man evades cops by jumping into lake, cops stand by and watch him drown

[butters]

cops called to a domestic dispute between a couple, who told them they weren't arguing, chased a guy who ran after cops saying they'd search for any outstanding warrants. Guy flees, jumps over fence into lake... cops tell him he can't do that.

he then proceeds to beg for help as he's drowning; his wife begs them to help. he drowns.

An officer asks him,” So what’s your plan right now?” and Bickings replies, “I’m going to drown. I’m going to drown,” the police transcript said.

The officer tells him he’s not drowning and suggests he swim to a pylon. Bickings says he can’t and pleads for help as the officers discuss calling for a boat.

His wife asks them to save Bickings and officers advise her to encourage him to swim to shore. An officer tells her that if she doesn’t calm down, he’ll put her in his patrol car.

“I’m just distraught because he’s drowning right in front of you and you won’t help,” she says. The officers continued arguing with her after Bickings went under, the transcript shows.

cops inform the wife they're going to get a boat, but it's too late.

serve and protect.

no matter what he's done, saving his life should have been prioritised. no mention of weapons or violent attitude.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...sedgntp&cvid=895e44a9f31646be988582661e729f83

 

[techiedude71]

I find this to be hysterical. I really did laugh reading it. First, we are to believe the guy just ran from cops when they suggested to him, they would check for outstanding warrants. He runs into a lake but can't swim?

Natural selection at work here. It's even funnier you would post about it and have "poutrage". Who called the cops in the first place? Why is journalism so fucking awful these days? Why post what is obviously half a story?

MSN really must suck or be desperate for clicks. They managed to piss you off though didn't they.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Without knowing all the circumstances its entirely possible he wasn't aware of exactly where on the lake he was as he ran. I know from personal experience that I've jumped fences and walls and nearly twisted or broken things because I misjudged how high the ivy actually was from the ground or didn't know for whatever reason that this was a a man made lake and it doesn't slope off, its just a six foot drop.

That said the cops most likely couldn't have done much to help save call an ambulance (Which the wife could have done) and hope they could save the man. Even a strong swimmer would find it difficult to swim in clothing at all. Lets say they had the time to strip down to their skivvies. Unless you're trained in water rescue the only thing you accomplish by jumping in after someone is giving death a two for one deal.

 

[Dribble]

What many may not know....especially our Right-leaning friends...unless the police have either witnessed a crime, or that they have a reasonable, articulate suspicion of a crime has been committed (which means they can state what crime they are detaining you for), you do not have to provide ID or help them in any way to facilitate in their investigation, which includes searches for outstanding warrants. Unless there is more to this...the wife should seek a lawyer

 

[Rightguide]

I find this to be hysterical. I really did laugh reading it. First, we are to believe the guy just ran from cops when they suggested to him, they would check for outstanding warrants. He runs into a lake but can't swim?

Natural selection at work here. It's even funnier you would post about it and have "poutrage". Who called the cops in the first place? Why is journalism so fucking awful these days? Why post what is obviously half a story?

MSN really must suck or be desperate for clicks. They managed to piss you off though didn't they.

Kinda reminds me about the southern sheriff on the discovery of a dead black man wrapped in heavy chain being pulled from the river and saying "now isn't that just like their kind always trying to steal more than they can carry."

 

[pecksniff]

Wait, isn't this the plot of "Waltzing Matilda"?

 

[UltraMAGAKing]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[Chernosoth]

Darwin Award winners have been boring for a while. Too many selfie falls off cliffs. Running into a lake without swimming ability won't be matched for a while.

 

[Comshaw]

cops called to a domestic dispute between a couple, who told them they weren't arguing, chased a guy who ran after cops saying they'd search for any outstanding warrants. Guy flees, jumps over fence into lake... cops tell him he can't do that.

he then proceeds to beg for help as he's drowning; his wife begs them to help. he drowns.




cops inform the wife they're going to get a boat, but it's too late.

serve and protect.

no matter what he's done, saving his life should have been prioritised. no mention of weapons or violent attitude.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/i...sedgntp&cvid=895e44a9f31646be988582661e729f83

Anyone who knows anything about water rescue knows that you NEVER jump in after a drowning person without a PFD or a flotation device of some kind unless you are specifically trained for it. Even if you are, it's very dangerous. When someone does, the majority of the time there will be two drowning victims rather than one. Throw them a line, or something that floats or get a boat, but NEVER EVER go into the water after them. In this instance, the cops were right not to.

