Like I said, Our Salvation Lies With The States

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[koalabear]

*waits for the dancing libs to appear*

 

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[AussieBob1990]

Okay. That makes some sense, I suppose. Not sure how it's all done over there, but I understand you can change things that way.

But once you start, does your entire constitution become a target for some sort of statewide committee mob mentality? While they are passing liberty amendments, might they also begin to disturb otherwise settled law and practice as well? Things like outlawing abortion or demanding prayer in the public schools?

Or is the idea to have a limited convention that would only be chartered to explore certain specific parts of the constitution?

 

[koalabear]

Okay. That makes some sense, I suppose. Not sure how it's all done over there, but I understand you can change things that way.

But once you start, does your entire constitution become a target for some sort of statewide committee mob mentality? While they are passing liberty amendments, might they also begin to disturb otherwise settled law and practice as well? Things like outlawing abortion or demanding prayer in the public schools?

Or is the idea to have a limited convention that would only be chartered to explore certain specific parts of the constitution?

you have to very careful when they open it up or it can be made worse.

 

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[AussieBob1990]

No, the Constitution is not up for grabs at all.

So the idea would be to convene a limited convention, where specific additions, modifications, and deletions would be argued and, perhaps, resolved by legislative vote, right?

That would mean that each state would have to agree as to what the topics would be before agreeing to participate. One suspects that might take some doing, since each area and population may have a sharper focus on local concerns.

Has anything like this been done in modern times?

 

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[PatriotLover]

And so the great revolution to take back our republic begins:

Tom Coburn calls for a national Constitutional Convention
BY CHARLIE SPIERING | AUGUST 22, 2013 AT 1:20 PM

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., explained to a town hall of his constituents that he wanted to call a national Constitutional Convention after reading Mark Levin’s new book, The Liberty Amendments.

“I used to have a great fear of constitutional conventions,” Coburn said according to the Tulsa World. “I have a great fear now of not having one.”

As the Tulsa World notes, a national convention is called by two-thirds of the state legislatures and is one of two ways the U.S. Constitution can be amended.

Coburn made his remarks in Muskogee, Okla.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/tom-c...nal-constitutional-convention/article/2534588

Spoken like a liberal fool. Does this idiot from Oklahoma realize he's an idiot from Oklahoma? Oklahoma would have virtually no say in a convention. It's a state full of liberal idiots who live off the federal taxes.

Do you really think the outcome of a convention would favor the states?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

No, the Constitution is not up for grabs at all.

Really? What am I missing?

The document contains a number of amendments that have veered our social course off onto drastically new directions as well as outright repeals of prior provisions.

What part of that document prevents us from shit canning it and starting over?

 

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[Adre]

No, the Constitution is not up for grabs at all.

If you despise the direction we are going in, and you detest so many current political leaders, what makes you think that you will approve of the outcome of such an event?

 

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[Sean]

Spoken like a liberal fool. Does this idiot from Oklahoma realize he's an idiot from Oklahoma? Oklahoma would have virtually no say in a convention. It's a state full of liberal idiots who live off the federal taxes.

Do you really think the outcome of a convention would favor the states?

But you think only morons follow the constitution anyway.

 

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[Adre]

Because it will be the states and the people of the states proposing and approving amendments. So far all of the amendments proposed have been offered by Congress. They will never offer an amendment that curtails their spending and regulatory power. It is time for the American people and their states to offer amends to the Constitution that do so. I think the time is right for a national debate.

We should all welcome civil, intelligent debate. I'm not sure we would get that, but hope springs eternal.

 

[Sean]

Because it will be the states and the people of the states proposing and approving amendments. So far all of the amendments proposed have been offered by Congress. They will never offer an amendment that curtails their spending and regulatory power. It is time for the American people and their states to offer amendments to the Constitution that do so. I think the time is right for a national debate.

O RLY? So it's just going to be some average Joe Schmo representing each state? Don't make me fucking laugh, it will be bought and paid for pols and the only benefits will accrue to global corporations and billionaires. And if you think any different you're a naive fool.

 

[PatriotLover]

I believe a convention convened by states controlled by the 30 Republican Governors would result in a positive outcome for both the states and the liberty of the individual, who are being put upon by the federal government in ways that assures their eventual financial and economic collapse. There is no future in the status quo.

Republican governors like Christie who bent over backwards for the feds?

 

[koalabear]

O RLY? So it's just going to be some average Joe Schmo representing each state? Don't make me fucking laugh, it will be bought and paid for pols and the only benefits will accrue to global corporations and billionaires. And if you think any different you're a naive fool.

Shaddup merc.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We don't respect the Constitution we got. Nuthins gonna happen till the rights folks fertilize the Liberty Tree.

 

[ryan8558]

We don't respect the Constitution we got. Nuthins gonna happen till the rights folks fertilize the Liberty Tree.

And who would that be Mr. Johnson?

 

[PatriotLover]

O RLY? So it's just going to be some average Joe Schmo representing each state? Don't make me fucking laugh, it will be bought and paid for pols and the only benefits will accrue to global corporations and billionaires. And if you think any different you're a naive fool.

A spot on point. Big business supports our liberal government, who in turn supports big business. People need to remove as much government as possible so these corporations will have to fend for themselves and learn to actually run a business. Then, we the people will be free.

 

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[ryan8558]

A spot on point. Big business supports our liberal government, who in turn supports big business. People need to remove as much government as possible so these corporations will have to fend for themselves and learn to actually run a business. Then, we the people will be free.

So the Koch brothers aren't big business?