March on Washington; Stop Socialized Medicine!

[amicus]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/02/march-on-washington-stop-the-government-health-care-takeover/

GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann has put out a call for a march on Washington DC at noon this Thursday to stop the government health care takeover.

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This has been floating around the news for several days, not appearing to gain much notice or publicity. Just in case it blossoms into something interesting, I thought a 'heads up' to be appropriate.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

Just a little update and no, I don't mind talking to myself, do it all the time.

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/profile/JohnCole

A message to all members of Tea Party Patriots

Urgent – Please Forward

We are asking everyone meet at Constitution Ave NW & 1st St NW Washington, DC 20001 at 10:30AM – 11/05/09

Ah, the dreaded Tea Party Patriots!

Amicus

 

[Epmd607]

You can't have it both ways. Yes, gay marriage loses by a few percent every time out. But if you look at the polls for socialized medicine, the same few percent majority wants it -- a government lead medical plan. A larger percentage want an increase in the government's role in health care, but pretty much down the line for straight up socialized medicine the polls show a majority in favor.

"The national telephone survey, which was conducted from June 12 to 16, found that 72 percent of those questioned supported a government-administered insurance plan — something like Medicare for those under 65 — that would compete for customers with private insurers. Twenty percent said they were opposed."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/health/policy/21poll.html

Either you understand contradiction, or you don't.

 

[CharleyH]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/02/march-on-washington-stop-the-government-health-care-takeover/



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This has been floating around the news for several days, not appearing to gain much notice or publicity. Just in case it blossoms into something interesting, I thought a 'heads up' to be appropriate.

Amicus

What, exactly, is so wrong with socialized health care? I really don't get it Amicus. Give me a list of 10 things that are wrong with it.

 

[TxRad]

What, exactly, is so wrong with socialized health care? I really don't get it Amicus. Give me a list of 10 things that are wrong with it.

He keeps reading socialist/communist/ Marxist every time some one says social.

It's also headed by a black man that he keeps calling an Arab or some such. That can never work according to him. What part of racist homophobic idiot don't you get.

But don't you dare fuck with his Medicare/Medicaid

 

[CharleyH]

He keeps reading socialist/communist/ Marxist every time some one says social.

It's also headed by a black man that he keeps calling an Arab or some such. That can never work according to him. What part of racist homophobic idiot don't you get.

But don't you dare fuck with his Medicare/Medicaid

He is smarter than that, Tex, but thank you. I still want to know his 10 beefs on this issue.

 

[JamesSD]

I didn't want to bump this, but since it's near the top anyways:

Michelle Malkin making a post about Michele Bachmann (R-eally close to having her seat erased by the 2010 Census) it a perfect storm of Total Michelle Insanity (TMI).

Considering Bachmann's supporters theoretically live in Minnesota, I don't imagine many will be making the trip to DC to march on such short notice.

 

[oggbashan]

I prefer the information that the state-sponsored "We hate the Americans" day in Iran was hijacked by the "We hate our President and our religious Leader" protestors despite massive security force presence.

Og

 

[CharleyH]

I prefer the information that the state-sponsored "We hate the Americans" day in Iran was hijacked by the "We hate our President and our religious Leader" protestors despite massive security force presence.

Og

lol

 

[Epmd607]

Yesterday I saw a news item saying 75% of kids 17-24 would be unfit for military service, based on obesity, criminal records, and failure to graduate high school. And the standards right now for the army are already pretty lax compared to the 90's. The army will accept anything with a GED, full sleeve tattoos, petty larcenists -- as long as you don't have marijuana in your system entering basic training. You could probably be a known member of a hate group and get in the army, but if you have any trace of THC in your body, you're getting sent home.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Ami, there is really only one solution to your unremitting fear of life.

 

[WRJames]

I wonder how many of the Tea Party marchers are on Medicare?

 

[Epmd607]

I wonder how many of the Tea Party marchers are on Medicare?

How many of those Tea Party jokers are collecting unemployment or SSI? They march all the time, they should be working if they're not retired collecting their social security.