Comshaw

 

[SamSang]

Anyone who knows anything about water rescue knows that you NEVER jump in after a drowning person without a PDF or a flotation device of some kind unless you are specifically trained for it. Even if you are, it's very dangerous. When someone does, the majority of the time there will be two drowning victims rather than one. Throw them a line, or something that floats or get a boat, but NEVER EVER go into the water after them. In this instance, the cops were right not to.

Comshaw

^^^finally, voice of sanity

 

[HisArpy]

I'm loving it.

The police have no legal obligation to help anyone. Most especially the racist and systematic white supremacist police, who ought to be defunded and abolished.

Right?

 

[oggbashan]

A similar incident occurred in London. A disturbed man was waving a sharpened screwdriver around, threatening members of the public, and when the police arrived he threatened to 'get' the police. He was tasered but it didn't seem to affect him. He was on a bridge over the Thames. he ran towards the police, was tasered again and then jumped off the bridge into the Thames. He drowned. The independent police complaints authority is investigating to see whether the police on the scene behaved inappropriately.

 

[JohnEngelman]

 

[butters]

Anyone who knows anything about water rescue knows that you NEVER jump in after a drowning person without a PFD or a flotation device of some kind unless you are specifically trained for it. Even if you are, it's very dangerous. When someone does, the majority of the time there will be two drowning victims rather than one. Throw them a line, or something that floats or get a boat, but NEVER EVER go into the water after them. In this instance, the cops were right not to.

Comshaw

sorry it took a couple of days to come back to this... was limited to mouse-only where my pc and wireless keyboard weren't cooperating.

actually, i do know a little... a long time ago, i did some water training for life preservation (self and others) when i was a good swimmer, which i why i didn't actually suggest anyone jump in after the man. The article didn't state how deep the water was, how far the drop, what kind of bed the lake had and what kind of clarity the water had regarding seeing hidden objects. edit: i forgot to mention familiarity with the body of water. We were trained to go into the water after someone drowning, and were taught defense mechanisms in the case of someone fighting in panic endangering oneself.

having said that, when he told them he couldn't swim it was their duty as 'serve and protect' officers of the law to prioritise his safety; they should have immediately looked for something to reach him with &/or thrown something in he could use as a flotation device till they reached him, and organised a boat instead of standing arguing with his wife because she was getting distraught seeing her husband's pleas for help ignored.

it appears (and reports may not be accurate enough to know for sure) that the cops thought it kind of funny or were just bemused by the situation and so their reactions (while unsurprising in everyday people not understanding the situation) weren't fit for the situation at hand. A man died who could have, potentially, been saved. Then, if he did turn out to have some criminal issues they could have been dealt with by the justice system.

 

[Rightguide]

Tough shit.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

sorry it took a couple of days to come back to this... was limited to mouse-only where my pc and wireless keyboard weren't cooperating.

actually, i do know a little... a long time ago, i did some water training for life preservation (self and others) when i was a good swimmer, which i why i didn't actually suggest anyone jump in after the man. The article didn't state how deep the water was, how far the drop, what kind of bed the lake had and what kind of clarity the water had regarding seeing hidden objects. edit: i forgot to mention familiarity with the body of water. We were trained to go into the water after someone drowning, and were taught defense mechanisms in the case of someone fighting in panic endangering oneself.

having said that, when he told them he couldn't swim it was their duty as 'serve and protect' officers of the law to prioritise his safety; they should have immediately looked for something to reach him with &/or thrown something in he could use as a flotation device till they reached him, and organised a boat instead of standing arguing with his wife because she was getting distraught seeing her husband's pleas for help ignored.

it appears (and reports may not be accurate enough to know for sure) that the cops thought it kind of funny or were just bemused by the situation and so their reactions (while unsurprising in everyday people not understanding the situation) weren't fit for the situation at hand. A man died who could have, potentially, been saved. Then, if he did turn out to have some criminal issues they could have been dealt with by the justice system.

