life....full...empty...are we born only to die?
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Life
It's not about the destination it's about the journey.
I don't think death is anything to fear everyone will die eventually. I just think we should all try and enjoy ourselves and help others enjoy themselves as much as possible while we are here.
Live long and prosper
It's not about the destination it's about the journey.
I don't think death is anything to fear everyone will die eventually. I just think we should all try and enjoy ourselves and help others enjoy themselves as much as possible while we are here.
Live long and prosper
wolfy, I agree with you when you say life is about the journey. The journey has been tainted by manipulation, indoctrination, and lastly, assimilation. Even when we can see through the veil society's grip clings to us. Time becomes so important that compassion remains silent and our hearts crusted and unfeeling as we cower in fear. I don't mean to get so dark, but I'm in a melancholy way at the moment... Actually I'm trying to sort through the next pages of my book. As you say enjoying ourselves and others should be central but is that all?
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Goals
I'm not sure if that is all there is to life. It is for me. Along the way I lost the ability to care about the human race as a whole. I can't motivate myself to strive to better our knowledge in any field and I don't want to have a child to perpetuate myself/our race. I still care about individuals and want the people currently living to enjoy life if possible. I don't think my views are anywhere near normal tho. Most people have goals that they strive to achieve I think. Being the best in their field. Or living a full life and having a family that lives on after you. Even just being part of the human race and living a good life can be a goal I guess. It's pretty easy to say well there is no point to anything so why bother. The point is you have the oportunity to do whatever you want....you just need to decide what that is.
As for being in the grip of societies views....well we are a product of our enviroment so that is true. But we wouldn't be who we are without our histories. Everything I have experienced in life has made me who I am today. So if my life had been different I wouldn't exist as the same person I am right now. If I really wanted to get away from society I could probably live on an island somewhere or deep in the woods as a hermit like person...If you interact with others they will probably change you even if you don't notice it
Hope that made more sense to you then it did to me.
I'm not sure if that is all there is to life. It is for me. Along the way I lost the ability to care about the human race as a whole. I can't motivate myself to strive to better our knowledge in any field and I don't want to have a child to perpetuate myself/our race. I still care about individuals and want the people currently living to enjoy life if possible. I don't think my views are anywhere near normal tho. Most people have goals that they strive to achieve I think. Being the best in their field. Or living a full life and having a family that lives on after you. Even just being part of the human race and living a good life can be a goal I guess. It's pretty easy to say well there is no point to anything so why bother. The point is you have the oportunity to do whatever you want....you just need to decide what that is.
As for being in the grip of societies views....well we are a product of our enviroment so that is true. But we wouldn't be who we are without our histories. Everything I have experienced in life has made me who I am today. So if my life had been different I wouldn't exist as the same person I am right now. If I really wanted to get away from society I could probably live on an island somewhere or deep in the woods as a hermit like person...If you interact with others they will probably change you even if you don't notice it
Hope that made more sense to you then it did to me.
Is your life what you want it to be or is it spiraling out of control? I enjoy life but even the best parts become mundane unless I visibly see improvement. Your views don't seem abstarct. Those individuals who recant procreation are growing in number and striving for perfection has its own penalties. I choose not to have children but strive for perfection both internally and in my career choice. My career choice is my passion but perfection is elusive and thusly it gets discouraging. Again... you are right on target. Our personal histories define us and we are influenced by friends and social contacts in inperceptible ways. Its difficult to remain freethinking human beings...oxymoron... Since we have the opportunity to do whatever we choose is it this choice that will bring peace or are we perpetually predisposed to discontent?
swooping gulls grasp their prey
walls of water smash silent sand
man is born only to die?
swooping gulls grasp their prey
walls of water smash silent sand
man is born only to die?
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Choices
Life is full of dissapointments. Even if you have a charmed life you will only enjoy it and be truely happy if you choose to. The largest choice you make is to decide to make the best of what you have. Many rich people who have anything they want and the oportunity to go anywhere and do anything are very depressed or unhappy. I think in a small way the harder your life has been the more potential you have to enjoy it. Without pain and suffering can their be pleasure? Everything is relative. We become used to any lifestyle we lead and become discontent if it becomes stagnant or depressed if it goes downhill. I decided a long time ago to try and enjoy anything i'm currently doing. This isn't always possible of course but trying is they important part. I'm not happy with how my life is currently and am working on improving it. That I guess is a goal It's very easy to be lazy and just sit back instead of activly working to get what you want.
