MAN RAY'S There's thrills-n-chills-n-lots of spills in Rainbow Land

[WickedEve]

I am returning a thread that was removed. I cannot replace the original, so I am copying it. It was removed because the thread starter stated he would not return to the thread. I didn't see a point in an abandoned voting thread. Silly me. So here it is.

MAN RAY:
To those whom I’ve pleased and who have told me so by way of thoughtful PMs and positive voting, thank you. I never could have imagined such favourable responses to my illustrated work; ‘thank you’ seems woefully inadequate.

To those include my work in ‘New Poems Reviews’, I am humbled and honoured.

To those whom I have ‘disturbed’ for wont of a better word, you’ve told me so by way of what is nothing short of petty continuous downvoting (what is euphemistically called ‘suspicious-looking voting patterns’). Yet again today, another highly ranked poem on the Top Lists – Voter Rating has gone whoooooosh right off the list in a NY minute and so has its red H. It does not take a rocket scientist to determine how this happens and how a certain core segment of Literotica submitters can effectively influence the work of another. It is about what some must obviously perceive as a coveted red ‘H’. The ugliness within those who make Literotica their home away from home makes my case.

I ask myself: who in the world has far too much time on their hands to keep my account and /or Top Lists Reader Voting – Poetry on their radar. I suggest to you don’t be malicious, just write your damnest and have a lark. That is what I do. Is that not our objective? To those who decry NO, then what the heck are you doing here? And for those of you who categorically state that votes don’t fuss you, your collective actions belie your words.

Enough is enough I have read. Agreed! Today for the first time I have reported all poems with ‘suspicious-looking voting patters’ to the webmaster. I will not disallow votes. I will not be bullied. I will not leave!

In closing, I will not return to reread this thread. I will wait for the webmaster’s response and what action will be taken.

To those of you who will feel compelled to hijack, frolic and yet again take your best shot at me, I say have a blast and blast away. Amuse yourselves!

Man Ray

I have found that from time to time they (Laurel and/or Manu) will do this automatically, but reporting the suspicious voting pattern will get it fixed more swiftly.

I had an opportunity to look at a book of photography by your namesake, and while most of the work in the book concentrated on the eccentricities of the female body, I think your photographic work has drawn some inspiration from the artist.

jim : )

 

[Man Ray]

REMOVE AND DELETE thread

From Eve's immediate PM to the thread prior to removing it.

Re: what is the purpose? .......I moved your thread to the mod queue.

To which I replied 'there is a reason it is there. READ IT. It is not about one poet / one ISP; it is about a core segment of Lit poets maliciously voting under many means...

Are you moving it because you are sensitive to what I said? Me thinks yes!

 

[Never]

So... why are we returning this?

 

[champagne1982]

Dear ManRay,

Why have you chosen to paint all of the lovely trees in this forest with the same black brush? It's unfair to blame the people who participate in this forum for the troll(s') decision to get slimy on your poem.

I'm sorry your poem was so unfairly treated. If you have the best poem on Lit, then I'm sure Laurel and Manu will gladly arrange to have your rating stay at the score you deem it to be.

Those horrid down-voting conspirators will be thwarted, I'm sure.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Egos are a bitch.

 

[bogusbrig]

Votes don't change the poem. If it's good it's good, if it is bad it's bad but who is to say which? H's don't make a bad poem good and lack of them don't make a good poem bad.

 

[Man Ray]

Dear champagne1982

With due respect, I would never take a broad brush in hand to paint what I agree with are all of the lovely trees black. I would not dare tarnish them. Varnish them with a clear stain, yes! Please note that I quantified the less lovely trees in opening the paragraph with: To those whom I have disturbed.

Sadly, these darker trees take a black paintbrush unto themselves.


What I regret is that some readers/responders to this thread perceive it to be a woe is me kind of thing. It is not at all about Man Ray. It is about those who do not understand the ethics of reciprocity, or "The Golden Rule", a fundamental moral principle.

