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I am finding it to be too emotional of an experience to go through again.
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I am finding it to be too emotional of an experience to go through again.
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I sort of want to see Sayid and Shannon, and Sawyer and Juliet, and Charlie and Claire reunite all over again. That was a huge release for me. I loved the emotionality of the finale.
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I understand.
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That's what I like about it. I think I'll watch it again.
The most powerful moment, to me, was where Charlie and Claire recognized each other. That was tremendous.
It's a bit sad to see series like "Lost" and "24" go away, with nothing even close appearing on the horizon.
That's another one worth a repeat viewing: the season and series finale of "24."
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Lots of people have stated how emotional the finale was and I'm by no means saying it wasn't and granted I'm not exactly the type who is easy to bring to tears but Lost didn't have that effect on me whereas 24, the final scene, brought a tear to my eye. Gonna miss them both.
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Okay, that was a nice explanation of what the Sideways Universe was, but no explanation at all of what the Island was.
The island is where those of us who might properly be considered candidates, might like to be – in an effort to be less alone in our efforts (which was rather obvious once Jack had the initial ‘fast-forward’). It basically means, ‘Don’t kill yourself’. Or at the very least, ‘Don’t stop fighting. There’s purpose.’ Don’t fail. Exist!
-I didn’t dig Desmond’s result either. He should have been FAR more the solution than he was – given he was the only character truly discovered and certain of how ‘Love’ factors in. He was the constant there. The constant dedicated. ‘I fucked up and I’ve known it ever since. There’s no sway in me. I only want to correct where I let her go. Let me have another chance. I know where I’m going.’
They blew that connection in my mind for certain. Desmond was about to be the answer... and then he suddenly became unimportant. Nope. No likee that!
Lucky Bitch
I gotta tell ya, I’ve got a serious man-crush on Sawyer. He makes Han Solo look like an amateur. Furthermore, that dude can ACT!! He’s a fine actor. And there better be an extended career following this, much like Harrison Ford. Brother is seriously under-rated in that respect. He MADE that character viable. Just another asshole in less capable hands. He was brilliant.
I’m gonna miss loving a type I normally can’t stand. (Brett Michaels might currently be challenging him for dudes I can’t stand that ultimately win me over to the point of, uh, gay for them? No, that’s a bit too far. I’ll miss Sawyer. But Brett’s a survivor – rock on, mate.)
HB1965
When they started to reunite people I was really hoping that what that meant was that, in it's own way, what happened at the end of 5 had worked and that some people were going to go on in one universe while some went on in another.
That’s exactly what happened. That was the point.
How did they fail you in that respect? They didn’t.
Light Ice
They used the latter. Complete with the omni-favorable stain-glass window in the church heralding the six major religions. I was disappointed.
I was about to nail you, but you saw that window also. Okay then (hurray Tivo. I can’t live without it).
You’d rather they did what?
Mothership
It was a bit disappointing. Like all my other theories they proved me wrong. Then this theory, which a lot of people guessed, they didn't even try to stump us. Just threw it out, and said we are done.
I beg to differ...
The final spin was (and not that there’s a need for a spin), the island was not Purgatory – or a go between – the afterlife was. If you’ve REALLY consumed it all the last 6yrs... that’s pretty smart.
It wasn’t a cheat. It was the right thing to say.
PrettyPosie
Personally, I loved the finale and it was everything it was suppose to be, to me.
They answered a lot, not everything, but I'm content with being able to draw my own conclusions and speculate and wonder. I do not need to be force fed a bunch of fancy bullshit and have a writer hold my hand through a story; I'm a big girl and can make the final jumps by myself and come up with an answer that satisfies ME. Not having every answer does not make it suck for me.
Uh oh... We might have a Kate on our hands...
And they wanted to find each other because they went through these things together and they wanted to move on together to whatever was after that. So the island wasn't Purgatory; if anything, the alternate reality was the Purgatory, a holding place before they could all move on together.
Uhhhh... that’s verbatim correct. *Gimme a sec while I stuff it back into my pants...*
Well said, sister.
And there you have it. I have nothing to add. Precisely!
>> That's just it, they're the same reasons over and over; inconsistencies, plot-driven versus character-driven, season finales ftw, etc. You've said all of this before. I don't care if you don't like it, but it's annoying when you keep saying the same thing over and over and it's a bit spammy.
Okay, okay, don’t pound on the guy. He heard you as much as you’re duplicating. We’re trying to get off the island.... remember?
Byron
"What's gonna happen, Jack?"
"I'm gonna kill you."
"And how to you plan to do that?"
"That's a surprise."
