Male bisexuality and the Kinsey scale

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For a long time, the mantra about male bisexuality has been "you're either straight, gay, or lying", with the implication that "bisexual" men are really just gay men who aren't completely comfortable with a gay identity. Early studies measuring sexual arousal in self-identified gay, straight, and bisexual men seemed to support this.

Since then, it's been argued those studies used a self-selecting group of people as their sample (later studies of bisexual men did show arousal to both hetero and homosexual scenes), and social attitudes have also changed, so most people now acknowledge that male bisexuality does exist - something that probably shouldn't have been debated at all since we know that in Ancient Greek and Roman society it was common for individuals to have lovers of both sexes at some point in their lives.

However, my own limited impression is that most bisexual men have a strong if not overwhelming preference for one sex or the other. In other words, some "bisexuals" are mostly heterosexual men who are willing and able to engage in homosexual sex because that's what's available at the moment, or because they're kinky and like to try new things. Other "bisexuals" are primarily homosexual men who are willing and able to have sex with women.

Are there really a lot of men out there who are equally or nearly equally satisfied with a partner of either sex, without an overwhelming preference? What I'm getting at is the point that on the Kinsey scale of 0 (completely straight, no homosexual desires or experiences) to 6 (completely homosexual, with no heterosexual desires and experiences), male 1's and 5's are (I'm guessing) a lot more common than 3's (equally happy with both) or even 2 or 4's (leaning straight or gay, but quite happy in both worlds).

To me, it seems rather strange to take someone like Marlon Brando (probably a 1 on the scale) and Gore Vidal (probably a 5) and put them both in the same "bisexual" bin, when they have more in common with a 0 or a 6, respectively.

I'm not trying to start a flame war or offend anyone, but I am interested in people's take on this.
 
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I'm always fascinated by these discussions and analysis.

Here's how I would describe myself, on a scale of 1-10.

Romantic affection and emotional intimacy:

My desire for men: 0
My desire for women: 10

Actual physical sex:

My desire for men: 10
My desire for women: 9

So for me, it's hard to place myself on a scale of preferring men or women, because I'm attracted to them in very different ways.
 
I'm always fascinated by these discussions and analysis.

Here's how I would describe myself, on a scale of 1-10.

Romantic affection and emotional intimacy:

My desire for men: 0
My desire for women: 10

Actual physical sex:

My desire for men: 10
My desire for women: 9

So for me, it's hard to place myself on a scale of preferring men or women, because I'm attracted to them in very different ways.

I totally get this. I love women and can be intimate with them and have a sex life as part of that, whereas with men I just like to have sex, but no thought of a loving relationship usually.

Only one man who was so delicate and feminine was the exception, with him it was intimate and sexual. I miss him still:(
 
In my humble opinion

First of all, I appreciate you not wanting to start a flame war. I am one of those that has been accused of "lying" about my homosexual desires when I have used the term "bisexual" to describe myself. I believe that nobody has the moral authority to demand you use one term or another to define yourself. We know ourselves better than anyone else, and how we identify is our business alone.

I prefer women. I enjoy watching them when I meet them, when I travel, and I am married to one. I do not believe I could ever prefer a man totally over a woman. However, I became aware of certain desires, fantasies, etc., a long time ago that I finally admitted to myself, and just a few years ago, I finally accepted as part of who I am. Frankly, I was afraid of the terminology. I didn't want to be labeled as "gay" because I knew I wasn't, although some of my desires are definitely homosexual in nature.

I would say that I am "1" on the Kinsey scale, but even that scale can change depending on my mood. If you were to ask me straight or gay, then my answer would be straight, making me a "0". If you were to ask me would I ever consider intimate contact with a man, then I would make myself out as a "1". Now, if you were to ask me just how intimate would I consider getting with a man, then I would probably ended up a "6". Frankly, I was chatting with a local gentleman last night, and if I could show a transcript of the chat, it would probably be said that I had just blown the scale through the roof.

