dominant energy and feminine and submissive energy.

This is what I want to know. What would be the difference? How would it look? Feel? Show up as?

What say you?

Thank you in advance for anyone who chooses to offer their opinion.

Also, my apology if this has been discussed here before; I’m just returning from a long hiatus.

Thank you

 

[AG31]

ENERGY…

Masculine/feminine

Dominant/submissive

Do you believe that masculine/feminine energy is the same as dominant/submissive energy?

I'm not sure what masculine/feminine energy is. I'll just treat it going forward as "masculinity" and "femininity."
And no, I don't believe their the same, although I think the correlation between them is there, but on a bell curve.

Or do you believe there is a distinct difference between the two?

Obviously there's a distinct difference between dominant and submissive. That's why we have two words. Again we have the bell curve for the difference between masculine and feminine. I think those two qualities are made up of a host of distinct qualities, and only a subset need to be present for a being to qualify as "masculine" or "feminine."

Can someone be very high in masculine energy but not dominant?

Yes. Read any of my stories on Lit.

Likewise, can someone be more feminine in energy but not submissive?

Of course.

It would stand to reason, in my experience.

Well, we have different experiences.

However, does this mean dominance/submissiveness is more of a disposition than energy?

Dunno.

And if so…

Do you believe a Dom/sub can “sense” their opposite, so to speak?

Dunno. Nor do I think the terms dom and sub are appropriate to apply to all people who exhibit dominant or submissive "energy" as you call it. Dom and sub imply relationships beyond simply being a do-er or a done-to.

If so, that’s still energy….

Which means there must be a distinct difference between masculine and Dominant energy and feminine and submissive energy.

This is what I want to know. What would be the difference? How would it look? Feel? Show up as?

See above. Taking masculine/feminine and leaving out dominant and submissive, you've got facial hair (presence or lack), body hair, muscle definition, presence of curves, take-charge attitude, come hither attitude, low or high voice, relative height, probably different pheramones. As I said above, it only takes a subset of qualities to qualify a person as masculine or feminine.

What say you?

Thank you in advance for anyone who chooses to offer their opinion.

Also, my apology if this has been discussed here before; I’m just returning from a long hiatus.

Thank you

 

[IARainman]

I don’t think they are necessarily the same. For example, I think there can be true male submissive energy that really has no feminine component. Likewise there are princesses who possess and exhibit very feminine energy who are nonetheless very much in control. I think those equate to quite soft Domme dynamics.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Some quick examples:

Dominant with female energy: many versions of Barbie.

Submissive with masculine energy: walk into any gay male oriented leather bar and you'll find some. Sailor-boy here, for instance.

 

[StockingGirlJ]

The characteristics, traits, even cisgenderish framing of these questions is always problematical for me because I think that people are, well, just people, and they come in an infinite variety. The real rainbow of humanity does not have these sharp divisions between the colors.

Male, female, Dom, sub, etc. don't mean the same things to everyone. This should hardly comes as a surprise because we do not all experience the world the same way. And as for the male and female distinction: is gender identification, or for that matter, sexual orientation, genetic, learned or a combination of both and different in each case.

My husband is as overtly what this society would consider male, but he feels more at home going out to lunch with my girlfriends than he does with his guy friends, more at home, not prefers. He says that he just feels more comfortable. Was he born that way? Too much time spent in locker rooms? Do we just collectively smell better? I have no idea. He has good time with us. It makes him smile.

I could also ass why do I like him to smack my bottom and pull my hair? Daddy issues? Caveman genetics still lurking, the assumption being that cavemen clubbed the women, lightly I suppose, and then dragged them off by the hair before having their way with them? Watching too many 40s, 50s Hollywood women stars getting bent over a lap, skirts pulled up to expose their stocking tops, garter straps and (oh my word) panties before getting a good swat?

You asked what "we thought" because there no clear answers.

Unless and until we, as in all of us, create a new construct for how we see others, we will be stuck asking these kinds of questions, the answers to which I think don't matter. Yes, I am saying that my answers to these questions matter as little as anyone else's to any other person, well, that his, unless you happen to be a post-graduate student collecting information for a study or dissertation.

Now back to my movie and that manly Clark Gable picking up Joan Crawford and paddling her with a hairbrush after she declared her independence and slapped him. I just adore the end of the film when she expresses her devotion to Gable, not telling him she loves him but by handing him her hairbrush.

That message seems preposterous, but the thought of my husband pulling up my dress, adjusting my garter straps and panties just so and then taking a hairbrush to my bottom makes my chinks pink in anticipation. Why? I haven't the faintest idea. I just know that for me it's a good time and makes me smile from ear to ear.