It's all about how motivated you are I guess. Getting and staying motivated is the hardest part for many people. Myself included
Life is full of dissapointments. Even if you have a charmed life you will only enjoy it and be truely happy if you choose to. The largest choice you make is to decide to make the best of what you have. Many rich people who have anything they want and the oportunity to go anywhere and do anything are very depressed or unhappy. I think in a small way the harder your life has been the more potential you have to enjoy it. Without pain and suffering can their be pleasure? Everything is relative. We become used to any lifestyle we lead and become discontent if it becomes stagnant or depressed if it goes downhill. I decided a long time ago to try and enjoy anything i'm currently doing. This isn't always possible of course but trying is they important part. I'm not happy with how my life is currently and am working on improving it. That I guess is a goal
It's very easy to be lazy and just sit back instead of activly working to get what you want.It's all about how motivated you are I guess. Getting and staying motivated is the hardest part for many people. Myself included
It sounds like you've making the right choices. There was a time when I lived simply and found kerosene lamps and outhouses much to my liking. A bicycle was the vehicle of choice althoug sometimes grueling it was always satisfying. The ability to distinquish, thoughts...mine...others... and create made the experience worthwhile. I look back on the freedoms afforded with this clear lifestyle choice and find it gave me a unique identity. I'm not satisfied being one of millions. I'm very comfortable now and perhaps, as you say, that is part of the problem. Scrounging for the next meal can't be too pleasant either. I guess we're all in search for balance. You are right... We have been given a choice and we need to exercise it.
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Death.. just live with it.
Please, society doesn't 'corrupt' our lives. Our lives are worthless to begin with, society at least offers the illution of something happening. True, you can become nothing more than a cog in a machine but at least that machine is doing something.
You could also be a cog outside of a machine in which case your existence would be rather pointless. What I love about the 'countercultures' is their ability to fly by pulling themselves up by the proverbial bootstraps and make being a cog outside of 'the machine' meaningful because they are pointless.
Such logic could turn ever Never's eyes skyward.
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The anti-counterculture.
Please, society doesn't 'corrupt' our lives. Our lives are worthless to begin with, society at least offers the illution of something happening. True, you can become nothing more than a cog in a machine but at least that machine is doing something.
You could also be a cog outside of a machine in which case your existence would be rather pointless. What I love about the 'countercultures' is their ability to fly by pulling themselves up by the proverbial bootstraps and make being a cog outside of 'the machine' meaningful because they are pointless.
Such logic could turn ever Never's eyes skyward.
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I'm trying to figure out what the machine is trying to do. In so doing I have a choice and live or die by the consequences of that choice. I think humanity, you Never, and all others have value. Worthless is a culture that ceases to feel! Realizing that I strive to keep my ideals and thus my sanity intact. We have so little time on this sphere it seems prudent to do more than eat, drink, and read pornographic literature.
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As Mick Jagger says: "Life's a bitch, but it's much too short"
Those are my sentiments also..
Those are my sentiments also..
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I'm trying to figure out what the machine is trying to do. In so doing I have a choice and live or die by the consequences of that choice. I think humanity, you Never, and all others have value. Worthless is a culture that ceases to feel! Realizing that I strive to keep my ideals and thus my sanity intact. We have so little time on this sphere it seems prudent to do more than eat, drink, and read pornographic literature.
It's trying to protect itself by telling its individuals they're worth something and not just a mindless horde of locusts devouring all they can. Culture cannot feel, culture never could - then again, culture never had to feel because it's not a person.
I'm sorry you think I have value, it's not a mutual belief. You want humanity to have value because that means you have value. We like the idea that we're special creatures, why else make Gods in our own image?
Sanity is believing what everyone else believes.. Insanity is being unable to handle reality. That means what everyone believes is reality and I don't believe that for one second. If my ideals changed a damn thing I would hold onto them for all their worth but ideals only change the person that holds them.
You believing I have value does not change my value if I have none, I believing that you do not have value does not change your value if you have any.
I agree that we have little time on 'this sphere' but I don't think there are better things to do than eat, sleep and read porno because in the end it makes no difference what we do.
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I'm trying to figure out what the machine is trying to do. In so doing I have a choice and live or die by the consequences of that choice. I think humanity, you Never, and all others have value. Worthless is a culture that ceases to feel! Realizing that I strive to keep my ideals and thus my sanity intact. We have so little time on this sphere it seems prudent to do more than eat, drink, and read pornographic literature.
It's trying to protect itself by telling its individuals they're worth something and not just a mindless horde of locusts devouring all they can. Culture cannot feel, culture never could - then again, culture never had to feel because it's not a person.
I'm sorry you think I have value, it's not a mutual belief. You want humanity to have value because that means you have value. We like the idea that we're special creatures, why else make Gods in our own image?
Sanity is believing what everyone else believes.. Insanity is being unable to handle reality. That means what everyone believes is reality and I don't believe that for one second. If my ideals changed a damn thing I would hold onto them for all their worth but ideals only change the person that holds them.
You believing I have value does not change my value if I have none, I believing that you do not have value does not change your value if you have any.
I agree that we have little time on 'this sphere' but I don't think there are better things to do than eat, sleep and read porno because in the end it makes no difference what we do.
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So a machine can speak yet culture cannot feel...interesting. I find if I fail to hold true to my ideals I become emotionally unsettled. The man, who is changed by his ideals and exemplifies them, has a web of influence that can be impacted. Even though someone might consider themselves worthless I won't make that distinction. If I ascribe value to you, not even knowing to whom I speak, that is my choice. I appreciate your input Never.