Yeah, mate. That’s when I got my back off the couch and got real excited about having my Jack back. That 1st hour was far better than the 2nd. They kinda dweebed it from then, even the coast thing was a bit too 300 for my tastes. For me, Jack has always been the guy that pummeled the crap out of Linus for making him choose between death beyond the walkie-talkie – and the life of those behind him (back when they were heading to the tower). The way that scene was done... I absolutely felt the impossible option jack was in, and I would have killed that fucker right through the face. I loved the way they punished Linus for that... and I also knew that’s the problem about me. Cuz it still holds no answer for what to have done in that equation. I felt as feeble as the doctor... in punching someone out. 'What now? What benefit is that? I don't have the control I need... I have none. In the end... I have none... People will die. And there's nothing I can fucking do about it. There's no getting it off myself. I'll get people killed... period.'
Nice quote call, mate.
HornyHenry
And, raise your hands, how many expected to see Christian in the coffin?
How many people put together the term ‘Christian Shepherd’ until they made it obvious. Did anyone catch that for 6yrs prior?
In any case, I’ve no doubt the creators could give a rats ass about being specific and correct for every affirming/discounting religion in existence. they covered it all. And that window wasn't an accident. I thought it very respectful.
>>There was always going to be some tension between those who saw Lost primarily as sci-fi, and those who mostly watched for the adventure and human interest. This season, and especially the last episode, really sided heavily with the latter.
I disagree.
I think the biggest loose end was that at least in my view, they never really established that what Jacob believed about the importance of the island was actually true
It doesn’t matter. Jacob believes we’ll determine that for ourselves. We’ll CHOOSE to. Because we believe in humanity.
The Man in Black believes we’ll take whatever choice gets us forward. By nature we will kill, corrupt, fail, disease. We’ll want more of that light. A little bit won’t be enough. We’ll always want... forevermore.
I’m not sure what it means when ‘mother earth’ kills a another woman who birth’s twins. And does so because she’ll hurt too hard to lose their love. Can’t let them get away and progress? That’s a pretty serious criminal issue! (That is currently happening, btw. Often.) The lines they drew are maybe a bit too... grey (I like to misspell it).
But the bottom line is Jacob represented opportunity of free will to sacrifice. And the Man in Black said, ‘You’ll kill for it. That is your nature. I want to kill for it too. I want progress. Let’s kill our way out of this prison.’
It’s actually a good debate. And that was the nature of Lost. They were careful (maybe too much) to ever declare a correct thought.
Until the end...
Whatever you choose, you’re going to have to live with it afterwards. What do YOU want to remember?
Okay, that was a nice explanation of what the Sideways Universe was, but no explanation at all of what the Island was.
The island is where those of us who might properly be considered candidates, might like to be – in an effort to be less alone in our efforts (which was rather obvious once Jack had the initial ‘fast-forward’). It basically means, ‘Don’t kill yourself’. Or at the very least, ‘Don’t stop fighting. There’s purpose.’ Don’t fail. Exist!
-I didn’t dig Desmond’s result either. He should have been FAR more the solution than he was – given he was the only character truly discovered and certain of how ‘Love’ factors in. He was the constant there. The constant dedicated. ‘I fucked up and I’ve known it ever since. There’s no sway in me. I only want to correct where I let her go. Let me have another chance. I know where I’m going.’
They blew that connection in my mind for certain. Desmond was about to be the answer... and then he suddenly became unimportant. Nope. No likee that!
Lucky Bitch
I gotta tell ya, I’ve got a serious man-crush on Sawyer. He makes Han Solo look like an amateur. Furthermore, that dude can ACT!! He’s a fine actor. And there better be an extended career following this, much like Harrison Ford. Brother is seriously under-rated in that respect. He MADE that character viable. Just another asshole in less capable hands. He was brilliant.
I’m gonna miss loving a type I normally can’t stand. (Brett Michaels might currently be challenging him for dudes I can’t stand that ultimately win me over to the point of, uh, gay for them? No, that’s a bit too far. I’ll miss Sawyer. But Brett’s a survivor – rock on, mate.)
HB1965
When they started to reunite people I was really hoping that what that meant was that, in it's own way, what happened at the end of 5 had worked and that some people were going to go on in one universe while some went on in another.
That’s exactly what happened. That was the point.
How did they fail you in that respect? They didn’t.
Light Ice
They used the latter. Complete with the omni-favorable stain-glass window in the church heralding the six major religions. I was disappointed.
I was about to nail you, but you saw that window also. Okay then (hurray Tivo. I can’t live without it).
You’d rather they did what?
Mothership
It was a bit disappointing. Like all my other theories they proved me wrong. Then this theory, which a lot of people guessed, they didn't even try to stump us. Just threw it out, and said we are done.