 

[Deleted member 5428187]

One dimension of this discussion that may not be considered is the dichotomy between an individual’s natural instinctive inclinations and the pressure of societal norms. For instance a man might have certain dominant or submissive tendencies but is told that “real men” should not be one or the other. The same is true for women. There are few things more difficult than being told you should be something other than who you truly are.

The point being that humans may have certain gender inclinations but those often get buried or at least heavily influenced (distorted?) by intimidating societal pressures.

 

[varv]

dominance and inner energy are completely different concepts. It is enough to give an example of Stalin's inner energy. In his office, the vast majority sweated just from his silent gaze. And it wasn't the fear of the future, but the energy coming from it. The same can be said about Mahatma Gandhi. In his presence, only in his presence! Many were simply overwhelmed by an incomprehensible feeling of euphoria. Especially women and girls, despite his advanced years. What can we say about what happened to people when he personally talked to someone. And dominance? This is usually an ostentatious reaction. And often, it is demonstrated by far from strong and brave courageous people. And sometimes it's just that, latent cowards and losers. It's like small men in every sense, insecure, buying huge cars. Everyone is looking for a way to compensate for their shortcomings. Domination is one of these ways, in a psychological aspect.

 

[IrisAlthea]

Before I begin, I’d like to start with the disclaimer that I may or not be very active in responding to this thread, as I’m posting this as a legitimate question for which I’m more interested in the opinions/answers from others than I am in sharing my own point of view.

That may change going forward…

This is the topic I’m interested in:

ENERGY…

Masculine/feminine

Dominant/submissive

Do you believe that masculine/feminine energy is the same as dominant/submissive energy?

Or do you believe there is a distinct difference between the two?

Can someone be very high in masculine energy but not dominant? Likewise, can someone be more feminine in energy but not submissive?

It would stand to reason, in my experience.

However, does this mean dominance/submissiveness is more of a disposition than energy?

And if so…

Do you believe a Dom/sub can “sense” their opposite, so to speak?

If so, that’s still energy….

Which means there must be a distinct difference between masculine and Dominant energy and feminine and submissive energy.

This is what I want to know. What would be the difference? How would it look? Feel? Show up as?

What say you?

Thank you in advance for anyone who chooses to offer their opinion.

Also, my apology if this has been discussed here before; I’m just returning from a long hiatus.

Thank you

They are not the same, the way I see it, but then I don’t see one kind of feminine and one kind of masculine energy.
Mama Bear is not the same as Little Sister and most of us have a lot of different energies to tap into, depending on what needs to get done.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I’m all over the place when it comes to practicing femininity. I’ve never been a “girly girl”. Even when I get dressed up I don’t wear very much make-up.

Professionally I’ve always been the “take-charge” girl at the office. Not the big boss—the one who not only makes sure shit gets done, but that everyone is sane and happy. Kind of a stern “office mom”.

But when I’m alone with my man, I turn into a submissive little sex kitten. Strip me naked, pin me up against the wall, fuck me silly.

Is that “feminine energy”?

 

[cascadiabound]

I’m all over the place when it comes to practicing femininity. I’ve never been a “girly girl”. Even when I get dressed up I don’t wear very much make-up.

Professionally I’ve always been the “take-charge” girl at the office. Not the big boss—the one who not only makes sure shit gets done, but that everyone is sane and happy. Kind of a stern “office mom”.

But when I’m alone with my man, I turn into a submissive little sex kitten. Strip me naked, pin me up against the wall, fuck me silly.

Is that “feminine energy”?

I really don't find the term "feminine energy" to be a useful descriptor. If you identify as female, whatever energy you might exude would, by definition, be "feminine energy". Powerful, submissive, witchy, mom in charge, girly, butch, quiet, loud, introverted, domme, earthchild, hippie, bitch, artist, playful, serious, whatever.
You do you. Use descriptors as they are useful to you.

 

[cascadiabound]

I could not say what type of energy it is but pinning you up against the wall and fucking you silly sounds hot. I don't imagine you would resist. I have been on both sides of that desire.

No one asked what would be fun or hot for you. @BrightShinyGirl isn't trawling for men to Dom her. She has one.

This thread is for the discussion of feminine/masculine energy.

Be glad I'm not inclined to suggest what kind of masculine energy your post is exuding. They wouldn't be the most flattering traits.

 

[cascadiabound]

Suggest away! I am into humiliation too.

Nope. Not gonna reward that bs

Edit: And apparently me setting boundaries about what I will and won't engage in is enough to get me put on iggy.
His loss. Definitely not losing any sleep over that one.

 

[subdudeme13]

Nope. Not gonna reward that bs

No worries, my ingnore list just got longer.

