Litigation: The death of democracy

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Malcolm Wallop

September 25, 2002

Litigation: The death of democracy

America's constitutional representative democracy is under attack. This plot is not being carried out by terrorists or an opposing army, but by greedy and power hungry lawyers who seek to over throw our constitutional representative democracy and install in its place a system governance by litigation in which lawyers rule supreme. With the assistance and backing of trial lawyers, small and extreme groups are finding it increasingly easy to bypass and subvert the democratic process and impose their agenda on the rest of society by abusing litigation and manipulating the courts.

For example, for years, a small number political extremists have proposed everything from banning fatty foods to imposing heavy taxes on unhealthy foods. According to this proposals, green beans and carrots would received a favored tax treatment, but bacon and hamburgers and french fries would all have a very high tax placed on
them. These proposals went nowhere in the halls of Congress and in the state legislatures. Why? Because these anti-fat proposals are nutty and the public knows it. Legislators stupid enough to vote for such foolishness would likely lose reelection in all but the most extreme districts. But in a lawsuit, these absurd ideas can take wings
and get off the ground ­ all it takes is one greedy trial lawyer and one judge who is either stupid or has a political agenda to push. The protections afforded by representative democracy are effectively repealed.

One of the turning points for this troubling development of lawyer run governance came in 1998, when state governments obtained a $246 billion settlement from the tobacco industry. To gain an advantage in the litigation and force the tobacco industry to settle, state governments changed centuries of legal precedent and dramatically
loosened age-old checks on the abuse of power. The federal government, seeing the huge sums of money to be obtained, filed a copycat case against the tobacco industry, contravening its own laws in the process and contradicting its earlier public statements that the federal government had no case under the law or the facts.

Some are willing to overlook the lawlessness of the tobacco litigation because it had the effect of punishing the unpopular tobacco companies. However, our justice system is supposed to work for everyone, not just the popular. One of the most sacred things in our constitutional representative democracy is the defense of the
unpopular citizen. Popular folks generally do not need constitutional protections ­ their popularity is their protection. The whole point of the Bill of Rights was to protect the unpopular citizen from an overreaching government. Today, there is a long list of companies and industries that are deemed as not worthy of fair treatment. But this
is a dangerous attitude and a perilous precedent. What and who are unpopular changes. You could be next.

We are a nation that claims to follow a rule of law. In a representative democracy, the people are king. The people elect representatives who make the laws and executives (presidents and governors) who carry out the laws. The courts are not elected and do not represent the will of the people. On the federal level, judges have a life term. Thus, the courts are not given the authority to make law. The courts simply adjudicate disputes under the law.

But in recent years, trial lawyers with the assistance of opinion leaders and some rogue judges, are making, enforcing and adjudicating law without ordinary citizens ever having a chance to address the issues at the ballot box. As a result, legislative proposals that had no real support in the halls of our democratically elected legislatures, eventually find there way into the law thanks to the relentless efforts of trial lawyers who abuse litigation and our court system to achieve their political and financial
aims.

For trial lawyers of this ilk, its all about money. They simply do not care what costs they impose on regular folks or on our society.

Stacking the Deck Against Due Process

For years, smokers tried to sue cigarette manufacturers to pay for their medical bills. But they never got away with it ­ and for good reason. People choose to smoke and they know the risks. Just like people choose to eat too much and know the risks. In a free society, we have the right to make a host of choices. But we must be
responsible for our choices.

But this common sense came to an end in 1998. Several states made deals with trial lawyers, throwing out legal precedent and applying new laws retroactively in order to ensure a win against the tobacco companies. The smell of billions of dollars in new revenue was too much to resist for many state governments.

Maryland legislators, for example, rewrote the law after the state filed a lawsuit against the tobacco companies. The changes in the law were designed to guarantee Maryland victory and force tobacco companies to pay the state billions of dollars in an out of court settlement rather than risk losing in court. The trial lawyer Maryland
hired to handle its lawsuit, Peter Angelos, was so convinced the the changed law would guarantee him victory that he promised to cut his legal fee in half ­ down from $1.1 billion to $500 million ­ if the state would change the law to favor him and the lawsuit. The state obliged. The tobacco companies realized they had no chance at a
fair trial, so they settled and paid the state billions of dollars. All went as planned, except that Mr. Angelos demanded the full legal fee of $1.1 billion anyhow.