I beg to differ...
The final spin was (and not that there’s a need for a spin), the island was not Purgatory – or a go between – the afterlife was. If you’ve REALLY consumed it all the last 6yrs... that’s pretty smart.
It wasn’t a cheat. It was the right thing to say.
PrettyPosie
Personally, I loved the finale and it was everything it was suppose to be, to me.
They answered a lot, not everything, but I'm content with being able to draw my own conclusions and speculate and wonder. I do not need to be force fed a bunch of fancy bullshit and have a writer hold my hand through a story; I'm a big girl and can make the final jumps by myself and come up with an answer that satisfies ME. Not having every answer does not make it suck for me.
Uh oh... We might have a Kate on our hands...
And they wanted to find each other because they went through these things together and they wanted to move on together to whatever was after that. So the island wasn't Purgatory; if anything, the alternate reality was the Purgatory, a holding place before they could all move on together.
Uhhhh... that’s verbatim correct. *Gimme a sec while I stuff it back into my pants...*
Well said, sister.
And there you have it. I have nothing to add. Precisely!
>> That's just it, they're the same reasons over and over; inconsistencies, plot-driven versus character-driven, season finales ftw, etc. You've said all of this before. I don't care if you don't like it, but it's annoying when you keep saying the same thing over and over and it's a bit spammy.
Okay, okay, don’t pound on the guy. He heard you as much as you’re duplicating. We’re trying to get off the island.... remember?
Byron
"What's gonna happen, Jack?"
"I'm gonna kill you."
"And how to you plan to do that?"
"That's a surprise."
Yeah, mate. That’s when I got my back off the couch and got real excited about having my Jack back. That 1st hour was far better than the 2nd. They kinda dweebed it from then, even the coast thing was a bit too 300 for my tastes. For me, Jack has always been the guy that pummeled the crap out of Linus for making him choose between death beyond the walkie-talkie – and the life of those behind him (back when they were heading to the tower). The way that scene was done... I absolutely felt the impossible option jack was in, and I would have killed that fucker right through the face. I loved the way they punished Linus for that... and I also knew that’s the problem about me. Cuz it still holds no answer for what to have done in that equation. I felt as feeble as the doctor... in punching someone out. 'What now? What benefit is that? I don't have the control I need... I have none. In the end... I have none... People will die. And there's nothing I can fucking do about it. There's no getting it off myself. I'll get people killed... period.'
Nice quote call, mate.
HornyHenry
And, raise your hands, how many expected to see Christian in the coffin?
How many people put together the term ‘Christian Shepherd’ until they made it obvious. Did anyone catch that for 6yrs prior?
In any case, I’ve no doubt the creators could give a rats ass about being specific and correct for every affirming/discounting religion in existence. they covered it all. And that window wasn't an accident. I thought it very respectful.
>>There was always going to be some tension between those who saw Lost primarily as sci-fi, and those who mostly watched for the adventure and human interest. This season, and especially the last episode, really sided heavily with the latter.
I disagree.
I think the biggest loose end was that at least in my view, they never really established that what Jacob believed about the importance of the island was actually true
It doesn’t matter. Jacob believes we’ll determine that for ourselves. We’ll CHOOSE to. Because we believe in humanity.
The Man in Black believes we’ll take whatever choice gets us forward. By nature we will kill, corrupt, fail, disease. We’ll want more of that light. A little bit won’t be enough. We’ll always want... forevermore.
I’m not sure what it means when ‘mother earth’ kills a another woman who birth’s twins. And does so because she’ll hurt too hard to lose their love. Can’t let them get away and progress? That’s a pretty serious criminal issue! (That is currently happening, btw. Often.) The lines they drew are maybe a bit too... grey (I like to misspell it).
But the bottom line is Jacob represented opportunity of free will to sacrifice. And the Man in Black said, ‘You’ll kill for it. That is your nature. I want to kill for it too. I want progress. Let’s kill our way out of this prison.’
It’s actually a good debate. And that was the nature of Lost. They were careful (maybe too much) to ever declare a correct thought.
Until the end...
Whatever you choose, you’re going to have to live with it afterwards. What do YOU want to remember?
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Meanwhile ...back on Dharma Station Caligula...
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Um no... that's not what happened. Most of them died and didn't get another chance. They were hovering in a fantasy until the others could join them. Jin didn't get a chance to meet his daughter and Sawyer and Juliette weren't really reunited to have the life together they could have.
And it's not that they failed me it's that they just did something different.
