Los Angeles stands up to ICE

[jomar]

If you read into the article what Trump was referring to was the National Guard being mobilized under title 10 to actual engage protestors. Under the 'POSSE COMATATUS' certain declarations have to be made by the president of the United States, one being enacting the 'insurrection act' another invoking 'Martial Law'. In 2020 he refused both.

The active duty status for national Guardsmen today is strictly defensive, for the protection of federal property and federal law enforcement. THEY ARE NOT CLOSING with PROTESTERS OR RIOTERS. LAPD, the sheriffs department and CHIPS are handling protesters along with some federal law enforcement. Difference today is that federal law enforcement are there in force, being on the scene allow US attorneys to play a larger role in that federal charges in federal courts will give prosecutions some teeth.

I believe the Marines are not bound by the 'Posse Comitatus act'.

Lessons were learned from 2020 riots. Having active duty soldiers on site is a wise move.

Every military brass interviewed is of one voice saying LA doesn’t rise even close to a situation that warrants the military being sent in. It’s an authoritarian show of power and intimidation, not really to protect anything.

Should have happened J/6.

Absolutely on that because actual insurrection.

Politicians grow wiser over time. IMHO

Wiser in the sense he has no guardrails so can make unnecessary, but authoritarian moves to make statements.

What he says off the cuff and what he does are two different situations. It is very obvious and Trump makes it very obvious that he will abide by court decisions and work the system.

You mean “abide” by actively defying SCOTUS and not getting Garcia back to the US when directed to do so, or not releasing billions of funds properly allocated by congress? Things like that?

He will appeal to congress to put district court judges back in line and appeal his cases in succession to the higher courts. In many cases district court judges are wrong but once a decision even if wrong it interferes with article II authority. District court judges that are overruled by higher courts should pay a price for being wrong.

These court judges, some of them trump appointees, are following the rule of law when trump overreaches. They are just doing their jobs and for you to say they should be punished for being wrong, which really means they should be punished because they ruled against what trump wants, is a very trumpian notion regarding intimidation and chilling effects on those who don’t blindly go along.

He campaigned on it and it was very popular, probably won him the the election.

Upholding the law and is well within his authority.

Yes, just because can though doesn’t mean he should, especially without communicating with governors.

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Wrong, you're delusional. He campaigned on enforcing immigration law and mass deportations.

You twisted my post to mean something other than what I actually posted.

I never wrote he campaigned on using the military. Jomar wrote two different thoughts.

How did I twist your post? What were those two different thoughts?

Upholding immigration laws was part his campaign strategy. In this case he used the military to protect federal property and federal employees doing their job.

One is a campaign promise and the other is a reaction to the situation on the ground.

You mean gross overreaction.

You love playing word games. You post an article from 2020 which has zero relevance to the topic at hand. 2020 is not 2025.

I cut and pasted search results and that got caught up. But maybe it shows how long he’s been ignoring the constitution when he can get away with it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Every military brass interviewed is of one voice saying LA doesn’t rise even close to a situation that warrants the military being sent in. It’s an authoritarian show of power and intimidation, not really to protect anything.


Absolutely on that because actual insurrection.


Wiser in the sense he has no guardrails so can make unnecessary, but authoritarian moves to make statements.


You mean “abide” by actively defying SCOTUS and not getting Garcia back to the US when directed to do so, or not releasing billions of funds properly allocated by congress? Things like that?


These court judges, some of them trump appointees, are following the rule of law when trump overreaches. They are just doing their jobs and for you to say they should be punished for being wrong, which really means they should be punished because they ruled against what trump wants, is a very trumpian notion regarding intimidation and chilling effects on those who don’t blindly go along.


Yes, just because can though doesn’t mean he should, especially without communicating with governors.


How did I twist your post? What were those two different thoughts?


You mean gross overreaction.


I cut and pasted search results and that got caught up. But maybe it shows how long he’s been ignoring the constitution when he can get away with it.

I watched an interview with Jack Keene and he agrees with Trump. Even Bill Barr agreed with the use of troops.

 

[DeluxAuto]

LAPD has repeatedly said that they were nowhere near needing assistance.

If law enforcement request assistance from guard soldiers that is legal.

 

[Lazaran]

Toddlers are stupid.

That ^ is unfair to toddlers.

Toddlers are smarter (and taller) than Lacy.

 

[Bn2f]

District court judges that are overruled by higher courts should pay a price for being wrong.

If they make rulings based on political persuasion and not the law, yes they should. IMHO

Yeah, no.
No one should be fooled by this talk. Ican is saying the quiet part of his wish out loud as he rushes towards a rule where anything against his dear racist leader is a wrong. He wishes for kangaroo courts and summary judgment. A 5-4 SCOTUS ruling for trump? How dare 4 justices oppose.