 

[All_4_Love]

I’m stopping back in here to say…

Thank you everyone for your very thoughtful, intelligent, and well-written replies

This gives me much to reflect on

 

[EdwardsOtherSide]

 

[hrdmngd2find]

Before I begin, I’d like to start with the disclaimer that I may or not be very active in responding to this thread, as I’m posting this as a legitimate question for which I’m more interested in the opinions/answers from others than I am in sharing my own point of view.

That may change going forward…

This is the topic I’m interested in:

ENERGY…

Masculine/feminine

Dominant/submissive

Do you believe that masculine/feminine energy is the same as dominant/submissive energy?

Or do you believe there is a distinct difference between the two?

Can someone be very high in masculine energy but not dominant? Likewise, can someone be more feminine in energy but not submissive?

It would stand to reason, in my experience.

However, does this mean dominance/submissiveness is more of a disposition than energy?

And if so…

Do you believe a Dom/sub can “sense” their opposite, so to speak?

If so, that’s still energy….

Which means there must be a distinct difference between masculine and Dominant energy and feminine and submissive energy.

This is what I want to know. What would be the difference? How would it look? Feel? Show up as?

What say you?

Thank you in advance for anyone who chooses to offer their opinion.

Also, my apology if this has been discussed here before; I’m just returning from a long hiatus.

Thank you

You used the word "energy" which I like a lot. To me, after reading David Deida, feminine and masculine energy is not at all the same as femininity or masculinity. Deida, and I probably should paste some of his introduction in here, uses the word masculine and feminine energy to mean something that is not tied to biological gender or orientation. He also posits the notion that all genders have both energies, but that most people, not all, have one energy which is there primary or "home" energy. Some people are more balanced, Deida says this is less common, and that most have one type of energy which is naturally stronger in them.

A man therefore, can draw on feminine energy as the situation requires, and a woman can draw on her masculine energy as the situation demands. I find this very thing in my life constantly and I see it happening in others.

Deida's point in the intro to his book, The Way of the Superior Man, is very similar to Selena Kitt's article, "The Secret of Attraction." (https://www.literotica.com/s/the-secret-of-attraction) that couples should restore polarity to find passion. He lays out a little cultural history lesson about the evolution of gender meaning in the US since the 1950s, pointing out that in the 60s and 70s some people over-corrected from the rigid, stifling, prescriptive and sometimes abusive gender roles common in the 50s. He says that since the 80s people are rediscovering the value of polarity, which is the secret ingredient to attraction. Yes, you can be friends who fuck, but if you want the sparks, you should go more with your natural energy.

So what does that have to do with dominance and submission? Deida doesn't specific reference dominance and submission, but as he attempts to explain what masculine and feminine energy look and feel like, it sounds like the energy behind D & s. I am not going to claim this book is the answer to everything, btw. If you know of it, you might have some nitpicks or worse, but I like his analysis in the introduction. It matches my understanding of gender history and my personal experience having grown up in the 70s, as well as the trajectory of my life since I turned 40.

If I wasn't lazy and sorta busy, I would write a summary of what Deida describes as masculine energy and feminine energy. Many people think that feminine equates to prissy, silly, and weak, but some people equate submissiveness as that as well. I think this is a superficial formulation. In my experience, ones sexual kink in terms of D/s can be compensatory. If someone, man or woman is not living in their home energy very often, spends a lot of time drawing on their lessor energy, perhaps because of work or some other circumstance, then they develop a sort of pent-up hunger for finding it and expressing it in sex.

I have seen some very brash, accomplished, powerful women transform and become submissive, and not because I talked them into it or even brought it up, but because I let my masculine energy have its way during sex and they responded to that energy. I'm talking about a point in my life before I was conversant with specifics of BDSM. I didn't read about BDSM and then went to try it out. It just started happening at a place when I was going through a big life change and started "discovering" myself (happened to be right around when I turned 40). To me, masculine energy and dominance are as natural as rain.

 

[Escierto]

You used the word "energy" which I like a lot. To me, after reading David Deida, feminine and masculine energy is not at all the same as femininity or masculinity. Deida, and I probably should paste some of his introduction in here, uses the word masculine and feminine energy to mean something that is not tied to biological gender or orientation. He also posits the notion that all genders have both energies, but that most people, not all, have one energy which is there primary or "home" energy. Some people are more balanced, Deida says this is less common, and that most have one type of energy which is naturally stronger in them.

A man therefore, can draw on feminine energy as the situation requires, and a woman can draw on her masculine energy as the situation demands. I find this very thing in my life constantly and I see it happening in others.

