Look, Islam is not going away

[KingOrfeo]

Don't get me wrong, I heartily wish it would go away. I have no defenses to offer of Islamic doctrines or traditions, I have no time for any Yahvist faith -- this world would be a better place if Abraham had been the village atheist -- and Islam cannot even claim good religious music as a redeeming feature -- but, we have to face facts: One human being in five is a Muslim. 100 years ago, one human being in five was a Muslim. Almost certainly, 100 years from now, one human being in five will be a Muslim. Islam is not going to overwhelm and convert all the world, nor are hundreds of millions of Muslims going to apostasize en masse to other faiths or to agnosticism or atheism. Jihadist Salafism can perhaps be finally defeated and permanently marginalized, but Islam as such is never going to go the way of Fascism and Nazism and Communism, and the infidel world will just have to reach a workable accommodation with it. All discussions of how to respond to Islamic terrorism must begin from that incontrovertible assumption.

 

[about_average]

I really like middle eastern music.

 

[sethp]

So true

 

[BotanyBoy]

Don't get me wrong, I heartily wish it would go away.

I don't think you do...

but Islam as such is never going to go the way of Fascism and Nazism and Communism, and the infidel world will just have to reach a workable accommodation with it.

Look at you bending over and spreading butt cheeks to workably accommodate ISIS and every other radical "workplace violence" gang you can think of.

All discussions of how to respond to Islamic terrorism must begin from that incontrovertible assumption.

No....they don't......

 

[about_average]

Also, not all Muslims are like the religious fanatics.
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/webfm_send/135

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Then we have lotsa work to do to reduce the number.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I really like middle eastern music.

All traditional Middle Eastern music I've ever heard before is crap compared to Western tonal music -- or, for that matter, compared to traditional Chinese or Indian music. YMMV.

 

[loquere]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADKaoCxnYM

 

[KingOrfeo]

Look at you bending over and spreading butt cheeks to workably accommodate ISIS and every other radical "workplace violence" gang you can think of.

It is not "bending over" simply to point out that one of the world's five or six major religions, which has been with us for centuries and has hundreds of millions of believers, is going to be with us a while yet and there's nothing short of genocide we can do to change that.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

So true

scumbag buttplug

 

[NeverEndingMe]

you are not even American so shut the fuck up

Don't get me wrong, I heartily wish it would go away. I have no defenses to offer of Islamic doctrines or traditions, I have no time for any Yahvist faith -- this world would be a better place if Abraham had been the village atheist -- and Islam cannot even claim good religious music as a redeeming feature -- but, we have to face facts: One human being in five is a Muslim. 100 years ago, one human being in five was a Muslim. Almost certainly, 100 years from now, one human being in five will be a Muslim. Islam is not going to overwhelm and convert all the world, nor are hundreds of millions of Muslims going to apostasize en masse to other faiths or to agnosticism or atheism. Jihadist Salafism can perhaps be finally defeated and permanently marginalized, but Islam as such is never going to go the way of Fascism and Nazism and Communism, and the infidel world will just have to reach a workable accommodation with it. All discussions of how to respond to Islamic terrorism must begin from that incontrovertible assumption.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Don't get me wrong, I heartily wish it would go away. I have no defenses to offer of Islamic doctrines or traditions, I have no time for any Yahvist faith -- this world would be a better place if Abraham had been the village atheist -- and Islam cannot even claim good religious music as a redeeming feature -- but, we have to face facts: One human being in five is a Muslim. 100 years ago, one human being in five was a Muslim. Almost certainly, 100 years from now, one human being in five will be a Muslim. Islam is not going to overwhelm and convert all the world, nor are hundreds of millions of Muslims going to apostasize en masse to other faiths or to agnosticism or atheism. Jihadist Salafism can perhaps be finally defeated and permanently marginalized, but Islam as such is never going to go the way of Fascism and Nazism and Communism, and the infidel world will just have to reach a workable accommodation with it. All discussions of how to respond to Islamic terrorism must begin from that incontrovertible assumption.

How workable is this? Radical Muslims believe they are hastening apocalypse.
http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/twocities/nagasaki/images/H21.jpg

"The Islamic State awaits the army of “Rome,” whose defeat at Dabiq, Syria, will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse." - The Atlantic 'What ISIS Really Wants'


So I suppose if that is the place they think the final battle will take place let's go and put troops on the ground there. This will require a look into their psyche.

 

[phrodeau]

How workable is this? Radical Muslims believe they are hastening apocalypse.
http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/twocities/nagasaki/images/H21.jpg

"The Islamic State awaits the army of “Rome,” whose defeat at Dabiq, Syria, will initiate the countdown to the apocalypse." - The Atlantic 'What ISIS Really Wants'


So I suppose if that is the place they think the final battle will take place let's go and put troops on the ground there. This will require a look into their psyche.

The 7th Day Adventists also push toward apocalypse. It's a big part of Dr. Ben Carson's support base.

 

[PoppingTom]

All traditional Middle Eastern music I've ever heard before is crap compared to Western tonal music -- or, for that matter, compared to traditional Chinese or Indian music. YMMV.