To further confuse the issue, other than fantasizing about women, I fantasize about being in a bi threesome with another man, and a woman. I fantasize about being with a T-girl. I have even told myself that if I ever do find a man, then I might be described as bisexual because I prefer women, but in private, I am going all out gay. Where would those put me on the scale?

As I got older, and became aware of my desires, I would ask myself what I was. Was I really straight, but just simply curious? Or was I really gay, but preferred women? (Is that even possible?) Was I lying to myself, and the only thing preventing me from seeing the truth was some societal expectation to be with a woman?

I guess the bottom line for me is that I prefer women, but a man can provide experiences, sensations, that a woman cannot. Depending on what I need sexually, emotionally, psychologically, that would determine which gender I prefer at that particular moment.

Again, this is just who I am. In no way am I saying anyone is right or wrong. It just depends on the individual.
 
Just took the test and I’m a 2.

I don’t have any emotional attachment to same sex but just have a desire for some occasional cock.
 
mine

I have to take the test, I thought it was self report
 
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According to the Kinsey scale I am around the mid point (3), which I believe is accurate.

https://psycho-tests.com/test/kinsey-scale-gay-test

However I am also very aware that my perceptions have changed.

When I was younger, apart from some drunken fumbling experimentation, I would have considered myself to be straight. The memories of those experiments lingered though as as I matured and porn became far more readily available, I found myself looking at gay and straight sex.

I am now far less worried about procreation, (been there done that) and as a result, this has opened my mindset to be far more accepting of all forms of sex and as a result I would be quite happy to consider having a long term relationship with a man or a women these days.
 
My score

Interesting.....I got a 3. I would have expected a 2, maybe a 1. Doesn't really matter, though. I am comfortable with my sexual interests since I accepted my desires as part of who I am as a person.
 
I scored 3 on the test. I would have thought I would lean more to the straight side. I doubt that I could ever be emotionally involved with someone of the same sex.
 
I got a 3

I am OK with that. I am sure someday I will make a cool guy friend and we'll get it on, with or without women present
 
I agree!

I am OK with that. I am sure someday I will make a cool guy friend and we'll get it on, with or without women present

While one of my fantasies is to engage in a bi threesome with another man, and a woman, if I am going to have fun with a guy, then I also don't want to share him with anyone.
 
Same here

I scored 3 on the test. I would have thought I would lean more to the straight side. I doubt that I could ever be emotionally involved with someone of the same sex.

I would say the same thing, but I can't totally rule anything out. Being affectionate with a man is something I would want, but not necessarily being "in love".
 
According to the Kinsey scale I am around the mid point (3), which I believe is accurate.

https://psycho-tests.com/test/kinsey-scale-gay-test

However I am also very aware that my perceptions have changed.

When I was younger, apart from some drunken fumbling experimentation, I would have considered myself to be straight. The memories of those experiments lingered though as as I matured and porn became far more readily available, I found myself looking at gay and straight sex.

I am now far less worried about procreation, (been there done that) and as a result, this has opened my mindset to be far more accepting of all forms of sex and as a result I would be quite happy to consider having a long term relationship with a man or a women these days.

Pretty much the same here scoring a 3.

I told my wife I was bi on our 3rd date 20 years ago. I had only told one female acquaintance(that I wanted to date) before that. Aside from a little innocent truth or dare stuff growing up hadn't acted on the bi side until a 3some with my wife(then gf).

Initially I was in that "just attracted to cock but not men" camp. But think that was still largely society's homophobia at work. Now I definitely acknowledge the whole man and personality rather than just looking for a "stunt cock" to join us.
 
Pretty much the same here scoring a 3.

I told my wife I was bi on our 3rd date 20 years ago. I had only told one female acquaintance(that I wanted to date) before that. Aside from a little innocent truth or dare stuff growing up hadn't acted on the bi side until a 3some with my wife(then gf).

Initially I was in that "just attracted to cock but not men" camp. But think that was still largely society's homophobia at work. Now I definitely acknowledge the whole man and personality rather than just looking for a "stunt cock" to join us.

If I were to grade comments, I'd give it a A+. It seems refreshingly simple and honest.

