Lit will be missing one of its Group Sex Cat readers for a while

[Kev H]

I don't agree with anything you're saying, I'm afraid. And we are on such opposite sides of this issue I can't see a resolution.

And no, I'm not "clinging to any stance" because I'm afraid of being fired from my job. (Do you think I'm posting under my real name?)

The reason for my viewpoint is because I'm well-educated on child psychology. And I've taught school for twenty years. I'm not merely dealing with one personal anecdotal situation, I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of children. I know what I'm talking about.

Quite frankly, most 14-years-olds are fucking clueless.

They're delightful works in progress, but they are clueless. Their brains resemble those of psychopaths. Quite true. They aren't rational. They aren't adults.

And even though some people have memories of themselves at that age as being powerful and a babe magnet - um, probably not. It does happen, certainly. But not to the majority.

There are always some students - maybe 15% - I think I'm aiming high - who are more developed than their peers.

But seriously - most boys don't even have changed voices by age 14.


And that is where the power issue appears. I'll try to explain this to you once again. But then I think I'm done.

She isn't holding anything over their heads. She isn't threatening them. She isn't forcing them to have sex.

She is older and wiser and more experienced. She has the advantage.

She can provide liquor, get porn, apparently find weed. She can drive them places, provide fun and new exciting things to do - ahem.

Whatever she wanted from them - sex, companionship, who knows - she was easily able to procure because she had the advantage. She's the adult.

She TOOK advantage. It's a mismatch of power.

Legally, we recognize the status of minors as being unable to consent because they are so easily taken advantage of. That is for their protection, because, as I said, most 14-year-olds are fucking clueless.

Thank you for the patient explanation; what began as urging a discussion turned into needing to understand your perspective. So let me see if I have this right (and thank you for saying more than "I have the experience and I say so").

It's a clearly delineated leverage issue, since no child will ever be on an equal footing with an adult. The law in this instance tries to protect children from these inherent mismatches, regardless of what the boys think they want (no sarcasm here). And I can accept that it's a rare youth who is more perceptive than clueless, as harsh a judgment as that sounds to me. I don't have, nor did I ever want, extensive experience. And, heh, I only have my fuzzy memories telling me, "That's not true in many cases when I was growing up."

So, I'll stop trying to give the players in this situation the benefit of the doubt, though I'll still reserve some sympathy for the woman, and hope she gets some beneficial help along with the disastrous future of her loosing her daughter and freedom.

 

[TxRad]

Boota, I know exactly where you are coming from.

At 13, I was six feet tall and weighted 205 with a 28 inch waist. I used the back of a VW bug to do squats because the junior high didn't have enough weights for me to work out. I sometimes used the gym coach for bench presses. It sure intimidated the other team at football games. It also got me banned from football by the school board until my junior year in high school.

 

[Boota]

Boota, I know exactly where you are coming from.

At 13, I was six feet tall and weighted 205 with a 28 inch waist. I used the back of a VW bug to do squats because the junior high didn't have enough weights for me to work out. I sometimes used the gym coach for bench presses. It sure intimidated the other team at football games. It also got me banned from football by the school board until my junior year in high school.

I can imagine they were intimidated. LOL. That had to be cool, seeing the looks on their faces. Especially the kid who had to line up across from you.

I tried to hit home runs every time so that I wouldn't be hitting the ball right at a kid who couldn't handle it. I was worried about killing one of the other players. My first home run was a whistling line drive that hit a shed beyond the fence. The board I hit splintered. I thought about quitting after that.

 

[Kev H]

It also got me banned from football by the school board until my junior year in high school.

Now that's just harsh! At that age, sports activities helped bolster my confidence (and helped keep me out of trouble), though I had the opposite problem of you. I went to an extremely competitive high school that didn't allow me on varsity because I could not weight over 160, no matter how much weight gain I drank (perhaps because I also ran cross country and track). My school was all over guys your size, pushing them to help us capture the elusive State Champ title (we came close, while I was there, but could not compete with the bigger German-bred boys around Northern San Antonio); hey, we lost to the eventual State Champs once though.

 

[rgraham666]

It's good thing this is the internet. A couple of people would get a good shit kicking for the nasty things they've said to the woman I love otherwise.

 

[Liar]

Maybe I'm thick, but I don't get the thread title.

 

[Guest]

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[Kev H]

It's good thing this is the internet. A couple of people would get a good shit kicking for the nasty things they've said to the woman I love otherwise.

Heh, stop hyperventilating for a moment and tell us who you mean. You know the woman in this story? If so, do tell; otherwise, I saw no nastiness going on toward any woman poster on this thread. Do we even want to know or was this a random blurt?


