Making someone itch

[MeesterAndrew]

Dude, that's completely true.

But this rule doesn't work in reverse. It doesn't mean that ANYTHING is safe in smaller amounts. It's not.

Hydrochloric acid is NOT safe for humans - in no amounts. Get this out of your head.

Look man I know that. In the same vein it doesn't mean that something isn't safe or more safe in smaller quantities. We rely on that principle for medicine, unless you want to tell me you've never taken any drug because it may be unsafe.

The same also applies both ways. I know for a fact nettles are not safe. I've seen the reaction they can cause. I've seen the damage and scars they can cause. And that is only in small quantities. So much for your theory you need tons for it to be dangerous. That's just your theory over known fact. Yet something more dangerous and uncontrolled is being advocated here while the same criticisms are being thrown at me. A lecture on safety from you is thus really rich.

Is acid for her? Or for you?
Again, as I said, if you direct her to this thread and she decides to go with it - that's fine by me. I'll still tell her time and time again that she shouldn't do that, because apparently I'm a hypocrite like that.

But the problem here is that it's not her who's asking this shit. It's you. And you, as a dominant, is in a position of power over someone else.
What YOU want should matter little. What SHE gets matters a lot.

Right now all I see is a guy who wants to play with fire, but risking not your own hide - but someone else's. Literally.
For me - this is reason enough to tell you what you SHOULD - no, MUST do.

If you are so irresponsible that you think you can make this decision - any decision, really - FOR your submissive.... You are just a very lousy dominant. That's it.

A Dominant is not someone in charge. It's not someone with power. It's not someone who makes decisions. That's a common delusion of the amateurs.
A dominant is someone who guides his sub on a journey over pre-determined set of rules and limits. If something is not in the limits (yet) - it gets discussed.
Any new activity gets researched thoroughly, tested on YOURSELF, tested with your submissive in a free non-sexual environment, and only THEN if THEY agree it gets to be allowed in the bedroom.
You NEVER pull surprises on your submissive in the form of new activities. And that said, your submissive's experience is MORE important that yours.
And a Dominant NEVER does anything that can be potentially harmful. NEVER. For any activity you take as many precautions as possible.

People are telling you over and over not to play with hazardous materials. They are called like that for a reason. There are people with chemical degrees telling you that. There are all sorts of sites you can find via Google that will tell you how DANGEROUS the acid is.

Remember when I talked about precautions? BDSM play should be designed in such a manner that any activity could be stopped immediately. Even ropes are tied in such a way to be untied or cut off in a matter of seconds.
Acid? The thing with it - you can't wash it away. You need to rince the affected place with water for 15-30 minutes to wash it.
That's not nearly as fast as you want.
And how long will it take you to get her untied and into shower if something goes wrong, huh? The acid will work a good number on her skin during that period.

That's not SAFE. People are telling you it's not SAFE. Not because they judge your kinks - but because it's DANGEROUS. You just won't accept it.

But You? You just have your desire above everything else - above common sense, above your girlfriend's wellbeing.

Fuck you.

You are not the one to decide that. You are wrong, you are judging. You are the one who took it on yourself to decide what are kinks and what are not. You do not have that right. People can decide for themselves what their kinks are. It's this behaviour that makes you a hypocrite.

I don't need you telling me how things work as I'm not a newb and people decide for themselves how their relationships works just like you did. You all just assumed I'm new and young because it's the first time I'm posting on your forum.

There's no need for others to tell me what to do to myself. I've used the stuff for soldering and I know what it can do or not do. I've had needle punctures that are worse and still have a scar to show for it. Yet that is an activity people take part in. I don't see you launching a crusade to stop them from doing so or telling them it's not a kink.

And don't tell me that you've never done something to someone that YOU didn't also WANT! If you can say that with a straight face then you haven't actually done anything to anybody.

A nice fuck you in return.

 

[MeesterAndrew]

PS: Thinking about this again, actually everything has a safe point and an unsafe point. Even arsenic is safe in small doses and present in the environment. There's even indications our bodies can use it or maybe even require it. So I don't know where the above came from that not everything is safe in smaller amounts as our knowledge and experience dictates that everything actually is.

Parcelsus stated: "All substances are poisons. There in none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy."

 

[MeekMe]

Dude, it's not that you're new to the forum, it's that your first post didn't indicate any real knowledge of what you're planning to do. If you actually have a clue then it wouldn't have been hard for you to explain your level of experience, all you did was flail about complaining that you're being "kink shamed" when you're not. No one here can physically stop you from doing this so I don't know why you haven't run off to go do it. You still haven't given any indication that you know what you're doing and so far I'm not seeing where you've tested your plan out and what the results were. What is it that you want here?

Also, you keep complaining about nettles. If you don't like nettles don't use it. You've made no acknowledgement of taro root use even though it causes the itching you want. Seems like you're butt hurt we don't think your plan is as brilliant as you seem to think it is. Go ahead, do it. Let us know how it goes. Maybe you could put it in a spray bottle and test that on yourself too.