Socialized medicine is a requirement for post-industrial civilization last century. This century we need a return of organized labor to stop corporations from destroying capitalism and the minimum standard of living the division of labor once provided.

 

[mikey2much]

Forget the army, you can't work at walmart

Yesterday I saw a news item saying 75% of kids 17-24 would be unfit for military service, based on obesity, criminal records, and failure to graduate high school. And the standards right now for the army are already pretty lax compared to the 90's. The army will accept anything with a GED, full sleeve tattoos, petty larcenists -- as long as you don't have marijuana in your system entering basic training. You could probably be a known member of a hate group and get in the army, but if you have any trace of THC in your body, you're getting sent home.

America has become very rigid in its views of what it takes to be an American. Pot use is thought to be a left-over of the hippies, and like the hippies something that has to be wiped out. Today we have a group of people that smoke Pot as a lifestyle and they are treated little better then the Jews of Germany during the crystal night time.

A simple piss test is all it takes along with your boss's willingness to sell out to the police state. Pot takes three weeks at Least to leave the body. Coke, smack, meth and a host of other drugs clear out within three days. The test root out the most harmless drug and hits it the hardest. The hard drugs can get by so much easier then Pot.

I have a problem understanding the fear of pot, it is a very non-violent drug much better then booze. I think that it is fear of the lifestle of pot. That laid back and mellow way of looking at events as they happen. Theywould perfer the snarling menbers of a angry lynch mob, because they are easier to lead and direct.
Like the one heading towards Washington today.

 

[amicus]

What, exactly, is so wrong with socialized health care? I really don't get it Amicus. Give me a list of 10 things that are wrong with it.

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Hello, CharleyH, nice to see you again.

Although I have offered a philosophical and political refutation of Socialism, hundreds of time on this forum, to give you the benefit of the doubt and will offer a brief recapitualization:

The American form of government is bound by law; that of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. Foremost among all those documents, and many more, is the Spirit and the Letter of the Law which established, for the first time in History, a system of 'limited government, with the Powers of Government listed, or enumerated.

That statement, amplified by the explanations that all rights and powers not authorized by the Constitution, remain with the States and, inevitably, with the Individual.

Thus, by definition, Socialized Medicine is unconstitutional, beyond the powers given the Government.

Philosophically, ethically and morally, Government does not have the right, except in time of War or Insurrection, to violate the innate and specified rights of the individual to life, liberty and property.

The men and women who provide the 'Medicine' you want to 'Socialize', violates those aformentioned freedoms of everyone in the medical service field, from exercising their guaranteed individual rights.

Bluntly, Socialized medicine enslaves the doctors and nurses for forces them to perform the tasks and receive the compensation decided by government.

Our government has no authority to enslave a doctor; you have no right to enslave any individual to serve your needs.

You and those who advocate socialism seem to ignore the rights of others and you seem to 'think' that your 'need' of medical service, is greater that the rights of those who have the ability and skill to provide it.

You are wrong. Neither you nor Government has the right, or in this nation, the Authority to enslave the entire Medical Profession.

Now...what about that do you not understand?

Amicus

 

[oggbashan]

In the UK, if you get caught by the police with a spliff or a small amount of weed, for a first offence the substance will be confiscated and you will be given a verbal warning.

Only if you get caught with a larger quantity than a day's use are you likely to be prosecuted.

Og

 

[TxRad]

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Hello, CharleyH, nice to see you again.

Although I have offered a philosophical and political refutation of Socialism, hundreds of time on this forum, to give you the benefit of the doubt and will offer a brief recapitualization:

The American form of government is bound by law; that of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence. Foremost among all those documents, and many more, is the Spirit and the Letter of the Law which established, for the first time in History, a system of 'limited government, with the Powers of Government listed, or enumerated.

That statement, amplified by the explanations that all rights and powers not authorized by the Constitution, remain with the States and, inevitably, with the Individual.

Thus, by definition, Socialized Medicine is unconstitutional, beyond the powers given the Government.

Philosophically, ethically and morally, Government does not have the right, except in time of War or Insurrection, to violate the innate and specified rights of the individual to life, liberty and property.

