Little Communists.

[fair_warning]

Ok Ishmael, you say...
"with regards to man's relationship to man and man's relationship to his government there is nothing new under the sun, nothing.”

I agree that the range of man’s relationship responses is pretty much unaltered, but what makes, breaks and destroys these relationships has changed in ways our forefathers could never have imagined. And the changes continue, so that drawing parallels between now and any other time in history is fruitless because it’s all so new. For example, we've gone from worrying about the world being flat to the effects of climate change.

“... as soon as you demand that the government take the fruits of one mans labor to give to another that hasn't labored at all, that is where you have crossed the line into Communist dogma. That is extortion of the worst sort. In a free society men and women of conscience should be able to give in any manner they choose, to what ever organization they choose. The removal of those choices is the first step on the road to slavery.”

This is right wing/super conservatism mixed with a good pinch of wishful thinking. Seriously Ish, do you really think that social equity is going to come about because “men and women of conscience” chuck loose change in their favourite charity collection box? Yeah, I know the system gets ripped off but I believe there has to be something.

 

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Little Communists

Ishmael

Quite obviously, as so much posted evidence in this thread shows...

...Little Communists grow up to be bigger Communists.

 

[MysteriousVik]

We are the most technologically advanced society the world has see so far. However, with regards to man's relationship to man and man's relationship to his government there is nothing new under the sun, nothing. Throughout the course of history it has been the governments that have been the largest and most consistent oppressor of men.

Being a 'humanist' is quite alright by me. You can work as hard as you want and give all you want to charity, or perhaps even start a leper colony. That would be the truly 'human' thing to do. But as soon as you demand that the government take the fruits of one mans labor to give to another that hasn't labored at all, that is where you have crossed the line into Communist dogma. That is extortion of the worst sort. In a free society men and women of conscience should be able to give in any manner they choose, to what ever organization they choose. The removal of those choices is the first step on the road to slavery.

With regards to jobs (labor). If I choose not to work for one man, or company, I can exercise my free choice and go work for another. When all are under the thumb of the government once more free choice is removed from the equation and I have surrendered my life to the biggest slave master of all.

For 50 years now we've been fighting the "war on poverty" with as much success as we've fought the "war on drugs." About all we've achieved is that our 'poor' own 2 cars, have all the electronic toys, a large proportion own their own home, and enjoy more living space per person in the household than the average European middle class worker. And yet they demand more rather than giving a heart felt "Thanks" for that which they have received through the labor of others. And here we witness a little video with children crying for even more. And if they were to receive that which they are lobbying for, whether they understand or not is immaterial, they will become wage slaves to the government that they demanded these benefits from. Indeed it might be said that their parents have already indentured them.

The government doesn't care about you in the least. Their only interest in your health is to prolong your productive years for the purposes of paying taxes. They have no interest in caring for the terminally ill or the elderly. They don't do it now, nor will they in the future. Once you reach the age of pension their only interest is that you should die before they have to write too many checks. Their goal is to control and direct your life so that they can control and direct the economy so that they are never surprised and never have to answer any embarrassing questions. Politicians hate to be bothered by the peons.

Ishmael

So if your fruits of labor went to a child who's ill, that's communism. This is an overly simplified view, i know but still...

What we as human beings need to do is obvious, but not easy. We need to change. As you said, and i completely agree government doesn't care the least about us. So why do so many people still have faith and trust in them?
Democracy isnt about faith, it isnt about trust. It's about distrust, it's about accountability, it's about challenge, debate and exposure. It's about people becoming the active agents of their own lives wanting to know whats going on. Who's interest do they really represent?

I don't know if the "poor" drive two cars, and have everything they want. Hopefully one day i'll visit the US, which i would love, and finally get into the heads of you people

I dont consider myself a smart person, and these sort of debates always get me thinking to the point where i think to myself, if we as a whole dont change we're doomed. Capitalism uses the labor of one man for the ongoing growth or sustention of capitalism. We're all busting our balls for some ideals that only exist on a piece of paper, saying how the system should work.

 

[Ishmael]

Here's some big Communists:

Save the nation! Tax corporations! Tax the rich!

http://cpusa.org/save-the-nation-tax-corporations-tax-the-rich/

Sound familiar?

I wonder if there's anyone who believes that the Communist Party has any interest at all in 'saving the nation?' That alone should be a big 'tell.'

Ishmael

 

[kbate]

NO! That is most certainly NOT what a "majority" landowner means. You apparently don't know the difference between majority and plurality. You are not the majority landowner if you only own 28% of the land. But you very well may be the LARGEST single landowner among all other land owners in question. That particular subset of all other landowners known as "private" land owners own 60% of all land within the borders of the United States.