 

[Man Ray]

Ego

Egos are a bitch.

‘

Egos are a bitch is a well-chosen comment. Thank you.

I understand the definition of ego is to have appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem. You make another case that ‘ego’ is very much lacking in those who downvote. Far too many poets, including you I suspect, have experienced their lack of same.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Whoa. Man Ray thinks I have low self-estime and "lack of ego". This one definitely is a first.

 

[Liar]

Gee, I really should start paying attention to that top list thingy, and all the times I've had poems first soar there and then "mysteriously" and "suspiciously" drop out from the list and yes, time and again, lose the little H stamp. I wonder who I should point fingers at. it can't be the "evil clique", since I'm sometimes cited to be in it.

"It does not take a rocket scientist to determine how this happens", you say. Well, a rocket scientist wouldn't base conclusions on assumptions that can at best be described as vague. What specifically is it what makes you draw the conclusion that you're being bullied and harassed by "a certain core segment of Literotica submitters"?

I'm always frustrated by these kind of threads, because everytime it's the same thíng. Somebody who crys foul and doen't provide more than a "It's obvious that there's a conspracy" as their sole argument of evidence.

It sucks if people feel badly treated. But how is anyone supposed to do anything about it unless they get to know exactly what happened and can try to understand it?

 

[Man Ray]

Hang on there...

Whoa. Man Ray thinks I have low self-estime and "lack of ego". This one definitely is a first.

Wherever did I state that you have low esteem?

I must have misunderstood your initial ego comment and/or you misunderstood my response. Please reread it.

I do not write/post/comment with dark ink, Lauren. Never have, never will. Do I think/write with the Golden Rule? Yes. It serves us all.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Wherever did I state that you have low esteem?

I must have misunderstood your initial ego comment and/or you misunderstood my response. Please reread it.

I do not write/post/comment with dark ink, Lauren. Never have, never will. Do I think/write with the Golden Rule? Yes. It serves us all.

Perhaps I misunderstood your response, but I'll clarify my initial ego comment.

This is not the first thread you start about this very subject, and each time you do it you accuse "the great dark conspiracy of evil poets" of maliciously down-voting your poems. It never crosses your mind that perhaps your poems aren't to everyone's taste? That's why voting exists: so that you can gauge the average response to your poems. A 4.50 average means that in average, half your readers think it is "Good" and another half thinks it's "Excellent". And should one of your poems' rating drop to 4.00, my God, it is only "Good". How big an ego does someone has to have for this to be a problem? And how big does that ego has to be to make that person automatically assume that any rating less than "Excellent" given to one of his poems has to be the result of "write/post/comment with dark ink"?

If you feel you have reason to complain, just report the damned poem to Laurel, and go back to writing poems instead of threads like these. These are the ones that are truly written with dark ink.

Egos are a bitch.

 

[Man Ray]

A woolgatherer I may be....

Gee, I really should start paying attention to that top list thingy, and all the times I've had poems first soar there and then "mysteriously" and "suspiciously" drop out from the list and yes, time and again, lose the little H stamp. I wonder who I should point fingers at. it can't be the "evil clique", since I'm sometimes cited to be in it.

It sucks if people feel badly treated. But how is anyone supposed to do anything about it unless they get to know exactly what happened and can try to understand it?

A woolgatherer I may be, yet that is my intention, Liar when I wrote: Today for the first time I have reported all poems with suspicious-looking voting patterns to the webmaster. To get to the nub of the issue: what I call endemic behaviour that affects far too many good poets/poems.

Oh, and print screens come in handy if proof is required when a #1 poem drops from the top 100 w/ in a half hour window.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Oh, and print screens come in handy if proof is required when a #1 poem drops from the top 100 w/ in a half hour window.

And you have to wonder "who in the world has far too much time on their hands"?

Go write some poetry.