It's all about the money. The law can be a casualty, constitutional principles can be discarded, and fairness can be cast aside as long as they get their money.

Checks on our legal system are under attack and are steadily eroding, making it possible to win cases that defy rationality. This is why we hear about obese people suing fast food restaurants for providing tasty super-sized french fries. Sure its nuts. But, if just one judge will see things there way, they get a huge payday. And just because
a lawsuit takes place in one state does not mean the verdict is limited to that state. A case in a single courtroom, in a single jurisdiction, with a single judge, is all it takes to force an industry to pay billions in out-of-court settlements and change its business practices everywhere in the United States. Shouldn't these sorts of major public policy decisions be made by our democratically elected representatives?

Yet in recent years, many of these decisions have effectively been made by trial lawyers whose influence in the political system has grown to such an extent that age-old legal institutions, which had acted as a restraint on their objectives, have begun to break down. The more cases they won, the wealthier and more politically active they become, enabling them to ram through even more lawyer-friendly legislation. Among those changes, it has become easier to "forum shop," allowing lawyers to shop around for judges or jurisdictions sympathetic to their agendas. It is also easier to allow testimony from hired "experts" brought in to support those agendas, even if those witnesses are well outside the accepted standards of their field. Moreover, the rise of class action lawsuits enable lawyers to sue with no real clients. And now "negligence" means failing to prevent any conceivable bodily harm ­ regardless of how many precautions were taken or what responsibility the plaintiff may actually bear.

In 1994, the state of Florida went so far as to change the law to prohibit defendants from presenting certain evidence and legal arguments, making it all but impossible to defend themselves. For the tobacco case, Florida required that defendants post a bond of 150 percent of the lower court judgment before they could appeal. The bond
amount was so cost prohibitive that the right to an appeal was effectively denied.

Stealth Taxation

Much of this out-of-control litigation problem is fueled by the states' voracious appetites for more and more of our money. Americans are already taxed to the hilt so new taxes are not very popular. Thus when politicians go on pork spending sprees, they are often afraid to raise taxes any higher to pay for their excesses. Therefore, free
spending state governments are opting for an alternative revenue source ­ shaking down deep-pocketed industries through litigation.

Taxation through litigation is now a favorite way for states to cover large budget deficits. For example, it is no coincidence that the states that persist in suing Microsoft all have large projected budget deficits. Despite the fact that the vast majority of states either settled their claims along with the federal government or opted not to get involved in the first place, a few states spend taxpayer money pursuing continued litigation in hopes of a big payday. It's all about money.

This sort of thing is much easier to do when you can demonize an industry and convince the public that the company or industry being attacked is evil. The purpose of the demonization strategy is two-fold: (i) to turn public opinion against the company or industry so that the public will tolerate the abusive legal tactics used in the shakedown, and (ii) to give the appearance that those doing the shakedown are not common thugs or thieves, but are serving the public interest and doing some greater societal good. Instrumental in this demonization strategy is an alliance of extreme activists groups, the media, trial lawyers, and government officials, all working to whip up public scorn against certain industries or companies. With strong political and public opinion winds against them, these industries hardly have a chance in the courtroom, regardless of how solid their legal positions are.

An equally troubling development is that federal government has gotten in on the game. After realizing it lost out on getting any of the states¹ tobacco settlement money, the Clinton Justice Department sued the industry on its own. In doing so, it ignored the law and its own previous congressional testimony. In 1997, the Justice Department testified before Congress that the law did not permit it to sue the tobacco industry to pay for Medicare expenses. But in 1999 the Justice Department filed a case anyway in hopes of a big settlement and another big payday. It's all about money.

Among the federal government¹s trumped-up charges against tobacco companies was "racketeering" ­ a law passed to stop organized crime. What had the tobacco companies done that resembled the mob, one might ask. They sent out press releases in which they questioned government data on health risks and addictions. In the administration¹s eyes, questioning their data constituted "mail fraud," punishable under racketeering laws meant for the mob. A similar posting on a company web site
was deemed "wire fraud." In essence, the Clinton administration¹s definition of racketeering and organized crime was simply making statements with which the administration disagreed.