And you, in typical moron fashion - ignore the simple fact that the government of the United States is the largest landowner in the nation. You seem to enjoy cherry picking your factoids and playing semantics games in order to attempt to prove your mental superiority. You sir, are a moron - playing stupid games to make a point that has no need to be made in the first place.

Fuck's sake. Playing games between the absolute definitions of "majority and Largest" - when you knew exactly what I was saying and obviously are just trying to prove some "superiority".


Idiot. Ignored.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Indirect ownership also through regulation, usually green, like wetlands protection or rat protection forcing a landowner to not use his land...

 

[Ishmael]

So if your fruits of labor went to a child who's ill, that's communism. This is an overly simplified view, i know but still...

What we as human beings need to do is obvious, but not easy. We need to change. As you said, and i completely agree government doesn't care the least about us. So why do so many people still have faith and trust in them?
Democracy isnt about faith, it isnt about trust. It's about distrust, it's about accountability, it's about challenge, debate and exposure. It's about people becoming the active agents of their own lives wanting to know whats going on. Who's interest do they really represent?

I don't know if the "poor" drive two cars, and have everything they want. Hopefully one day i'll visit the US, which i would love, and finally get into the heads of you people

I dont consider myself a smart person, and these sort of debates always get me thinking to the point where i think to myself, if we as a whole dont change we're doomed. Capitalism uses the labor of one man for the ongoing growth or sustention of capitalism. We're all busting our balls for some ideals that only exist on a piece of paper, saying how the system should work.

If the fruits of my labor went to help a child that's ill, against my will, without my voluntary cooperation, well, that is extortion. And the very core of the communist philosophy is extortion.

Whether I want to help that child or not is for me to decide, not you, not the government.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Fuck you fat body.

I've asked you time and again to keep me out of your homo fantasies. I keep telling you I don't swing that way, ya little fruit loop.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

NO! That is most certainly NOT what a "majority" landowner means. You apparently don't know the difference between majority and plurality. You are not the majority landowner if you only own 28% of the land. But you very well may be the LARGEST single landowner among all other land owners in question. That particular subset of all other landowners known as "private" land owners own 60% of all land within the borders of the United States.

And you, in typical moron fashion - ignore the simple fact that the government of the United States is the largest landowner in the nation. You seem to enjoy cherry picking your factoids and playing semantics games in order to attempt to prove your mental superiority. You sir, are a moron - playing stupid games to make a point that has no need to be made in the first place.

Fuck's sake. Playing games between the absolute definitions of "majority and Largest" - when you knew exactly what I was saying and obviously are just trying to prove some "superiority".


Idiot. Ignored.

How's that other game working for you? The one where you don't have the maturity or humility to admit when you are flat-ass wrong?

 

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[phrodeau]

If the fruits of my labor went to help a child that's ill, against my will, without my voluntary cooperation, well, that is extortion. And the very core of the communist philosophy is extortion.

Whether I want to help that child or not is for me to decide, not you, not the government.

Ishmael

And if the NAACP wants to aid only colored students, that's entirely salutary.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You don't swing at all, ya big cunt.

Anytime you want to step into the ring, pardner, I'll introduce you to my 'swing'.

Your pink-pantied ass will be introduced to the canvas so fast you literally will not know what hit you.

Hopefully, they'll have a new test for brain damage that will take into account your existing organic damage.

 

[fair_warning]

Capitalism uses the labor of one man for the ongoing growth or sustention of capitalism. We're all busting our balls for some ideals that only exist on a piece of paper, saying how the system should work.

Capitalism will finally go the way of the dodo. Capatilism is a paradoxical system - needing infinite growth but using finite resources.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

DERP DERP DERP, you wouldn't have room to breathe. Think up something else.

You talk a good game, little feller. Won't help you a bit were you man enough to step into the ring. You'll go down faster than your mother used to.

 

[The_Trouvere]

Here's some big Communists:

Save the nation! Tax corporations! Tax the rich!

http://cpusa.org/save-the-nation-tax-corporations-tax-the-rich/

Sound familiar?

I have known members of the American Communist Party. I have always liked them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFPw5NTi1NQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=veMwTqvsozA

 

[Ishmael]

And if the NAACP wants to aid only colored students, that's entirely salutary.

The NAACP can help anyone they want with the private donations to their organization. If they can get a president that doesn't embezzle it all that is.

Ishmael

 

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