Yeah you're just wrong here. The cops were right and so was the dude you quoted. Only a professional lifeguard has any business going in after a drowning man. That is what's taught and adhered to regardless of your "water training for life preservation" whatever the fuck that is. Sounds like learning to dogpaddle but whatevs.

 

[ll74]

Maybe he should have jumped into a chocolate lake
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylv...le-stuck-chocolate-factory-tank?intcmp=tw_fnc

 

[LincolnDuncan]

Maybe he should have jumped into a chocolate lake
https://www.foxnews.com/us/pennsylv...le-stuck-chocolate-factory-tank?intcmp=tw_fnc

I wonder if police are required to be able to swim.

 

[oggbashan]

I was qualified as a basic surf lifesaver in Australia, and as a surf lifeboat oarsman.

But in the UK the advice is:

Reach, throw first (A rope, a lifebuoy etc) and only enter the water if it is safe for you to do so, and you are trained.

I WAS trained. Now? I would NEVER enter the water except perhaps to wade in my depth. I'm too old and disabled to be any help.

 

[butters]

Yeah you're just wrong here. The cops were right and so was the dude you quoted. Only a professional lifeguard has any business going in after a drowning man. That is what's taught and adhered to regardless of your "water training for life preservation" whatever the fuck that is. Sounds like learning to dogpaddle but whatevs.

yeah, well, guess we're more concerned with preserving life in the UK than people like you in the USA

lifesaving, basic bronze medallion... which is awarded for learning how to retrieve and save objects/people (responsive or otherwise) in water (not sea training) and incorporates self-preservation techniques and resuscitation, making flotation devices out of clothing and more. it was a common thing in the UK school system though not mandatory. i left school before continuing on to silver.

 

[butters]

I was qualified as a basic surf lifesaver in Australia, and as a surf lifeboat oarsman.

But in the UK the advice is:

Reach, throw first (A rope, a lifebuoy etc) and only enter the water if it is safe for you to do so, and you are trained.

I WAS trained. Now? I would NEVER enter the water except perhaps to wade in my depth. I'm too old and disabled to be any help.

exactly

i could still manage some though would probably only make the attempt if younger, fitter, more able and currently trained people weren't to hand. Been way too long since i could swim a mile. The basics of a rope, a branch, anything to help them float, though, doesn't require anything other than a sense of need to preserve life and a smidge of common sense. And anyone with access to a mobile phone (I know your problems, Ogg) they can use can be of some aid to a person in distress.

 

[rockcasbah]

Another thread intended to showcase Butters’ Moral Superiority and Judge Others.

Anyone who suggests a police officer wearing 50 pounds of gear is obligated in any way to save a fleeing perp from water he jumped in to escape them…

…. Is either a fool, emotionally unwell or a crackhead.

Or Butters.

This isn’t a Political Forum thread… is it?

 

[ll74]

Protect and serve

Or drown...

Whichever

 

[jomar]

Anyone who knows anything about water rescue knows that you NEVER jump in after a drowning person without a PFD or a flotation device of some kind unless you are specifically trained for it. Even if you are, it's very dangerous. When someone does, the majority of the time there will be two drowning victims rather than one. Throw them a line, or something that floats or get a boat, but NEVER EVER go into the water after them. In this instance, the cops were right not to.

Comshaw

I was a lifeguard. The final exam I endured was a circle of people trying to drown me in a pool.

And owned and sailed a sailboat.

You’re right.

 

[rockcasbah]

Maybe we could all chip in and get Butters a spandex Morality Warrior outfit and a Preadtor drone so she could fly into action and right the various BREAKING wrongs she sees in the news ticker on the Weather Channel.