There is modern music, too:

Soap Kills - Tango: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W4zAajdHF0

 

[JackLuis]

There is modern music, too:

Soap Kills - Tango: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W4zAajdHF0

I like it. It has a beat and you can dance to it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

So I suppose if that is the place they think the final battle will take place let's go and put troops on the ground there.

Invade Syria? And how do we do that, without getting into an expensive and intractable quagmire, with insurgencies and ethnic cleansing and (even more) refugees, as happened in Iraq?

 

[BotanyBoy]

It is not "bending over" simply to point out that one of the world's five or six major religions, which has been with us for centuries and has hundreds of millions of believers, is going to be with us a while yet and there's nothing short of genocide we can do to change that.

No but suggesting we accommodate their bullshit is.

Just because Indonesia isn't starting shit doesn't mean we should keep finger fucking and bullshitting with these radicals in the mid east. Wage the most PC war possible with precision strikes and a next day follow up where we shower the survivors with gifts and prizes. Go win hearts and minds! Kiss hands and shake babies!! That bullshit is bleeding heart warFail + military industrial complex greed of the highest caliber. That is to say how we are conducting military operations is a joke that sells the bleeding hearts and keeps the money flowing to Def. Contractors, but it's had piss poor results.

We need to give fair warning and then go kill everyone who didn't evac. Send the refugees/evacuees home with some Wal Mart/Chipotle and tell them they had better fucking behave or we'll be back to finish the job.

Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Dijibuti...go through one by one clear and lock down. ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al Qaeda and any one who stand with them or any of their whackadoodle associates needs to be killed. Fire up the B-52's and have us a cleansing.

Or the workplace violence will continue until morale has improved.

 

[KingOrfeo]

No but suggesting we accommodate their bullshit is.

Just because Indonesia isn't starting shit doesn't mean we should keep finger fucking and bullshitting with these radicals in the mid east. Wage the most PC war possible with precision strikes and a next day follow up where we shower the survivors with gifts and prizes. Go win hearts and minds! Kiss hands and shake babies!! That bullshit is bleeding heart warFail + military industrial complex greed of the highest caliber. That is to say how we are conducting military operations is a joke that sells the bleeding hearts and keeps the money flowing to Def. Contractors, but it's had piss poor results.

We need to give fair warning and then go kill everyone who didn't evac. Send the refugees/evacuees home with some Wal Mart/Chipotle and tell them they had better fucking behave or we'll be back to finish the job.

Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Dijibuti...go through one by one clear and lock down. ISIS, Boko Haram, Taliban, Al Qaeda and any one who stand with them or any of their whackadoodle associates needs to be killed. Fire up the B-52's and have us a cleansing.

Or the workplace violence will continue until morale has improved.

See post #16, and multiply by as many countries as you think need invading.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

The 7th Day Adventists also push toward apocalypse. It's a big part of Dr. Ben Carson's support base.

Put them on the front lines.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Invade Syria? And how do we do that, without getting into an expensive and intractable quagmire, with insurgencies and ethnic cleansing and (even more) refugees, as happened in Iraq?

Yeah. I find myself siding with the bomb them back to the Stone Age crowd (which is not a comfortable place given that I am typically just short of an isolationist in some regards). I am not talking about winning hearts and minds. I am talking about scorched earth and salted fields. There will be no quagmire. Just drop ordinance until the place is unlivable.

Sometimes you have to punch back.

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)

Just drop ordinance until the place is unlivable.

Do you mean enact a lot of municipal regulations? Or do you mean that ordnance should be dropped?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Do you mean enact a lot of municipal regulations? Or do you mean that ordnance should be dropped?

I was thinking that we let them build a Piggly Wiggly on the front lawn of the Mosque, no more zoning, cats and dogs living together - mass hysteria!

 

[JackLuis]

Yeah.- I am talking about scorched earth and salted fields. There will be no quagmire. Just drop ordinance until the place is unlivable.

You mean like last Thursday?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

You mean like last Thursday?

I don't know what you are referring to.

 

[1sickbastard]

Yeah. I find myself siding with the bomb them back to the Stone Age crowd (which is not a comfortable place given that I am typically just short of an isolationist in some regards). I am not talking about winning hearts and minds. I am talking about scorched earth and salted fields. There will be no quagmire. Just drop ordinance until the place is unlivable.

Sometimes you have to punch back.

You mean like last Thursday?

Yeah, the whole "bomb'em back into the Stone Age" don't mean a whole lot in areas with no power grid or running water and a fair few living in mud-hut and tending hears of goats and sheep.


However, I do think Botany Boy is right.
Trying to 'win the hearts and minds' is going to accomplish exactly two things: Jack and Shit.
To paraphrase Machiavelli, "It is better to be feared than to be loved." The ISIS crowd and their supporters will never love the West. But if they come to the conclusion that further attacks will result in a shitload of their people going to collect their 72 virgins tout suite, the eventual survivors will start thinking that defiling goats for a few decades before turning into worm food from natural causes might not be as bad as all that.