And Liar (hey, man!), I named it this way because the first thing in the original article that stuck out at me was she was having sex with multiple boys, and I thought, "This sounds like something a Lit reader might do." The title became even more irrelevant as the thread progressed.

 

[Liar]

Heh, stop hyperventilating for a moment and tell us who you mean. You know the woman in this story? If so, do tell; otherwise, I saw no nastiness going on toward any woman poster on this thread. Do we even want to know or was this a random blurt?

Except by JBJ, and he's a dick towards everyone.

And I too have no idea who Rob is referring to. I'm afraid I'm way too behind on AH gossip.

And Liar (hey, man!), I named it this way because the first thing in the original article that stuck out at me was she was having sex with multiple boys, and I thought, "This sounds like something a Lit reader might do." The title became even more irrelevant as the thread progressed.

I see. Well, your cunning ruse has yet a flaw, with Lit's straight "no underaged" policy, a cradle robber wouldn't be gettin' her rocks off here.

 

[Kev H]

Except by JBJ, and he's a dick towards everyone.

And I too have no idea who Rob is referring to. I'm afraid I'm way too behind on AH gossip.

I see. Well, your cunning ruse has yet a flaw, with Lit's straight "no underaged" policy, a cradle robber wouldn't be gettin' her rocks off here.

Doh! You are so right about that! Good thing I can't change the title or you'd make me think up a new one.

And yeah, I didn't even consider JBJ, since surely Rob is immune to his style by now.

 

[AlmostAlice]

Ask yourself this. If it was 14 - 15 year old girls who were in the same situation but 'didn't complain' (as you put it), would you be okay with a old man having sex with them?

Speaking for myself.. yes. Though 14-15 years-old for me is riight on the border where it crosses from 'okay' to 'creepy'.

Though plying them with drugs to lower their inhibitions is less okay.

 

[AlmostAlice]

Ask yourself this. If it was 14 - 15 year old girls who were in the same situation but 'didn't complain' (as you put it), would you be okay with a old man having sex with them?

Speaking for myself.. yes. Though 14-15 years-old for me is riight on the border where it crosses from 'okay' to 'creepy'.

Though plying them with drugs to lower their inhibitions is less okay.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Nothing like this ever happened to me whan I was in my early teens. If it had, I would have considered myself to be exceedingly lucky, and so would any of my buddies who knew about it. It was illegal, but I say nobody was hurt.

 

[Loring2]

Agreed Boota ...

I agree with this. At twelve years old I was six feet tall with a hairy chest, a full beard and I could bench press almost three hundred pounds. Total freak of nature. My dad had to carry my birth certificate on him just so I could play Little League. I got hit on by older women ALL the time. My parents would always step in and set things straight. Until I was fourteen. I had a lot more freedom and no one around to cock block me. Things happened.

I was absolutely no victim.

Also, the women involved had no idea I was under eighteen, but that wouldn't have mattered in court.

I'm not saying what she did was right, but I highly doubt these boys were harmed. Double standards are not fair, but in this case I think it's unavoidable. I think the idea of a 40 year old man doing the same thing to young girls seems worse because with men it usually comes across as an overt predatory situation. With fourteen year old boys, and speaking as a former fourteen year old boy, I don't think any of that was necessary. They were probably partying with the booze and weed anyway and this was just something else that happened.

She needs to be punished to some extent because of the illegality of what was going on, but I think she needs more counseling than anything.

--- but all people are not equal, they only receive equal protection under the law. Nowhere in the constitution or in any law does it say that all people are equal.

Amost all these laws have a biblical background (Hebrew in fact) and while good laws they must be used wisely to be effective, that's why we have Judges, not only police.

Like you I was precocious: 5'10" and 180 lbs at 13 and fully developed sexually. Every girl I dated in HS was 4 or 5 years older than I and I was being raped; technically at least.

Nonsense, I was the predator.

I don't think so and probably the greatest source of trouble in this nation is the belief that all people are equal ... they're not. Counseling seems about right for the lady as you say.

 

[cloudy]

Amost all these laws have a biblical background (Hebrew in fact)

Not really. Most of what we know as "common law" dates back to Hammurabi, in Mesopotamia, who ruled from 1792-1750 B.C.

 

[Kev H]

Not really. Most of what we know as "common law" dates back to Hammurabi, in Mesopotamia, who ruled from 1792-1750 B.C.

Well, I think some take the bible's word for it that the Hebrews were doing it first.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Not really. Most of what we know as "common law" dates back to Hammurabi, in Mesopotamia, who ruled from 1792-1750 B.C.

They date back farther than that. Here is a reference to a code of laws that predated that of Hammurabi by centuries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urukagina

It's unlikely this was the first, but it may be the first one that was written or carved to form a permanent record. As soon as people started living in societies, they would have needed rules to govern behavior and to allot what was hunted and gathered.