It is increasingly easy to apply laws arbitrarily ­ to use the law to selectively target one group or individual for financial or political reasons. This is a phenomenon commonplace in many third world countries and dictatorships. Such corruption should not be commonplace in America.

Everyone Is A Potential Target

The successful lawsuit against the tobacco industry proved that it is possible to cripple any industry by litigation. Trial lawyers¹ jobs are easier, of course, when that industry manufactures a product disliked by many Americans. But an industry does not even have to be widely hated to be sued. Latex glove makers are not disliked by
the American public. Yet, one state attorney general says he wants to begin the whole litigation process to bear on the latex glove industry. Another target is manufacturers of lead-based paint, even though lead paint has not been manufactured in over 50 years and was voluntarily discontinued as soon as it was known that it could be harmful when not properly maintained.

Others ripe for getting sued include makers of candy, fast food, high fat foods, dairy products, and beef, since, like tobacco, they all "contribute to federal health care expenditures." A Yale professor claims "there is no difference between Ronald McDonald and Joe Camel." The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is
calling for a class-action suit against the meat industry, claiming "meat consumption is just as dangerous to public health as tobacco use."

Breweries and wineries are potential targets as well. They could be forced to pay for medical treatment and other damages to people injured or killed by drunk drivers. Personal responsibility no longer matters that much. Car makers are vulnerable, too. Some argue that sports cars and cars with powerful engines are defective by design
because drivers are tempted to drive dangerously. Thus, they argue that car makers should pay the costs of damages caused by recklessly driven automobiles. Again, the responsibility and choices of the driver are ignored. Its all about the shakedown and the money.

A society that allows smokers who know what they are doing to shift the blame to others, will also eventually allow overweight people to sue fast food restaurants for offering super-sized fries. This is why precedent matters.

Billions of Dollars in Blood Money

The harm being inflicted on our democratic institutions is troubling enough. But there is another sinister element in all of this ­ extortion. In the underworld, bad guys
threaten people, forcing them to hand over their money or suffer the consequences. But why be a mobster when you can go to law school and do the same legally? Simply notify a large company that you are suing them, talk them down to the investment world so their stock prices drop, and promise the company that if they settle and
pay you large sums, you will leave them alone and even talk their stock back up in the investment world. This sort of work pays well, very well. And that is what's important ­ the money.

A new class of multimillionaires has come into existence. Traditionally, people get rich by creating something of value and selling it. Now, we have a class of people who get rich by producing nothing ­ they simply extort. It is legalized theft. Apart from the questionable ethics involved, it is simply bad for the economy and every single American pays the price. Every dollar that companies or individuals have to forfeit to greedy lawyers means one less dollar for productive investment, one less dollar to
pay hardworking wage earners, one less dollar for job creation.

Moreover, the poor and middle class are often stuck with the bill. Who is ultimately paying for the $246 billion tobacco settlement over the next 25 years? It is the 25 percent of Americans who smoke. More than half of them make under $30,000 a year.

Meanwhile, lawyers are using their newfound wealth to fuel the vicious circle, contributing heavily to like-minded judges, state attorneys general, Members of Congress, and others, who enact even more lawyer-friendly laws and stifle any attempt at reform.

Freedom in Danger

Some folks simply do not care what happens to big corporations like the tobacco companies, auto makers, chemical and drug companies, gun manufacturers, and fast food chains. But it is the broader picture that is important here. Unless we stop this cancer in its tracks now, similar things will happen to other businesses, individuals, and groups. We are slowly surrendering our constitutional representative democracy to a system of lawyer run governance.

Our forefathers pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to obtain freedom and throw off the shackles and unjust burdens of an unelected, life-tenured king. Did General Washington's army make those sacrifices and win a glorious victory, only to have trial lawyers and unelected, life tenured judges take the king's place, sack the
rule of law, and turn our representative democracy into governance by litigation?

We must preserve our constitutional heritage and right to representative democracy. To do less than this would be to stand idly by and watch the end of the greatest revolution in freedom that the world has ever known.
 
Dear Ishmael;

I would be pleased to read your extensive whine about trial lawyers and the tobacco industry and provide you with my considered views pertaining thereto.