 

[Man Ray]

And you have to wonder "who in the world has far too much time on their hands"?

Go write some poetry.

Great suggestion, Lauren. Let's go and write some. Should I follow you or you me.....

 

[Liar]

A woolgatherer I may be, yet that is my intention, Liar. To get to the nub of the issue: what I call endemic behaviour that affects far too many good poets/poems.

Oh, and print screens come in handy if proof is required when a #1 poem drops from the top 100 w/ in a half hour window.

Thing is, you don't get to the rub. You tiptoe around it bu just saying "oh, everyone should see what's going on." No, I don't. Show me.

A 1# poem that drops = an observation that says that "hey, a poem dropped". It's NOT an observation that "hey, a poem dropped because the Dark Ink Conspiracy slammed it". There could be so many other reasons that you don't seem to want to consider.

So please tell me, how did you arrive at that conclusion?


(And no, I'm not gonna go write some poetry, I haven't had my daily caffeine fix yet. )

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Great suggestion, Lauren. Let's go and write some. Should I follow you or you me.....

Let's both go, please.

 

[bogusbrig]

Man Ray. Advertizing your sensitivity only adds to the enjoyment of people who would vote your poems down.

 

[annaswirls]

(And no, I'm not gonna go write some poetry, I haven't had my daily caffeine fix yet. )

wanna go get some coffee? I am running a quart low



How does a #1 poem drop from the top 100 in a half hour? It only takes a second, actually.

MY interjection: with the top list scores so high, all it takes is one person not thinking it is absolutely wonderful and giving a poem a 4 or a 3 just because that is their individual and worthy opinion of the poem. Not everything is a 5 to everyone.

AND it could just be a fluke that the person who voted a 3 or 4 did so later and not sooner in the game. Who knows maybe they had to work late and did not get to reading your poem right away. You have 10 fives and the 11th vote is a three....? There is no black magic. Think of all of the poems who never made the top list because the first or second person gave it a 3 or a 4. Be happy it had a moment at the top, if that person did not have to work late and gave it their vote earlier, it would have started out where it is now. I hope that makes sense.

 

[annaswirls]

"Make me horny
Make me beg
Make me drip cum down my leg"

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=259497

on the top ten. a lot of people really like it!

here is another poem from the toplist...

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=108436

O fuck... I want to feel your sperm shoot inside me... making me shudder as your cock slams in and out of me

Fuck me pleaseee o my god... fuck

O fuck im cumming o my god, I want to feel you cum

O… shit… yesssss

Mmmmm that felt sooo good…

hey, I have a poem on the top list too!
http://english.literotica.com:81/stories/showstory.php?id=135539
it is pretty awful! if someone wants to go vote it down, please feel free


wow, I gotta go do some laundry.

 

[bogusbrig]

"Make me horny
Make me beg
Make me drip cum down my leg"

http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=259497

on the top ten. a lot of people really like it!

You're now feeding my inverted snobbery of never ever having had a poem anywhere near the top.

 

[annaswirls]

Wow, look at this one from the top list, it is an oldie, I never saw it before. I know it is not about the score, it is about the poem, I am just glad I got to read it, very nicely written, in my opinion, deserving to be at the top

ugly
by catastrophe ©
http://english.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=171180

 

[annaswirls]

You're now feeding my inverted snobbery of never ever having had a poem anywhere near the top.

inverted snobbery! HA! I love it!

there are a bunch of really amazing poems up there too, I am going through and making recommendations. talk about snobbery! to think my opinion should be shared! oh my I am so snotty.

 

[Never]

Wait a second, was this poem in the top one hundred? If so, it might have been me that gave you the low vote.

 

[flyguy69]

Wait a second, was this poem in the top one hundred? If so, it might have been me that gave you the low vote.

Ah! Mystery solved! From now on all poets that feel slighted by votes that don't match their inflated egos can simply blame Never. Let's move on.