Likely stupid question~

Vampire_Neliel

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Perhaps this is a dumb question to ask, but I really would like other's opinions on the matter. Yeh it'll be a bit long, I write too much >.>

So back in the last couple years of high school as well as the first couple in College (during which I was still parading around as a male despite considering myself a lesbian trapped in a males body) I attended a regular TKD class with my sister. After a few months I'd gotten the belt to move to the advanced class and ended up catching my eye on a girl that, despite not matching a single thing I'd originally set into my strict moral and idealistic code, made me want to be with her quite dearly (she was/is physically desirable even if slightly larger than the average stick we see in the magazines these days.)

At first I just eyed her from afar and tried to always partner up with her in class till I finally got to knowing her name and talked more with her. Of course this lead into further progressions and we'd flirt a lot when we were together at class. Perhaps a year after having first seen her I finally got my gut untied from the knots to ask her out (it was the time "Spiderman I" was coming out and so I thought that'd be a good try... also need to consider this was the first time in my life I'd asked a girl out.)

As I was perhaps obviously jittery doing it and had dragged her into the back room for privacy, she basically said no as she had to take care of her babysitting during the days and church business most nights. So alas, my attempt failed and I pretty much went back to normal with things until she stopped coming a couple months later (I of course thought I'd scared her away -- turns out it was so she could pursue soccer instead and return later)

So I didn't get to talk to her or even see her for two years until, suddenly, my sister walked into my room one night and told me she'd asked me to come to her last soccer game (they were on the same team) as they'd be turning 18 and no longer able to play.. so literally last soccer game. I was of course skeptical and thought it was just my sister being indirect about wanting me to attend and using the girl I'd obviously liked to get me to go (I never normally went)

So of course I went to the game and we were back to how we'd been when last we'd talked a year or so before. There wasn't really any flirting but we talked as if no time interruption had occurred (familiarity is what I refer to here). As the game ended and everyone was wrapping things up my dad, having clearly noticed what I had not, told me to get her number/e-mail. I of course tried to interject with her while our family was trying to leave but failed to get her attention enough to ask and only walked away with a pic of her and my sis.

A few days later dad, being a brat as always, said he was going to get me an invite to their soccer awards party at the end of the month. I did nothing but blush and say nothing despite thinking how great it'd be to see her again. As I found out a few days later it was a swimming party followed by the awards ceremony, and so I wanted to see her during that time even more (though I no longer swam myself and it'd been four years since doing so). However, my sister only wanted to go to the awards event, and as I was the driver.. I had no choice but to wait.

We got there and things were very meh and I didn't get to talk to her while others were around, but as I wanted to try again at getting her number/email I forced my sis to wait around till the end. We all talked (her family, my sister, and myself) for a little before she grabbed her lizard to show us and ended up standing shoulder to shoulder with me. Of course my heart was racing and with her family all watching I couldn't even open my mouth. As my sister and I walked out the door, I hopped she'd follow us out and I could ask then, but she stayed back talking to her dad. And that was the last I'd seen of her.


So I go back to college and quickly get back to the bothersome-ness that it is and end up forgetting about her for the time. A year or so later, Junior year I believe, I was finally pointed out to a 'safe' way to transition (I'd been scared off of it before and resigned to my fate) and thus began that. After I got myself all passing and name-change and the whole bit, I end up having a dream of her (went along the lines of I met her at her work--no clue what it is IRL--and was helping her plan for a wedding with a male she had yet to meet) late last year--now having been close to or exceeding four years since we'd last talked/seen each other--and I get very worked up, am in stupendous amounts of tears, and after trying to talk with a friend over the phone learn that I'm basically going through what a common couple would if a break-up had happened. So, just as any other would perhaps do, it basically ruined that semester and I failed it badly.

So a few friends online suggested I try writing her and seeing if she was still around, interested, or at least happy such that I could put my mind at ease. I figure it can't hurt any and decide to do so, using my old male name as a signature as she'd not know about the new me. I never got a response and so, over break and until a month ago, I'd gone back to forgetting about it all and going about finishing college classes. However, as I mentioned, a month ago I had another dream, this time it had involved all my family (atomic and extended) trying to keep us apart, her acting herself, and me trying to get to her. In the end, before I woke up in yet more tears, was me telling her I loved her. So now I've been racked with the thought of what that meant, though I have a good guess (she's the only girl ever in my life I'd even tried imagining having sex with, and I rather dislike sex.. even then).

Now of course my current friends have told me to leave it alone and move on, I can't help but wonder if I should try again. Yet, at the same time, I wonder if it would even be wise to try to approach her as I am now.. a fully passing female when who she knew back then was a male. I know exactly where she lives due to the party (yeh photographic memory is epic). I wonder if the letter perhaps got lost in the mail or her parents kept it from her or she's living somewhere else and it wasn't forwarded. I know it might be very selfish of me, but I can't help wondering and thusly regretting what may be or not due to further inaction on my part?


So I guess the long and short of it is... I am pretty sure I fell in love with her, if not at first sight than shortly later, and can only think that not trying to pursue it would be a HUGE mistake as she could be the one I've always wanted. I don't normally believe in any of that soul-mate hogwash or love-at-first-sight, but this case makes me wonder if it does exist.

I don't know if anyone can relate or help, but as always.. it never hurts to try! And someone here might surprise me.... if this is the wrong location for this, I sure hope a mod moves it where it needs to be (considering all I see is VERY dirty talk going on here I do wonder....)



EDIT:Addition::
Something else I was asked by one of the above aforementioned friends was if I'd been trying to find a girl of the same appearance and/or personality.. and I guess subconsciously I always had but never realized it till he pointed it out. So as such there is a girl on campus (second one since I've been here) that looks like her and sadly for me has a bf... but it didn't stop me from wanting to know about her.
 