Accordingly, please attach your certified cheque for $15,000.00 as a retainer against my services in formulating an opinion with respect to these matters and rendering same to you in writing forthwith, whereupon I will commence same as expediciously as is reasonably possible.

Please make your cheque payable to "Lance Castor, In Trust".

Thank you for your request. We look forward to telling you what we think.

Lance Castor, JD
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe
Barristers, Solicitors & Notorious Pubics
 
Lancecastor said:
Dear Ishmael;

I would be pleased to read your extensive whine about trial lawyers and the tobacco industry and provide you with my considered views pertaining thereto.

Accordingly, please attach your certified cheque for $15,000.00 as a retainer against my services in formulating an opinion with respect to these matters and rendering same to you in writing forthwith, whereupon I will commence same as expediciously as is reasonably possible.

Please make your cheque payable to "Lance Castor, In Trust".

Thank you for your request. We look forward to telling you what we think.

Lance Castor, JD
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe
Barristers, Solicitors & Notorious Pubics

Dear Mr. Lance Castor:

My time and signature as a professional retainer of greedy litigators is limited and valuable. Considering that without my complaint, you would have no case at all, it is I who am due retainer.

Please wire transfer 40% of the amount that you intend to file suit for, treble punitive damages of course, to routing #140057 241 022, account #459 3277 022, Bank of the Netherlands, Cayman Islands.

No victim, no crime.

Ishmael
 
I think I basically agree with Wallop's main point (if it's that litigation is too often being used for political purposes or personal greed, and that such use is damaging to society), but I'm not sure why he keeps citing the tobacco industry as one of the injured parties.

I thought the cases were brought against the tobacco companies because the state got ahold of leaked documents showing that the companies' really did have proof that smoking was a serious health hazard, but they buried their findings for over a decade, all the while continuing to tell consumers that their studies showed that there was no proof that smoking posed any health risk. Was this not the case?
 
crysede said:
I think I basically agree with Wallop's main point (if it's that litigation is too often being used for political purposes or personal greed, and that such use is damaging to society), but I'm not sure why he keeps citing the tobacco industry as one of the injured parties.

I thought the cases were brought against the tobacco companies because the state got ahold of leaked documents showing that the companies' really did have proof that smoking was a serious health hazard, but they buried their findings for over a decade, all the while continuing to tell consumers that their studies showed that there was no proof that smoking posed any health risk. Was this not the case?

Wrong crys. The warnings have been on the packages probably longer than your life time.

Regardless, it is the most blatant money grab in modern history. Doesn't matter what your opinion is. Smoking is not illegal, nor is the manufacture of the product.

What is punishment of a perfectly legal activity ammount to?

Ishmael
 
Obscene...

I really like how the scumbags use litigation to the political degradation of the American system, and walking away with millions of the victim's (us) money in the process.

They did it with tobacco companies (blackmail used to be the word)
They're trying with the meat industry,
They're trying with the milk industry,
They're trying with the firearms industry,
They're trying with the automobile industry.

Everything that is associated with the American experience is under attack by the lunatic fringe who have contempt for another's lifestyle. They have hate and envy for those who succeed in life, and use every legal angle to destroy what represents the "beast" of their neurosis.
:D
 
Ishmael said:


Please wire transfer 40% of the amount that you intend to file suit for, treble punitive damages of course, to routing #140057 241 022, account #459 3277 022, Bank of the Netherlands, Cayman Islands.

No victim, no crime.

Ishmael

you got a PIN to go along with that?

I know someone who has a hungry monkey, and I wanna buy some bananas.
 
Ishmael said:


Wrong crys. The warnings have been on the packages probably longer than your life time.

Regardless, it is the most blatant money grab in modern history. Doesn't matter what your opinion is. Smoking is not illegal, nor is the manufacture of the product.

What is punishment of a perfectly legal activity ammount to?
The tobacco industry didn't put those labels on voluntarily, they were forced to by the government - and they protested for years because they claimed that their own scientists hadn't turned up any evidence that smoking was harmful.

If their own scientists really had determined that smoking was harmful, and the industry had thus been lying to consumers about their scientists showing that smoking was safe, then that would be illegal wouldn't it?
 
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You're right.

It won't be the President pushing through UnConstitutional laws like the Patriot Act that will destroy our democracy.

