limits? we don't need no stinking limits

[sanchopanza]

i've been writing a porno story and including as the main characters people i know (they asked me) and so far everything has gone well and everyone is happy with their sex scenes and their dialogue but now i suggested something which has most people recoiling in disgust - rectal mucus. you see at one point in my story somebody is horribly murdered and this butchering involves the mention of rectal mucus, i mentioned this and i've had great prostestations from my usually very recipient audience. they tell me that pornos should be about sex - bollocks say i, if i want to quote shakespeare and have death scenes then i will.

does anyone here have any limits as to what they will and will not include in their stories?

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

does anyone here have any limits as to what they will and will not include in their stories?

Assuming you're question is serious, the answer is, of course. That's the reason Lit has categories.

As an author, you can write whatever you want. Readers, except those poor wretches who are serving time in h/s or college English classes, have the right not to read material that doesn't, "turn their crank."

Several of us have tried writing multi-category stories. They seldom do well and, judging from feedback, usually end up pissing off one group or the other.

Rumple Foreskin

 

[Guest]

I hold with what Rumple says above. I would (and have) include or merely reference Shakespeare, R. Wagner and the Brontës in my stories, but not rectal mucus however lovingly, erotically or savagely acquired.

You will of course turn off readers with your mucus, as Shakespeare, R. Wagner and the Brontës turn away readers of my work.

It's our call, then the reader's.

 

[sanchopanza]

hmm yes. the mucus part is right near the end of the story anyway, after that there are only 3 more sex scenes so if people will stick with the story they might not mind that part.

 

[Quasimodem]

Sorry, Sancho.

Even in the most liberal of families, rectal mucus will be held against you.

 

[Icingsugar]

Ok, you're brutally offing a character, and your readers complain about some mucus? I mean, I'm not even 100% sure what is referred to with the term (And no, I don't wanna know, or even think rectal thoughts right now, I'm trying to munch a sammich here.), and it do sound like a major torn-off for a vast majority of readers. But if they don't complain about the murder? Well, what do I know...

Anyway, I say you are free to white whatever you damn well please. And I agree with you that erotic fiction need not be 100% about the erotic situations and setups. In a lenthier piece, that would get downright boring.

Then or course, the more graphic and off-the-chart content, sexual or non-sexual that is put in, the p more people are gonna take offense.

However, even when you try to play in nice, there will be someone whining about something. I got feedback a few days ago from a reader that was a bit upset and pointed out that both my Lit stories actually have cancer as the key ingredience that sets off the chain of events leading to sex. Something I actually hadn't thought of.

Those stories treats the subject with silky gloves, as gentle and respectful as it can, and still I get accused for tastelessness and for seeking the shock value. So it doesn't take all that much to trigger disgust some times. In your mucus-case, I think avoiding to disgust people are actually harder.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

Where you place the limits in your writing is your bussiness. What, if anything, is out of bounds is your call, it's your world and they are your characters.

What a reader will read is thier bussiness, it's their time and their energy. A good author will try to set his or her limits so that they fall within the limits of the intended audience. If your girlfriend is in love with her cocker spaniel and you are writing a story stictly for her reading pleasue, realease the hounds. If your audience is more in the range of "acceptable" variations then you have to tailor your story to remain within those norms.

As an author you have total freedom, but readers exercise just as much freedom to forego your work. Most good authors try to make reading an enjoyable experience, that is to say they write well enough so that the reader can just jump into their world and almost forget they are reading. The closer you stray towards the boundary of normal the more readers you will loose as it becomes uncomfortable for them.

In short, you do have total freedom to write what you wish. As long as it is for yourself or for a select audience who you know well enough to know thier tastes it's fine. Once you start posting to a public forum, where you can not know the readers or their tastes you have to be more selective if you wish to enjoy any popularity.

-Colly

 

[destinie21]

So then your circle of friends is are fine with the horrible butchering just not the anal mucus

 

[Guest]

I think I will never read another thread or post by you, Panza. Nothing personal, but I'm tempted to start a new thread asking for help in erasing the words, idea, image, vaguest notion, existence, etc. of a*** m**** from my brain. Never heard the term til today.

Crappola! Fuck! Ptui!

Perdita

 

[MathGirl]

the mention of rectal mucus

Dear Sanch,
Before going any further, I strongly suggest that you go to the "Help needed, contributions......." thread and submit the word "rectous" to the AH Lexicon.
MG
Ps. I must admit that the mention of "rectal mucous" is one of the less sexually stimilating things I've heard lately.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: limits? we don't need no stinking limits

I must admit that the mention of "rectal mucous" is one of the less sexually stimilating things I've heard lately.

Case closed. If it doesn't buzz Maths . . .

Perdita (still )

 

[Quasimodem]

Dear Sanch,
... I must admit that the mention of "rectal mucous" is one of the less sexually stimilating things I've heard lately.

And MG has heard NUMEROUS sexually unstimulating phrases, recently.

In fact, Math has mentioned most of them.

 

[MathGirl]

Originally posted by Quasimodem And MG has heard NUMEROUS sexually unstimulating phrases, recently. In fact, Math has mentioned most of them.

Dear Quaz,
I don't think the stuff I mention is very sexual. It tends to drift more towards the privy. I was influenced during my developmental years by a father who still thinks that toilet humor is the ultimate refinement of the art. I feel my somewhat warped outlook on things is a direct result of this.
MG

 

[Guest]

does anyone here have any limits as to what they will and will not include in their stories?

I don't have any limits on what I will include in a story, but I do have limits on what I will attempt to submit to Lit. You have to remember that, as they go, this is a pretty mainstream site. I don't mean mainstream in terms of general erotic fiction, but I do mean that with regard to death and mutilation.