Deida's point in the intro to his book, The Way of the Superior Man, is very similar to Selena Kitt's article, "The Secret of Attraction." (https://www.literotica.com/s/the-secret-of-attraction) that couples should restore polarity to find passion. He lays out a little cultural history lesson about the evolution of gender meaning in the US since the 1950s, pointing out that in the 60s and 70s some people over-corrected from the rigid, stifling, prescriptive and sometimes abusive gender roles common in the 50s. He says that since the 80s people are rediscovering the value of polarity, which is the secret ingredient to attraction. Yes, you can be friends who fuck, but if you want the sparks, you should go more with your natural energy. https://pdfdrive.com.co/the-way-of-the-superior-man-pdf/

So what does that have to do with dominance and submission? Deida doesn't specific reference dominance and submission, but as he attempts to explain what masculine and feminine energy look and feel like, it sounds like the energy behind D & s. I am not going to claim this book is the answer to everything, btw. If you know of it, you might have some nitpicks or worse, but I like his analysis in the introduction. It matches my understanding of gender history and my personal experience having grown up in the 70s, as well as the trajectory of my life since I turned 40.

If I wasn't lazy and sorta busy, I would write a summary of what Deida describes as masculine energy and feminine energy. Many people think that feminine equates to prissy, silly, and weak, but some people equate submissiveness as that as well. I think this is a superficial formulation. In my experience, ones sexual kink in terms of D/s can be compensatory. If someone, man or woman is not living in their home energy very often, spends a lot of time drawing on their lessor energy, perhaps because of work or some other circumstance, then they develop a sort of pent-up hunger for finding it and expressing it in sex.

I have seen some very brash, accomplished, powerful women transform and become submissive, and not because I talked them into it or even brought it up, but because I let my masculine energy have its way during sex and they responded to that energy. I'm talking about a point in my life before I was conversant with specifics of BDSM. I didn't read about BDSM and then went to try it out. It just started happening at a place when I was going through a big life change and started "discovering" myself (happened to be right around when I turned 40). To me, masculine energy and dominance are as natural as rain.

Very interesting comment.

 

[AG31]

https://pdfdrive.com.co/the-way-of-the-superior-man-pdf/

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[hrdmngd2find]

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ok. Thanks... I'll remove it.

 

[All_4_Love]

You used the word "energy" which I like a lot. To me, after reading David Deida, feminine and masculine energy is not at all the same as femininity or masculinity. Deida, and I probably should paste some of his introduction in here, uses the word masculine and feminine energy to mean something that is not tied to biological gender or orientation. He also posits the notion that all genders have both energies, but that most people, not all, have one energy which is there primary or "home" energy. Some people are more balanced, Deida says this is less common, and that most have one type of energy which is naturally stronger in them.

A man therefore, can draw on feminine energy as the situation requires, and a woman can draw on her masculine energy as the situation demands. I find this very thing in my life constantly and I see it happening in others.

Deida's point in the intro to his book, The Way of the Superior Man, is very similar to Selena Kitt's article, "The Secret of Attraction." (https://www.literotica.com/s/the-secret-of-attraction) that couples should restore polarity to find passion. He lays out a little cultural history lesson about the evolution of gender meaning in the US since the 1950s, pointing out that in the 60s and 70s some people over-corrected from the rigid, stifling, prescriptive and sometimes abusive gender roles common in the 50s. He says that since the 80s people are rediscovering the value of polarity, which is the secret ingredient to attraction. Yes, you can be friends who fuck, but if you want the sparks, you should go more with your natural energy.

So what does that have to do with dominance and submission? Deida doesn't specific reference dominance and submission, but as he attempts to explain what masculine and feminine energy look and feel like, it sounds like the energy behind D & s. I am not going to claim this book is the answer to everything, btw. If you know of it, you might have some nitpicks or worse, but I like his analysis in the introduction. It matches my understanding of gender history and my personal experience having grown up in the 70s, as well as the trajectory of my life since I turned 40.

If I wasn't lazy and sorta busy, I would write a summary of what Deida describes as masculine energy and feminine energy. Many people think that feminine equates to prissy, silly, and weak, but some people equate submissiveness as that as well. I think this is a superficial formulation. In my experience, ones sexual kink in terms of D/s can be compensatory. If someone, man or woman is not living in their home energy very often, spends a lot of time drawing on their lessor energy, perhaps because of work or some other circumstance, then they develop a sort of pent-up hunger for finding it and expressing it in sex.

I have seen some very brash, accomplished, powerful women transform and become submissive, and not because I talked them into it or even brought it up, but because I let my masculine energy have its way during sex and they responded to that energy. I'm talking about a point in my life before I was conversant with specifics of BDSM. I didn't read about BDSM and then went to try it out. It just started happening at a place when I was going through a big life change and started "discovering" myself (happened to be right around when I turned 40). To me, masculine energy and dominance are as natural as rain.

Thank you so much. I love all of this. Very interesting stuff. I can relate

 

[Ash999]

Presenting my bared bottom to Her Divine Majesty the Fully Clothed Divine Feminine Creatrix....sob....merceee...Goddesses

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