It'll be the lawyers.
 
lavender said:
This thread rivals Greta Garbo in melodrama.

"The Death of Democracy"

Fuckin' hell.

It's so cute when your knee jerks like that. :D

Ishmael
 
Meanwhile, in the CCCP of California...

SAN FRANCISCO - Gov. Gray Davis cleared the way Wednesday for people to sue gun manufacturers if they believe the company has been negligent in its advertising or production of firearms.

The package of bills Davis signed removes the shield granted to gun makers regarding negligence lawsuits. Previously, gun manufacturers could not be sued if their products were used in the commission of a crime.

The legislation, the first to repeal the industry's immunity, was spawned by last year's state Supreme Court ruling that a state civil code statute protected the gun industry from certain lawsuits.




"No industry should be allowed to hide from its own harmful conduct," Davis said in a telephone press conference. "And except for gun manufacturers, no industry is. Current laws shield a gun manufacturer from its own negligence. These new laws strip away that shield."

Davis, who voted against the legal shield for gun companies when he was in the state Assembly in 1983, also voiced opposition to a bill currently before Congress that would forbid imposing commerce restrictions on gun manufacturers and distributors following harm caused through unlawful use of their products

The measure would ultimately overturn California's new laws.

"This bill is bad policy, it's an infringement upon state's rights," Davis said.

California's new laws have already gained the praise of gun control advocates.

"These bills were our top priority this year, we're thrilled that the governor has stuck by his position on this," said Eric Gorovitz, Western policy director for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, a national grassroots organization.

Gorovitz said he hopes the measure will make the gun industry more responsible because of the threat of lawsuits. He also hopes the legislation in California will lead to greater accountability in gun manufacturing across the country.

"They won't design them differently for California, they'll design them better for everybody," Gorovitz said.

Critics of the bills, however, argue that they could open the door to frivolous lawsuits. And, Chuck Michel, a spokesman for the California Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc., says the legislation is an attempt by gun-ban advocates to swamp gun manufacturers with lawsuits to bankrupt them.

"They will use this to file multiple lawsuits based on their mistaken belief that firearms have no social utility," Michel said. "They want a legitimate industry to pay for the inability of law enforcement and local authorities to control violent crimes."

Sen. Don Perata, D-Oakland, who put the measure before the Assembly, said that he doesn't think the law will lead to a flood of lawsuits.

California's Senate and Assembly passed the measures last month.

The new law removes a lawsuit shield enacted in 1983 to protect manufacturers of cheaply made handguns known as Saturday Night Specials.

The shield was cited by the state Supreme Court last year when it ruled that a gun company couldn't be sued by survivors of a 1993 rampage for damages done when criminals use their products illegally.

In 1993, Gian Luigi Ferri entered a San Francisco skyscraper and opened fire in a law office with two TEC-DC9s and a revolver, killing eight people and wounding six before killing himself.

Survivors claimed Navegar Inc., the maker of the gun used in the shooting, was liable for damages because it marketed the TEC-DC9, the semiautomatic weapons later used at the Columbine High slayings, to appeal to criminals. Survivors also claimed that Navegar should have foreseen it would be used in a massacre.

The ruling was considered a victory for Florida-based Navegar. But when the company's lawyer, Ernest Getto, tried to notify the company of the ruling he could not contact them. Navegar, and sister corporation Armak, had voluntarily dissolved in April 2001.


*The dumbing down syndrome marches on!
:D
 
Aren't Laurel and lavendar two of the leading leftists on the board? At least well known.

And the charge against the conservatives has been name-calling, personal destruction, etc.

Did they not pop in and make negative remarks about the thread topic and uncalled for political attack on the Administration?




From corporations to religion to government, even into the family, we see what our new definitions of standards and acceptance and justification of behaviors has garnered us.

Look at Westerfield. He says, "Don't fry me and I'll show you where the body is..." The prosecuter, the good lawyer in the story basically says, go fuck yourself, we'll find the body and then fry you, which they proceeded to do. Now the moral thing is for the Defense to plead guilty with some circumstances, but NO, America has seen the innocent walk, so they go in to court and put on a sham case that they and the prosecution knows is a lie AND TRY TO PIN THE BLAME ON EVERYONE INCLUDING THE GUYS KID!.