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Well, I gotta say the ending - at least for me - was PERFECT. It exactly fitted with what Lost ever was and ever will be. All the people complaining about the ending and crying "cop-out" to me are absolutely missing the point.
They either a.) are looking for answers to questions that never even mattered to the show's core/main theme or b.) are overlooking the obvious answers that were never specifically given but always implied/hinted at.
For me as a scholar of film and television, what always mattered to me was the narrative techniques of Lost. And while on a micro-level (the details and particular manifestation of the show) at times they failed me or went with the pretty simple way of least resistance, on a macro-level they were at the top of their game and to some degree revolutionized television. Just think about the way they changed the structure and narrative technique of the show over and over again and even though this might have been b/c of declining viewership, they still managed to incorporate it into the theme of the show.
Did they answer all the questions? Certainly not b/c that would have been a foolish attempt and destroyed everything that was great about Lost.
Did they answer the most important questions? They certainly did, a lot of them by implying an answer or giving us the possibility of creating our very own answer.
What we now got was a very spectacular, emotional satisfying, thought-provoking and inspiring finale. That it rests in the realm of spirituality rather than science-fiction is not only fine but also makes the point what Lost was always about. They could have made an action-packed show adventure show, what they really did instead was a character-driven drama.
And thus, it ended the way it did.
We should be grateful for that.
El Snoop
They either a.) are looking for answers to questions that never even mattered to the show's core/main theme or b.) are overlooking the obvious answers that were never specifically given but always implied/hinted at.
For me as a scholar of film and television, what always mattered to me was the narrative techniques of Lost. And while on a micro-level (the details and particular manifestation of the show) at times they failed me or went with the pretty simple way of least resistance, on a macro-level they were at the top of their game and to some degree revolutionized television. Just think about the way they changed the structure and narrative technique of the show over and over again and even though this might have been b/c of declining viewership, they still managed to incorporate it into the theme of the show.
Did they answer all the questions? Certainly not b/c that would have been a foolish attempt and destroyed everything that was great about Lost.
Did they answer the most important questions? They certainly did, a lot of them by implying an answer or giving us the possibility of creating our very own answer.
What we now got was a very spectacular, emotional satisfying, thought-provoking and inspiring finale. That it rests in the realm of spirituality rather than science-fiction is not only fine but also makes the point what Lost was always about. They could have made an action-packed show adventure show, what they really did instead was a character-driven drama.
And thus, it ended the way it did.
We should be grateful for that.
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Sayid chose poorly.
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Just wanted to let you know that they are replaying Lost again now on ABC with the little captions at the bottom explaining the scenes.
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Oh, good. I see you are west coast. I only found out about it a few mins ago so I missed a good part of the captions.
eta...oh, sorry. Did you mean from the first season?
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When does sons of anarchy start again?
F lost.....thats for yuppies stuck in cubicles their whole lives who need something to talk about at the water cooler.
F lost.....thats for yuppies stuck in cubicles their whole lives who need something to talk about at the water cooler.
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September.
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Pilot to the End.
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Just found time to watch the last three hours of it.
What an immense disappointment of an ending.
Feels a real let down that the ending is pretty much the theme I guessed episode 1 season 1... then set aside as it was too damned obvious and 'write by numbers'.
The series was one of the most entertaining I can ever recall. The potential was huge. The directors and writers wasted it.
The ending was 'nice' and 'happy' , in its pedestrian way. But... if it had been any more slushy it would have needed relocating to a little cabin on a prairie.
Christsake we even had the doors opening to the white light place...
It felt like some cobbled together cop out rather than an endpoint for six years of great characters and storylines.
Shame.
What an immense disappointment of an ending.
Feels a real let down that the ending is pretty much the theme I guessed episode 1 season 1... then set aside as it was too damned obvious and 'write by numbers'.
The series was one of the most entertaining I can ever recall. The potential was huge. The directors and writers wasted it.
The ending was 'nice' and 'happy' , in its pedestrian way. But... if it had been any more slushy it would have needed relocating to a little cabin on a prairie.
Christsake we even had the doors opening to the white light place...
It felt like some cobbled together cop out rather than an endpoint for six years of great characters and storylines.
Shame.
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That's completely incorrect.
They got exactly all of that. Precisely as pissed off
How is that not understood?
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It's not understood because you're idea is not what happened. They were dead not alive. They did not have a chance at that other life.
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I would like to think so , but the massive scientific content , all with discernible outcomes and causes becomes irrelevant in light of the whole purgatory/white light ending.
Sadly I really do feel the writers/producers wimped out on the intended ending because it didn't remain the mystery they hoped.
The ending was expressed by many right at the start of the first season.
That is a shame, and a waste of great characters and options in terms of storyline.