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Way to long. I'm not even sure if I understand what your question is. It sounds like you missed several opportunities to make contact.

Well, we have all had that happen in our past, and most of us are sympathetic about our and your missed chances. We all move on, and either move forward, or go back and correct that past mistake.

If that isn't the answer you are looking for, delete this post, and start a new one. Three or four sentances will get you a lot more (and better) responses. State the mistake, and ask for the cure. Don't write a book about all your details.

I hope I haven't offended you, but most readers just aren't willing to spend too much time reading about your details, trying to figure out what your question is, and then respond.

If your question is should you contact her again, the answer is: That is only up to you. I would definately not. I believe you are only setting yourself up for a hugh dissappointment. Just remember her fondly as a might have been, and look for new conquests (either in a sexual partner or your personal happiness).

Best wishes
 
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I'm not bothered by the length. I actually wish a few more people would go into detail. I didn't get the question either, though.
 
Yeh.. very well, I think I can leave the long one up for those that want details and write a summary (tl;dr:) and clearly defined question here...

Basically met a girl 7ish years ago and ended up getting really close to her after falling for her pretty hard (back when I was a guy). I had tried asking her out once 6ish years ago and got a no, likely since she was only 16 and her parents wouldn't allow it. We only talked once more later (4ish years ago) when she invited me to her last soccer game where we talked as if no break in contact occurred, at which point I failed to get her number, twice. Took till after I was long into my transition when I realized after a dream I was perhaps in love with her but hadn't known till now. And lastly, due to another dream a month ago where I was telling her I loved her, it started to bother me even further.

After the first dream I'd tried sending a paper-snail-mail letter with no response.. not sure what the cause (address on google maps and the painted street differ). After the second dream I began to realize that I'd do just about anything for her (short of going back to being male), even now as I barely know her; even things I'd never do for anyone else I know, including family.

So the ultimate question is do I try again to contact her, and if so, how? I'm a fully passing female now so I can't just walk up to her doorstep easily. I only know where she lives, her first name, and that my sister used to have her number but prolly lost it by now. They were also good friends. I also tried looking her up on facebook with no luck.

I could easily drive to her house and I've seen her dad there so I know at least her parents live there. She is likely (if she managed the 4-year plan) graduating from the local college around now, so this is the last chance I can see.

Am I, as you say, just setting myself up to get hurt by trying to contact her? Would knowing she's happy be enough to stop these raving thoughts I have and the mental block on trying to go after anyone else?
 
Yeh.. very well, I think I can leave the long one up for those that want details and write a summary (tl;dr:) and clearly defined question here...

Basically met a girl 7ish years ago and ended up getting really close to her after falling for her pretty hard (back when I was a guy). I had tried asking her out once 6ish years ago and got a no, likely since she was only 16 and her parents wouldn't allow it. We only talked once more later (4ish years ago) when she invited me to her last soccer game where we talked as if no break in contact occurred, at which point I failed to get her number, twice. Took till after I was long into my transition when I realized after a dream I was perhaps in love with her but hadn't known till now. And lastly, due to another dream a month ago where I was telling her I loved her, it started to bother me even further.

After the first dream I'd tried sending a paper-snail-mail letter with no response.. not sure what the cause (address on google maps and the painted street differ). After the second dream I began to realize that I'd do just about anything for her (short of going back to being male), even now as I barely know her; even things I'd never do for anyone else I know, including family.

So the ultimate question is do I try again to contact her, and if so, how? I'm a fully passing female now so I can't just walk up to her doorstep easily. I only know where she lives, her first name, and that my sister used to have her number but prolly lost it by now. They were also good friends. I also tried looking her up on facebook with no luck.

I could easily drive to her house and I've seen her dad there so I know at least her parents live there. She is likely (if she managed the 4-year plan) graduating from the local college around now, so this is the last chance I can see.

Am I, as you say, just setting myself up to get hurt by trying to contact her? Would knowing she's happy be enough to stop these raving thoughts I have and the mental block on trying to go after anyone else?

Love? Who can figure. Sounds like your toes definitely curl. My advice is simple. You are in control of you, not victim or evil or wrong. Only you can decide what is to be, to ask us rests a tough question on those who can't truly know the you essence of you.

Contact? Maybe.

A relationship? Who knows, but love doesn't always see the sex of the body, nor the manifestation of that sex, such as the mix of the insides with the out. Now you are female throughout? Does that mean complete in the physical? What is she?

I'm married to a bisexual, hell, she may be more straight than lez. We love, by god we love, and I butch (verb) that woman whenever she needs it. I'm a femme, a shrimp at that. a petite undersized shrimp of a butch, laughable. Guess what? It works. Love is queer--queer like we. Love comes in many textures.

You must answer this question, we cannot.
 
Back again. Your second response was much better. Look, I find Esperanza's opinion a lot more valid than mine (always -- when you have been on the site long enough, you will learn whom to read, and listen to).

No matter your sexuality, and/or the other persons, I really feel you are setting yourself up for a lot of heartache. I think it would be better for you if you would just fondly remember it as a love lost, and go on. But -- Esperanza is right. Nobody can tell you what to do. So you must follow your own heart, and not necessarily your brain. Just remember the possible outcome, and the possible gain. As before, please let us all know the final outcome.
 
I guess I'm not clear about something. Admittedly I only skimmed the first post, but I read the second one in more detail, and there's still something I don't get.

Is there anything at all that suggests she was interested in you as a male? Do you know that she is open to lesbian relationships? If she was interested in you before, but doesn't want to be with a woman, then you need to respect that and back off. If she's okay with it, then by all means pursue it. If you don't know that she was interested in you before, should you really still be carrying a torch for her?
 
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