Were you planning to submit this to Lit? If so, it might be an idea to think again, and look for somewhere that wouldn't bat an eyelid at rectal mucus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not critisizing your work at all, I do have a very strong stomach with regard to what I read. I've read some pretty sick shit in my time (no pun intended). I'm currently reading Teratologist by Edward Lee and Wrath James White, and thoroughly enjoying it. If anybody knows that book, they'll know that my mind is a bit warped.

I guess what I'm saying is: what you are writing there strikes me as Hardcore Erotic Horror, which is my bag, but isn't that of most people. Write for yourself, write exactly what you want to write, but don't be surprised if, when others read it, they are shocked and don't find it acceptable. If you do plan on submitting it to Lit be prepared for it to end up in Extreme. Alternatively, you could try somewhere like Horrorfind.

Good luck with the story, if it's what you want to write, write it, but don't expect your friends to like, or even accept, it.

Lou, showing her darker side and hoping not to freak everyone out.

Edited, out of feeling a need to clarify... I do not find death, or even rectal mucus, erotic. Erotic Horror is multi-faceted, like riding a roller-coaster in a way. You can be scared witless one minute, and the next find what is happening a very pleasurable experience. I love to read Horror, and be terrified, I also love to read Erotica, and be titillated. Erotic Horror just blends the two together, but by no means is all of it erotic. I hope you all get what I mean!

 

[sanchopanza]

not anal mucus, rectal mucus. i'm straight but i've done a lot of disgusting things in my life and i'd rather not mention at which point in my life i've seen rectal mucus. basically it has a sort of dark yellowy-brown translucent colour and the consistency of blamanche - looks like ky-jelly actually only slightly less firm

 

[raphy]

Re: Re: limits? we don't need no stinking limits

If anybody knows that book, they'll know that my mind is a bit warped.

We already know your mind is warped, darling



Raph, lovin' ya the way ya are.

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: limits? we don't need no stinking limits

We already know your mind is warped, darling



Raph, lovin' ya the way ya are.

Goodie! Glad you all see the real me.

Thanks, babe,

Lou

 

[MathGirl]

Appreciation and admiration

not anal mucus, rectal mucus. i'm straight but i've done a lot of disgusting things in my life and i'd rather not mention at which point in my life i've seen rectal mucus. basically it has a sort of dark yellowy-brown translucent colour and the consistency of blamanche - looks like ky-jelly actually only slightly less firm

Dear Sanch,
Thanks ever so much. We are all indebted to you for that information.
MG

 

[sanchopanza]

anytime mathgirl. i wrote some joke poems for a literature forum not long ago and an observation somebody made was that i seem to have a fixation with bodily fluids. so far in my stories i've dealt with piss, shit (not a fluid i know but worth mentioning), bile, vomit, phlegm, spunk (well obviously), blood, rectal mucus and various other fluids.

 

[raphy]

anytime mathgirl. i wrote some joke poems for a literature forum not long ago and an observation somebody made was that i seem to have a fixation with bodily fluids. so far in my stories i've dealt with piss, shit (not a fluid i know but worth mentioning), bile, vomit, phlegm, spunk (well obviously), blood, rectal mucus and various other fluids.

Okay.....

 

[cookiejar]

not anal mucus, rectal mucus. i'm straight but i've done a lot of disgusting things in my life and i'd rather not mention at which point in my life i've seen rectal mucus. basically it has a sort of dark yellowy-brown translucent colour and the consistency of blamanche - looks like ky-jelly actually only slightly less firm

I for one could have forgone that explanation.

I find myself turning more toward writing psychological pieces, not stroke stories. I'm heavily into what I call head games and I combine that with erotica. That's my choice, but on here it's not a popular read. My readers tend to be a select few and feedback is low but favorable. One stroke story got 236 votes compared to 29 my last story received. It's my call, I'm not writing for anyone else now but myself. Of course I want readers but I want to write what I'm comfortable with.

 

[sanchopanza]

i could never write stroke stories - partly because i'm not good at writing serious sex scenes and partly because it is an overcrowded market already. i just don't see the point in sending more stroke stories out there - i'd rather talk about vile deeds and complots of mischief and quote and reference (plagiarise if you will) shakespeare

 

[Guest]

anytime mathgirl. i wrote some joke poems for a literature forum not long ago and an observation somebody made was that i seem to have a fixation with bodily fluids. so far in my stories i've dealt with piss, shit (not a fluid i know but worth mentioning), bile, vomit, phlegm, spunk (well obviously), blood, rectal mucus and various other fluids.

I take some of what I said back. It is obvious to me now that I do have some limits.

Lou

 

[Icingsugar]

not anal mucus, rectal mucus.

You mean there's a difference?

No, wait. Please don't answer.

Really, I have pondered something ever since I saw your post, and I can't figure it out. Mentioning somthing like that in a story, and not expecting the readers to be grossed out seems pretty alien to me. The only reason to throw (no, not literally) that kind of stuff in your reader's face must be because you want to disgust them? I do bevlieve that ppl can die perfectly nice horrible deaths without mentioning nauseating bodily fluids. So the goal was to shock, right? Well then. Mission accomplished!


If the goal was not to shock, what was the point in going out of your way to include it?

i'd rather not mention at which point in my life i've seen rectal mucus.

You're obviously not a proctologist then.

/Ice
"iii liiike biiig butts and i can not lie..." - that's rectal enough for this camper

 

[sanchopanza]

well i didn't realise it would shock anybody. it was meant to be grusome - but also meant as a joke. i'm not sure if i mentioned this already but all the major characters in that particular story are based on people i know and have asked me to put them into the story. one particular character started out very small and ended up becoming the best character in the story, upstaging me in the process and so i just had to kill him off.