I think Literotica has become a bit stale in that many are stuck in this love-cock-not-men mode and get it reinforced when others on here say the same thing. In all my earlier years on the prowl, I found men much more interested in much more than cock. Sure any body part can be the driving force for an initial hookup or a few more. However, overtime even the most beautiful body part (whatever floats one's boat) isn't enough to be interested. A beautiful body part over time just isn't that beautiful if there isn't a man behind it that is enjoyable to spend time with.

I do think that many get in that love-cock-not-men as some attempt to admit same sex attraction, yet hoping that as long as not everything is there (no kissing, no emotion, perhaps a feminine partner) that they still aren't really homosexual --- whatever that means to them.

Society expects men to compete with each other to compare in some ways with a bit of guard up. It is just nice that in m2m encounters things can be relaxed. Many are more willing to have more future encounters with you if you are a decent guy who you can be comfortable with letting your guard down when you spend time together -- as opposed to just having a beautiful cock.
 
Great point of view

If I were to grade comments, I'd give it a A+. It seems refreshingly simple and honest.

I think Literotica has become a bit stale in that many are stuck in this love-cock-not-men mode and get it reinforced when others on here say the same thing. In all my earlier years on the prowl, I found men much more interested in much more than cock. Sure any body part can be the driving force for an initial hookup or a few more. However, overtime even the most beautiful body part (whatever floats one's boat) isn't enough to be interested. A beautiful body part over time just isn't that beautiful if there isn't a man behind it that is enjoyable to spend time with.

I do think that many get in that love-cock-not-men as some attempt to admit same sex attraction, yet hoping that as long as not everything is there (no kissing, no emotion, perhaps a feminine partner) that they still aren't really homosexual --- whatever that means to them.

Society expects men to compete with each other to compare in some ways with a bit of guard up. It is just nice that in m2m encounters things can be relaxed. Many are more willing to have more future encounters with you if you are a decent guy who you can be comfortable with letting your guard down when you spend time together -- as opposed to just having a beautiful cock.

I must admit my journey has taken many turns, and some are mentioned with your comments.

Yes, I am one of those "love the cock more than the man" types simply because that is where my attraction lays. I scope out the women, not the men, and feel attraction to females. However, if you take the same man I just saw fully clothed, and put him in a tight jockstrap or he's showing off his cock, I feel sexual attraction. So, I see it as an attraction to what makes him uniquely male, which is his penis.

But, although it took a very long time to finally realize it, admit it, and accept it, just the penis won't be enough. While I have no intention of changing my domestic situation, I came to realize, as you said, just the body part won't hold the interest for an ongoing scenario. I, too, am looking for an affectionate, articulate, interesting man to spend quality time with as a friend, confidante, and companion. His penis may provide sexual pleasure, but his personality, the person he is, will ultimately decide how well that relationship goes. Frankly, the better the relationship, the better the intimacy. I'm only talking in reference to two men, not an indicator of my marriage ,BTW ;-)

You want to know how I dealt with my homosexual desires? I had two methods. The first, anytime I masturbated to pics of nude men, at orgasm I would quickly switch over to a pic of a nude woman so I could tell myself that I ejaculated looking at a woman.
The second way was fantasizing about having a MMF threesome. If there is a woman involved, it could ONLY be straight, right? Involving a woman cancels out the homosexual aspect of it, right?

I finally came to a point where I not only had admitted my homosexuality, but accepted it as part of who I am as a person. Mind you, I still prefer women, but I do not feel ashamed at admitting to myself that I have homosexual desires.

What you said about lowering our socially expected shield when we are with another man is so true. I feel that with a man who knows of my desires, I can release a side of myself, forbidden desires, express myself honestly, without shame, embarrassment, or guilt. Unfortunately, I have yet to experience the joys and pleasures of being with man. Working on it, but we're still in the chatting phase.
 
I was curious about the test so I took it and scored a 0. Of course I have had sex with two transgender women but I consider them women. Even after I went back and answered a couple of the questions differently considering the transgender women as men, I still scored a 0 which kind of surprised me.
 
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