 

[MeesterAndrew]

Dude, it's not that you're new to the forum, it's that your first post didn't indicate any real knowledge of what you're planning to do.

That's as far as I read. No it's that you just made assumptions about me applying your own knowledge or rather lack thereof should I say. Well I don't know you, I don't care to know you, and never will know you after this. Piss off. kthxbye.

 

[MeesterAndrew]

One more thing. You should seriously do some introspection on your attitude if not for yourself then at least for others. Because I do not want any of you to ever be the ones someone gets to talk to if they were seriously not caring for the welfare of others. The result won't be very good.

It's not for my own sake I'm saying this but rather for those it may help. Use it or lose it. At least my conscience is clean.

 

[Nezhul]

Yet something more dangerous and uncontrolled is being advocated here while the same criticisms are being thrown at me. A lecture on safety from you is thus really rich.

Personally, I wouldn't play with any chemicals. Nettles, itching powder, acids, smelling powders - whatever. Screw all that.

If you want to make her insane, take a feather and sliwly tickle her while she cant get away. Mych more sexual than itching and acid (which by the way smells awful too)

You are wrong, you are judging. You are the one who took it on yourself to decide what are kinks and what are not. You do not have that right. People can decide for themselves what their kinks are. It's this behaviour that makes you a hypocrite.

That's why, as I said, bring your girlfriend here and let her read the thread. Let her decide. And then I fuck off.

Yet that is an activity people take part in. I don't see you launching a crusade to stop them from doing so or telling them it's not a kink.

I don't see any people discussing it here?
I would warn them not to do that.

And don't tell me that you've never done something to someone that YOU didn't also WANT! If you can say that with a straight face then you haven't actually done anything to anybody.

Of course I did. But not before ensuring that that's what THEY want. Specifically.
Limits are different. That's why there are things that I don't want being done to me, but I know that my girlfriend may actually get a kick out of them. It's fine.

Again, my problem with this is that we know YOU want to play with acid. But I have doubts that YOUR SUB wants it and understands it completely.


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Aaaand then he turned into a white knight among dirty plebs. Not gonna even quote that.

 

[MeekMe]

Yeah, I'm the bad person because I told you your idea was bad and gave you an alternative option. Still not backing up that years of experience and still arguing that anything can be safe/dangerous without actually saying why/how you think hydrochloric acid could be safely used to creating itching without permanent damage. Refusing to read a whole post and flouncing with epic butt hurt. On top of that you think anyone here needs your "advice?"

Put your hydrochloric acid where your mouth is.

 

[MeesterAndrew]

Yeah, I'm the bad person because I told you your idea was bad and gave you an alternative option. Still not backing up that years of experience and still arguing that anything can be safe/dangerous without actually saying why/how you think hydrochloric acid could be safely used to creating itching without permanent damage. Refusing to read a whole post and flouncing with epic butt hurt. On top of that you think anyone here needs your "advice?"

Put your hydrochloric acid where your mouth is.

That is not what I said. The facts here stand, we have one person saying what everyone else's kinks should be and what not. You can say it isn't so but it's right there in his post. I read it ffs. That is not something that's acceptable.

If he really thinks I'm going to send anybody here after such an exchange he must be living in his own dream world. And let's face it, there are no "rules of thumb." As much as some would like to portray, perhaps for the rest of the world, that there is some kind of rule book to follow there just simply isn't. As long as nobody is abducted and forced then whatever individuals decide among themselves is acceptable.

If you can't understand why I "keep complaining" (your words) about nettles then I unfortunately can't help you. It's not that it's beneath me to use and I'll happily do so if the purpose is to cause someone agony for days or possibly weeks. I was just pointing out how the danger and risks gets ignored because it's something people are comfortable with while something that most people only have "tv" knowledge of is for some reason completely out of the question.

The reason I stopped reading is because you start right off trying to still justify why you are correct. So apparently I didn't start off by giving my whole history and what I know. Well I didn't know that's required. It's never been a requirement anywhere. If people want to know they usually ask in a civil way instead of saying "you sound like you don't know what you're doing."

Sorry but that's not people I would ever want to know or associate with.

 

[Cumference]

Funny!

It happens quite often.

Someone makes a profile, posts something that is irresponsible, stupid or illegal, and when that is pointed out, the noob reacts by feeling (loudly) victimized and accusing anybody within hearing distance of being intolerant haters.

"Meester" should that be pronounced as "mister" or "master"?*

The core of the thread: you said you intended to do something that was irresponsible and stupid. It was pointed out, and you reacted like an American president caught in a lie.

Be happy, people wanted to help you not doing something stupid.


*it means "master" in Dutch and "Gawds gift to the lucky partner" according to Urban Dictionary: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meester