Making your sub punish themselves

[zipman]

One of my favorite things to do is to have a sub punish themselves. The two main ways that I do this is by having her:

1) Pinch, stretch and twist her nipples
2) Spank her own pussy

The beauty is that I always say I am giving you the opportunity to punish yourself as you think I would. If you do not punish yourself hard enough, I will do it again for you as soon as you have finished - that way it is like a double punishment. Of course, there is something about watching a woman give herself pain that is so erotic to me!!

Any thoughts from the rest of you on this???

 

[~Dream~]

there is no way..

that my punishing myself could ever 1.teach me discipline or no.2
Bring me pleasure..My Master's touch alone could do that but not mine ..my mind is too strong lol ..it KNOWS the difference there just is no way I can foresee me bein able to do an adequate job..sorry if this didnt help but just bein truthful..as always

 

[Quint]

Being in a LDR, I kind of have to do this myself. It's worked surprisingly well, from immediate commands to slap my face, claw my back, pinch my nipples, and so on to long-term commands to not touch myself sexually, anywhere. I too imagine how hard T would be doing these things to me and I try to adjust the pain level accordingly. This helps to put me in the right mental place, where in my mind it isn't even me hurting myself. It's him. I enjoy that a lot.

 

[Vulpesvulpes]

I love putting a sub in a position where they have a choice but will experience pain either way.

For instance, one of my favorite punishments is to clamp the subs nipples with clover clamps and attach a chain to the clamps. The chain dangles to about 18" off the floor when she is standing up straight.

I make the sub hold both arms out straight and give her a broom which she holds parallel to the floor. I attach a chain to the broom handle and suspend a 5 lb. weight from it. The chain from her nipples is then attached to the weight with 2-3" of slack.

It will not take long for her arms to fatigue and sag. When they do, the weight will be transfered to her nipples, pulling on them painfully.

Of course, I am standing near by offering encouragement by smacking her ass with a riding crop if she bends her knees, elbows, etc.

-Vv

 

[zipman]

Re: there is no way..

that my punishing myself could ever 1.teach me discipline or no.2
Bring me pleasure..My Master's touch alone could do that but not mine ..my mind is too strong lol ..it KNOWS the difference there just is no way I can foresee me bein able to do an adequate job..sorry if this didnt help but just bein truthful..as always

Not everything works for everybody! There is no need to feel sorry as I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me. All I ask is that you do exactly what you did - be honest and share your thoughts and feelings.

Thank you Arful's dream

 

[zipman]

Being in a LDR, I kind of have to do this myself. It's worked surprisingly well, from immediate commands to slap my face, claw my back, pinch my nipples, and so on to long-term commands to not touch myself sexually, anywhere. I too imagine how hard T would be doing these things to me and I try to adjust the pain level accordingly. This helps to put me in the right mental place, where in my mind it isn't even me hurting myself. It's him. I enjoy that a lot.

I never even thought about how much this probably applies to LDR's or Online BDSM relationships. I just get off on the look on her face when I tell her to do it, and then wait a minute, and ask "do you really think that is hard enough?" The look on her face when I say that is incredible.

I also love giving her encouragement when she is doing it as hard as I would. Things such as "hold it, that's good, now twist it just a little more," etc.

 

[zipman]

I love putting a sub in a position where they have a choice but will experience pain either way.

For instance, one of my favorite punishments is to clamp the subs nipples with clover clamps and attach a chain to the clamps. The chain dangles to about 18" off the floor when she is standing up straight.

I make the sub hold both arms out straight and give her a broom which she holds parallel to the floor. I attach a chain to the broom handle and suspend a 5 lb. weight from it. The chain from her nipples is then attached to the weight with 2-3" of slack.

It will not take long for her arms to fatigue and sag. When they do, the weight will be transfered to her nipples, pulling on them painfully.

Of course, I am standing near by offering encouragement by smacking her ass with a riding crop if she bends her knees, elbows, etc.

-Vv

For the record, you are cruel, and mean and now I have something new to try! Thanks Vulpesvulpes

 

[A Desert Rose]

Interesting topic, interesting posts but, something I personally cannot relate to and am not able to speak to. Like Dream, it's not my touch that matters to me. It is the touch of my Dom that would have any affect at all.
Rose

 

[zipman]

Devils Advocate

Interesting topic, interesting posts but, something I personally cannot relate to and am not able to speak to. Like Dream, it's not my touch that matters to me. It is the touch of my Dom that would have any affect at all.
Rose

Rose, As a sub, and if you knew it would bring your Master pleasure, wouldn't doing it then bring you pleasure. Especially if you saw the pleased look on your Master's face?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Devils Advocate

Rose, As a sub, and if you knew it would bring your Master pleasure, wouldn't doing it then bring you pleasure. Especially if you saw the pleased look on your Master's face?