THAT'S FAWKED UP!




We have a real need for a national sales tax as the only vehicle for government funding. Then on every purchase, every day, every citizen would know, in dollars and cents, just how massive and over-bearing government is. It's beauracracy and bloat that the lawyers feed off of. And everyone would participate, so even the poor have to think, okay, if I vote myself this perk, MY TAX is gonna go up on each purchase by...




So lack of morality (the willingness to actually blame and punish criminals), huge Public Treasury, and an elective system of mutual symbiotic bribery lead to what we have now, which must ultimately collapse under it's own weight.

Some of us thing it will happen to California first and hopefully provide a wake-up call to America. We need a moral value base, be it Christian based or secular based, a Confucian model, but we need something or Democracy very well may sue itself out of existence...
 
SINthysist said:
Aren't Laurel and lavendar two of the leading leftists on the board? At least well known.

And the charge against the conservatives has been name-calling, personal destruction, etc.

Did they not pop in and make negative remarks about the thread topic and uncalled for political attack on the Administration?
The current administration is demonic force of pure evil, thou most foul spawn of Satan's feted loins!

(Can I be a leading leftist now? Pretty please with sugarcoated conservative fascists on top?)
 
An Acurate Description . . .

crysede said:
The current administration is demonic force of pure evil, thou most foul spawn of Satan's feted loins!

(Can I be a leading leftist now? Pretty please with sugarcoated conservative fascists on top?)

Right On!!!! Crysede!!! :D :D
 
Re: Meanwhile, in the CCCP of California...

Lost Cause said:
SAN FRANCISCO - Gov. Gray Davis cleared the way Wednesday for people to sue gun manufacturers if they believe the company has been negligent in its advertising or production of firearms.

The package of bills Davis signed removes the shield granted to gun makers regarding negligence lawsuits. Previously, gun manufacturers could not be sued if their products were used in the commission of a crime.

The legislation, the first to repeal the industry's immunity, was spawned by last year's state Supreme Court ruling that a state civil code statute protected the gun industry from certain lawsuits.

<BIG MISSING BIT>

*The dumbing down syndrome marches on!
:D

So the US is going to control the gun lobby? . . . we had it here in Oz after the Port Arthur Massacre . . . just makes it easier for foreign troops carrying arms to take over the country . . . or some other gun tottin' organisation . . . Definitely not good for the people . . . You're right LC . . . the dumbing down continues . . .
what does the Returned Servicemens league say . . . "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" . . .
 
Good eve' Don

So where are my mangos? If aus doesn't hurry up and start making those reparation payments I may be forced to litigate you know!
 
Around Again . . .

Ishmael said:
The erosion takes place at all levels.

Comments? Ishmael

Ain't America wonderful! . . . Dickens reported the same trend in England about 170 years ago . . . several times . . .
 
Re: Good eve' Don

crysede said:
So where are my mangos? If aus doesn't hurry up and start making those reparation payments I may be forced to litigate you know!

Hi Crysede . . . I'm on a promise next month . . . for some new season mangoes . . . just think . . . a whole tray of say 12s or 16s, almost as big as a gridiron football . . . and they're the small ones . . . when the Speewah mangoes are in season they are the size of basket-balls . . . peeling back the waxy skin . . . smelling the rich aroma . . . biting into the smooth orange slippery flesh . . . getting the odd string caught between your teeth . . . having to wash your face after feasting to gluttony . . . :D :p :D
 
Cry if you want me to think of you in the same terms as I think of those two... Sure, I'll loath you for being a niave, insensitive, feeling-based hypocrite. But from previous conversations I was under the impression that you were one who wanted to be taken more seriously in the debate.
 
This is not related to the loss of freedoms, but rather lawyer behavior.

Last week, at a Chicago White Sox baseball game, two ticketholders jumped out of the grandstands onto the field and proceeded to pummel one of the team's "field coaches" (third base coach) with fists.

The attacked coach was interviewed yesterday and said that several attorneys had approached him and told him that he could get money from his employer, the Chicago White Sox, through a lawsuit. The coach said "no thanks" and added that it wasn't the fault of his employer, the two that attacked him were the only ones at fault.

This is how our "system" protects the "little guy"?
 
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