The men and women who provide the 'Medicine' you want to 'Socialize', violates those aformentioned freedoms of everyone in the medical service field, from exercising their guaranteed individual rights.

Bluntly, Socialized medicine enslaves the doctors and nurses for forces them to perform the tasks and receive the compensation decided by government.

Our government has no authority to enslave a doctor; you have no right to enslave any individual to serve your needs.

You and those who advocate socialism seem to ignore the rights of others and you seem to 'think' that your 'need' of medical service, is greater that the rights of those who have the ability and skill to provide it.

You are wrong. Neither you nor Government has the right, or in this nation, the Authority to enslave the entire Medical Profession.

Now...what about that do you not understand?

Amicus

Enslaving doctors and nurses? Nothing changes for the doctors and nurses, no more than it does now under medicare. This all sounds good but no one is buying it. Then I guess medicare is unconstitutional also. I want to hear the screams when you tell the good people that one. Good luck.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

If we were talking about switching to a single-party-payer system, there might be something for the Right to be alarmed about.

This... this "public option" they're proposing... it's so watered down you might as well just dump the tea in the harbor and drink it. It's nothing. And the %*$&# public option is likely going to cost folks MORE than private insurance, at this rate. Some solution.

I'm so disgusted by this whole thing... makes me want to move off the grid somewhere and give up on "cvilization" altogether.

 

[Dragonlipz]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/02/march-on-washington-stop-the-government-health-care-takeover/



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This has been floating around the news for several days, not appearing to gain much notice or publicity. Just in case it blossoms into something interesting, I thought a 'heads up' to be appropriate.

Amicus

Mon Ami! Was that you on FOX waving that placard behind Michele Backmann? You misspelled 'Socialist'.......just sayin'

 

[Dragonlipz]

Mon Ami! Let's run through this one more time:
We want to block health care because:
We want to preserve the monopoly that the insurance companies have on health care?
We want to keep the doctors and nurses as slaves/indentured servants of the aforementioned insurance companies?
We want to make sure that 44,000 folks die every year because they don't have health care?
We want to make sure that Mr Hemsley has his $700 million dollar a year job?
We want to ensure that America is 39th on the quality of health care in the world?
Or all of the above?

I just wanna make sure so that when the Facists for Freedom bus arrives that I can join you and the rest of the usual suspects.....
P.S. I got my KKK robes dry cleaned so I'll fit right in with you guys....I'm so excited....I soaked a cross to to burn on the White House lawn.......
So....you guys down wit dat?

 

[amicus]

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/profiles/blogs/congratulations-tea-party

Congratulations Tea Party Patriots!!!
• Posted by John Cole on November 5, 2009 at 10:02pm

The outpouring of public support, the groundswell of opposition to the 'new socialism' regime in Washington, D.C., was amazing and heartwarming.

Thank You!

Amicus

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Quibble with the numbers, I am sure you will, but estimates range between 25,000 to 40,000 demonstrated in Washington today, all on a week's notice.

Obama could well be the best thing to happen to America in a long time for the very reason that most still do not accept; America wishes to remain free!

Amazing!

Amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

http://teapartypatriots.ning.com/profiles/blogs/congratulations-tea-party

Congratulations Tea Party Patriots!!!
• Posted by John Cole on November 5, 2009 at 10:02pm




Amicus

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Quibble with the numbers, I am sure you will, but estimates range between 25,000 to 40,000 demonstrated in Washington today, all on a week's notice.

Obama could well be the best thing to happen to America in a long time for the very reason that most still do not accept; America wishes to remain free!

Amazing!

Amicus

There were three hundred total.....including the Repubtards from congress....just keep blowing that horn, dude.....someone will hear it, maybe someone will listen....whatever, let's get our robes out and burn some crosses!!!! YeeeeHah!!!

 

[DesertPirate]

He sure has boosted firearms and ammunition sales since his election.

 

[amicus]

How many of those Tea Party jokers are collecting unemployment or SSI? They march all the time, they should be working if they're not retired collecting their social security.