 

[Politruk]

Once again: LA is not on fire. The demonstrations are happening on a few particular streets downtown -- not even all of downtown. The city will not have to rebuild from this -- not unless the NG and Marines get out of hand.

 

[Politruk]

If they make rulings based on political persuasion and not the law, yes they should. IMHO

That is not even impeachable. And no judge is competent to rule that another judge has made a ruling for political reasons.

 

[icanhelp1]

LAPD has repeatedly said that they were nowhere near needing assistance.

In a news video, LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell stated that his department was "overwhelmed" by the violent protests in downtown Los Angeles. He specifically mentioned that officers were facing violence, including individuals shooting fireworks and ramming motorcycles into officers. The LAPD had made at least 10 arrests for violence on Sunday alone, and more arrests were expected. The chief also noted that the damage to city property, including the civic center, was "significant".

Stop watching Lawrence O'Donnell

 

[jomar]

I watched an interview with Jack Keene and he agrees with Trump. Even Bill Barr agreed with the use of troops.

I stand corrected. One brass agrees, a general who is now a FOX news commentator, ergo, a MAGAlyte, and a MAGA former AG who has never been in the military.

 

[Lazaran]

I stand corrected. One brass agrees, a general who is now a FOX news commentator, ergo, a MAGAlyte, and a MAGA former AG who has never been in the military.

ineedhelp1 is picking Magaschino cherries…



We. Told. Them. So.

 

[DeluxAuto]

In a news video, LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell stated that his department was "overwhelmed" by the violent protests in downtown Los Angeles. He specifically mentioned that officers were facing violence, including individuals shooting fireworks and ramming motorcycles into officers. The LAPD had made at least 10 arrests for violence on Sunday alone, and more arrests were expected. The chief also noted that the damage to city property, including the civic center, was "significant".

Stop watching Lawrence O'Donnell

And in no part did he say they needed the National Guard, dipshit. You literally proved my point

Stop listening to the convicted felon and habitual liar, traitor.

 

[Pad_Foot]

Once again: LA is not on fire. The demonstrations are happening on a few particular streets downtown -- not even all of downtown. The city will not have to rebuild from this -- not unless the NG and Marines get out of hand.

But? I’ve seen hundreds of Waymo’s burned! Everyday on the news since Friday

LA will be burned out husk like Portland soon !! Where will all those people move ?

 

[icanhelp1]

And in no part did he say they needed the National Guard, dipshit. You literally proved my point

Stop listening to the convicted felon and habitual liar, traitor.

Where in my posting did I say the chief asked for NG assistance.

Overwhelmed!! Any mayor with common sense would have asked for assistance. His reprobate shithead of a mayor would have fired him for asking. I don't believe Bass or the chief have the authority to request NG help. That's Newsom or Trump's job.

Overwhelmed is quite a significant statement.

 

[Politruk]

Overwhelmed is quite a significant statement.

If the chief said that, he lied. This isn't the 1992 riots -- nothing is going on that the city police would not be able to handle.

 

[DeluxAuto]

I don't believe Bass or the chief have the authority to request NG help. That's Newsom or Trump's job.

Where the fuck do you think the request would start with? The LAPD chief who said he didn't need outside help. The felon made this not just worse but he created the chaos.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Riots on behalf of illegal immigrants benefit Trump and the Republican Party.

 

[icanhelp1]

Where the fuck do you think the request would start with? The LAPD chief who said he didn't need outside help. The felon made this not just worse but he created the chaos.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

There's a chain of command DUMBFUCK!!!

 

[ll74]

Senator Padilla mandhandled by Noem's Goons. This should be fun to see MAGA fucks defend.

Padilla forcibly removed from Noem press conference, handcuffed​

https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/5347222-padilla-forcibly-removed-noem-press-conference/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=17497547122209&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5347222-padilla-forcibly-removed-noem-press-conference/

 

[Lance_Castro]

Once all the Slaves are expelled, Americans should be able to get healthy and lose some weight from all the food shortages.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Ronnie DeSantis is desperate for attention, so he announced that Florida drivers have a right to run over protesters.

What a pathetic little runt he is. BabyBoo actually admires him.

 

[DeluxAuto]

There's a chain of command DUMBFUCK!!!

Yes, you fucking muppet, there is, and it starts with the LAPD.

My God, you're hopeless.

 

[Politruk]

There's a chain of command DUMBFUCK!!!

That has no relevance. Bass and Newsom didn't ask for the National Guard either.

 

[Politruk]

Riots on behalf of illegal immigrants benefit Trump and the Republican Party.

Before all this happened I would have agreed. But now Trump comes off looking like the bad guy and Newsom the hero. Even the NG troops look like villains here, fairly or not.

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

 

[Politruk]

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And even in that dishonestly photoshopped pic, they look like heroes.