I'm not disagreeing with you, just trying to understand.

LOL. Yes, if I had a Dom and it would pleasure him for me to perform certain acts, of course I would do that. In pleasuring him, I would be pleasing myself, too. But as a form of punishment or discipline (?) I see no way this would work, for ME. I am sure it works for other subs. I just don't happen to be one that it would work for.
Now, masterbating for my Dom, especially as he directs me, is a whole other can of worms.... *smiling*

Rose

 

[zipman]

Re: Re: Devils Advocate

LOL. Yes, if I had a Dom and it would pleasure him for me to perform certain acts, of course I would do that. In pleasuring him, I would be pleasing myself, too. But as a form of punishment or discipline (?) I see no way this would work, for ME. I am sure it works for other subs. I just don't happen to be one that it would work for.
Now, masterbating for my Dom, especially as he directs me, is a whole other can of worms.... *smiling*

Rose

And I would never use a can of worms during a scene!!!

Different strokes for different folks

 

[A Desert Rose]

So back to where I was going.....

~~~~~~~Mr.Zippy, are you confusing punishment/discipline with the pleasure of your girlfriend/sub masterbating for you on your direction and command? Just wondering, so I might understand better.

Rose

 

[Quint]

I never even thought about how much this probably applies to LDR's or Online BDSM relationships. I just get off on the look on her face when I tell her to do it, and then wait a minute, and ask "do you really think that is hard enough?" The look on her face when I say that is incredible.

I also love giving her encouragement when she is doing it as hard as I would. Things such as "hold it, that's good, now twist it just a little more," etc.

Oh, yes.

Um....I'll be in my bedroom, um, reading....*staggers out of the forum*

 

[zipman]

Re: So back to where I was going.....

~~~~~~~Mr.Zippy, are you confusing punishment/discipline with the pleasure of your girlfriend/sub masterbating for you on your direction and command? Just wondering, so I might understand better.

Rose

No Rose, this is not about masturbation, although I like that too! This is about having a sub punish themsleves while I watch. I use this for the following reasons:

1) Seeing the pain on a sub's face from self-inflicted punishment turns me on
2) variety - it's better than my doing it sometimes
3) psychologically I find it erotic.

 

[SexyChele]

I have done this both skin to skin and over the phone - and I must admit that it does work. Having my Dom direct me in exactly the way he wants something done, the intensity, the number of repetitions, and then knowing he is watching/listening combines so many different feelings that it is incredible for me!

Pussy spanking is a "for sure" one - I even have one Dom who can tell by listening over the phone if I'm doing it hard enough. (Well, maybe he's guessing? Don't know, but he's dead on everytime!)

Another Dom, skin to skin, used to punish me occasionally by having me lie down and then bring a lighted candle to me. My instructions were always to hold the candle at a certain height and to cover whatever part of my body he directed. Sometimes the command was to allow the wax to drop, other times to dribble.

Being made to punish oneself, I believe, truly shows a Dom just how submissive to him you are willing to be. But then, that's just me.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: So back to where I was going.....

No Rose, this is not about masturbation, although I like that too! This is about having a sub punish themsleves while I watch. I use this for the following reasons:

1) Seeing the pain on a sub's face from self-inflicted punishment turns me on
2) variety - it's better than my doing it sometimes
3) psychologically I find it erotic.

~~~~~~~~~Okay big dog. I see what you mean now. But I still stand by my posts.
Thanks.
Rose

 

[Vulpesvulpes]

For the record, you are cruel, and mean and now I have something new to try! Thanks Vulpesvulpes

You're perfectly welcome! I have never thought of myself as a cruel dom, but I will take that as a compliment.

Of course, you can substitute any part of the aforementioned "torture". ie. instead of nipples, the labia would make a good anchor for the clamps, clothes pins could be used instead of clover clamps as they will "bite" if they slip off. Piercings could be used instead of clamps, etc. etc.

Here is another one:

Have the sub stand 12-18" from a wall facing away from it. S/he then leans back with his/her back flat against the wall and slides down until his/her thighs form a 90 degree angle with their torso and knees form a 90 degree angle and their feet flat on the floor. (Gym teachers used to call this the "Roman Chair" position) Tie the sub's ankles to his/her waist on a short rope so that s/he cannot stand up.

Place a lubed dildo under the sub so that the tip is touching whichever orifice you choose (on a female obviously).

The sub should want to avoid being penetrated for as long as possible. Therefore, the dildo could be lubed with an irritating substance, could be very cold, very large, etc (otherwise the little slut might just sink down on it right away!)

The sub's thighs will burn and then fatigue and eventually, s/he will have no choice but to accept the penetration. A short spreader bar between the ankles would limit movement more and probably make this more extreme.

-Vv

PS- Sorry to all the subs that will be subjected to my demented ideas!

 

[~Dream~]

Re: Re: there is no way..

Not everything works for everybody! There is no need to feel sorry as I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me. All I ask is that you do exactly what you did - be honest and share your thoughts and feelings.

Thank you Arful's dream

you are quite welcome Mr.zipman7 lol..and uh just for the record (after reading Sexy chele's post),I HAVE HAD TIME to reflect and just care to add that of COURSE if my Master recqusted or "commanded" me to punish myself in any way,then being the good submissive,slave that I AM.I'D comply at once CAUSE I SEEK ONLY to please HIM..

 

[artful]

One of my favorite things to do is to have a sub punish themselves. The two main ways that I do this is by having her:

Any thoughts from the rest of you on this???

I love to see womnn *Pleasure* themselves,... sometimes that involves pain!

 

[Persephone36]

This is a really interesting post to me -- and very insightful. For me one of my hard boundaries is someone inflicting pain on me -- or me inflicting pain on myself.

Some nipple twisting or light spanking or nipple clamps I can deal with -- to me that's on that pain/pleasure boundary. But it's about the sexual turn-on -- not the pain. And I wouldn't be able to be with someone who got off on the pain.

Which I guess just clarifies completely in my head if I ever actually had a question about it -- that any S/M is out of the question in my relationships.

It's an interesting question too that Zip poses. If it pleased my Dom would I do it? No, answer would still be no. It would give me no pleasure to please him in such a way and in fact -- it would make me break off the relationship immediately. So perhaps I'm not truly a submissive. Perhaps it's just aspects of bdsm that I enjoy -- but not as even the only type of relationship I want with a partner in the bedroom. I'm not sure I could ever completely submit. But then again -- if it's the right person, you work out your own versions of giving up complete control -- and that does attract me.

Ah...all this new territory to consider...*sigh*

P.

 

[P. B. Walker]

Good post Persephone. You made a great point... a BDSM doesn't have to be about, nor include pain or the inflicting of pain. I'm sort of the same way myself, I can't deal with receiving pain. Complete turn off. I can take a little or some pain, not like I'm a baby or anything (LOL), but it's not a pleasureable thing for me and it surely doesn't turn me on in anyway. In fact, it's the most immediate way for me to ruin a perfectly good hard-on. Hehe.

But for relationships that do involve pain and the inflicting of pain, I don't see why having the submissive do the inflicting. Personally, I say this is really only useful when there is a great distance involved and you are doing it over the internet/phone. I think most submissives thrive to feel the actual touch of their dominant. Which of course brings up another interesting aspect, forcing your submissive to perform punishment on themselves because you (as the Dom/me) are too disgusted with their behavior to even touch them... of course, I would assume the Dom/me would be telling them how disgusted they are during the punishment. So, that would be a good humiliation type thing and even a way for the Dom/me to show the submissive how really "bad" they were.

Anyhoo... enough from me. Good topic.

- PBW

 

[Ebonyfire]

Interesting thread cause it shows the differences between different approaches to D/s. Since I do not punish, I have no need to have my subs punish themselves. I discipline them cause I find it fun.

Ebony

 

[Hot4Heels]

Interesting thread cause it shows the differences between different approaches to D/s. Since I do not punish, I have no need to have my subs punish themselves. I discipline them cause I find it fun.

Ebony

Therefore if you were to make them punish themselves it would be the ultimate form of punishment.

 

[Ebonyfire]

Therefore if you were to make them punish themselves it would be the ultimate form of punishment.

Nope, I just do not use punishment. I correct mistakes, and reward (if I feel like it) good service. If they displease me, I dismiss them. They have a purpose to fulfill, if they fail to do so I replace them with someone else.

Eb

 

[Hot4Heels]

Ahh but for that fine line between a dismissable mistake and a disciplinary correction wouldn't this be one of the most trying acts for one of your subs since by that time they would know you do not punish?