Socialized medicine is a requirement for post-industrial civilization last century. This century we need a return of organized labor to stop corporations from destroying capitalism and the minimum standard of living the division of labor once provided.

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Let us make a distinction between 'free' post-industrial civilizations and those not so free.

You have every right to hold and advocate a basically Marxist position, perhaps modified by Keynesianism with a sprinkle of Malthus, thas fine, do so, but one should be willing and able to support the basic tenet of Socialism, and that is the sacrifice of the individual to the greater good.

I can speak only as an individual and thus do I personally say, "Give me Liberty or Give me Death". To clarify, yes, that means I will live free or risk my life to defend my freedom from your utopian dreams.

I will not accept your majority decision that my life and individual existence is dependent upon your whims concerning the minutes, hours and days of my life. It is my life, not yours, and not subject to your desires.

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Selena:

If we were talking about switching to a single-party-payer system, there might be something for the Right to be alarmed about.

This... this "public option" they're proposing... it's so watered down you might as well just dump the tea in the harbor and drink it. It's nothing. And the %*$&# public option is likely going to cost folks MORE than private insurance, at this rate. Some solution.

I'm so disgusted by this whole thing... makes me want to move off the grid somewhere and give up on "cvilization" altogether.

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Dear Selena, perhaps you are not following the discussion or the progress and the history of a hundred year quest by Progressive Democrats to install a system of Universal Health Care in the United States.

I do not question, never have and never will, the 'need' of affordable, quality health care for every individual. You may expand that beyond our borders and include the entire World, if you wish, my premise remains the same.

But the 'need' of a product or a service, does not justify any means to obtain or achieve it. The ends, (Universal Healthcare), do not justify the 'means', of imposing a system, any system, on a free people.

I knew, way back when, in college, that the American education system no longer taught Classical Economics at any level in the school system, but instead favored a Marxist solution. It has never been a surprise to me that some of the very smartest people I know, respect and admire, are woefully ignorant of the basic concepts of the Representative Republic that is America, and the free market system, which arose out of the acknowledgement of innate, unalienable individual rights protected by our founding documents.

The Income Tax was found to be Unconstitutional until the Supreme Court was modified by appointment and Senate Confirmation. "No direct tax by capitation", as I recall, was the Constitutional content that forbade taxing the income of an individual.

Social Security and Medicare are both Unconstitutional and both were challenged on those grounds and only a left wing, socialist influenced Supreme Court overturned those complaints.

It is the same with the Abortion Issue, 'the right to life', was protected by the Constitution until the Supreme Court violated that very basic right.

Again, if you are following the myriad discussions in the nations Capitol concerning the issue, the, 'watered down public option' that even the left is disgusted over, is the foot in the door to Universal Healthcare. With a government option available, the private health insurance industry will collapse and I suggest you should know that.

You and everyone on this forum and elsewhere can harmonize to high heaven that your 'need' of affordable medical care is greater than my right to freedom and I will still tell you that you are wrong.

The history of every attempt to 'socialize medicine' has led to a huge out migration of trained and skilled doctor's from every country. Why do you think that is? Are they selfish? Greedy? They want the income that ten years of medical education provides a practicing physician?

None of those reasons. Those doctors who flee socialized medicine, the 45 percent of all doctors in the US now, who have vowed to retire if the government takes over health care, all do so for the same reason: human individual freedom. Those doctors do not wish to be in the employ of a government agency.

Yet you want to enslave them and force me to pay. By what right, Selena, et al, by what right?

Amicus

 

[Liar]

The history of every attempt to 'socialize medicine' has led to a huge out migration of trained and skilled doctor's from every country.

Wrong.

Maybe many. I couldn't say, because I don't know the detalis of most counties heath care politics. (And I suspect, neither do you.) But certainly not every.

My case in point: Norway. Our neighbors have strengthen their public health care service over the years, while we in Sweden have decreased it and privatized.

Hospital personell and freshly educated nurses and doctors in particular are poring over the border into Norway, where the pay, the working conditions and the career opportunities have just become better and better, where ours have become worse. Especially for nurses, Sweden have a severe lack of those ever since we went from our formwer NHS like system.