Life after Death

[DwayneDibley]

We spell it drubnk around here.

sorry for being off topic, but why is is spelt 'drubnk' and not drunk?

 

[mismused]

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When you say that we might should say conscisousness after death, you may be more right than any of us know.

There is no question that we live, bur how we live is what isn't known. Utlitmately, we're all atoms that have congregated into one body as we know ourselves, and when this existence is ended, the atoms are released.

How did the atoms know how to congregate into one person? How were additional atoms attracted to a specific body as it grew? Do the atoms contain the consciousness? Where do the atoms go when we die? Do they remain a "family," or clusters of atoms, or in various groups? If so, how would they be grouped?

If atoms don't have consciousness in and of themselves, where does consciousness come from? If consciousness "comes" from somewhere else, isn't the consciousness we now call conscioiusness more like a subconscious, or unconcious part of the "original" consciousness" that hovers, as it were, over all of existence?

No, I don't really think we die, but just what we are is called into question. As the wise old Thelma used to say, "We ain't what we think we are."

mismused




Edited for spelling

*Sigh* Another typo. *End *Sigh*

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To add to what I said above, atoms "recycle" themselves, our oxygen, for instance, being used many times over by many others. It has been estimated that it is possible that carbon atoms recycle themselves again in about 200 years, so reincarnation seems to be a fact of existence, life, since the atoms definitely carry on, and seen to have for eons.

The questions are, why is there existence as it is, and wherein lies the consciousness, and, is this consciousness just an offshoot, albeit, a modified, even a bastardized one of our possible real existence.

For any Christians, the bible even attests to this possibly being so.

mismused

 

[LadyJeanne]

sorry for being off topic, but why is is spelt 'drubnk' and not drunk?

TheEarl started it with this thread:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=308156

and this one:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=309766

and this one:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=320183


but he's not alone:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=309250

 

[yui]

Reincarnation. Hasn't your soul ever just known a place you've never been?

I like how Kipling put it:

"They will come back - come back again, as long as the red Earth rolls.
He never wasted a leaf or a tree. Do you think He would squander souls?"

 

[impressive]

Reincarnation. Hasn't your soul ever just known a place you've never been?

Yes -- and I've been trying to get back there for years.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I believe in eternal justice.

You are judged on your deeds, not your interpretation of your deeds, nor your level of faith, nor your strictness of ritual, but rather your deeds (what you did, who you helped, who you hurt, etc) and your afterlife is bestowed accordingly.

Thus I think many relying on accepting the right truth or religion as their gold ticket are going to be very very surprised.

 

[sweetnpetite]

Gods. These guys are soft plastic. Finger puppets.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y90/sysladobsis/gods.jpg

Those are really cool- where do you get them?

 

[cantdog]

Sorry, off surfing.

Hi Sweet. I saw them on the counter at The Grashopper Shop, and had to have some. They sit on my monitor. Kids don't play with them more than a minute before losing interest, but I find them food for musing. I have Garuda, too, but he didn't fit in the scanner.

 

[Pure]

A couple thoughts:

The survival of consciousness sounds theoretically possible, till you start thinking about what happens to consciousness in old age. Ever been under a general anesthetic. A few chemical--sodium pentothal--and consciousness disappears.

As to philosopher Joe:
What I always had a hard time resolving was that someone can lead what they believe to be a righteous life, and yet divorce themselves from what is metaphysically real, and somehow expect that to bring favorable judgement. Sort of like saying "I was a good student in Math class, but I refused to learn Math, but I should get an A just because I didn't talk in class and attended regularly".
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Nietzsche had the proper answer to this: Ultimate Being, the Omnipotent One, the Fount of Love in the Universe is concerned about whether Mr. J Wordswidth *believes* in him? or *loves* him? Unbearably petty. Quoting Mr. N, roughly:
"I love you-- what is it to you?" is already a sufficient critique of the whole of Christianity."

IF the universe/cosmos supports 'The Good', then it does so in consideration of lives, not 'religious affiliation' 'ritual observance' or 'theology.' I believe Luc made this same point. But the question remains whether there is an 'reward', particularly in (the form of) the survival of anything personal, be it ego, spirit, individual soul or consciousness.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

IF the universe/cosmos supports 'The Good', then it does so in consideration of lives, not 'religious affiliation' 'ritual observance' or 'theology.' I believe Luc made this same point. But the question remains whether there is an 'reward', particularly in (the form of) the survival of anything personal, be it ego, spirit, individual soul or consciousness.

Intriguing way to put it in the final line as I have been always interested in the Greek idea of the afterlife where they put that concept to practice. Essentially only those who were extraordinarily good or bad who either sowed misery for greed or did something to enlighten or aid future generations got to keep their memories of the past life. One as reward and the other as punishment. All the mediocre on the other hand, perpetually forgot and just sort of lazed around.

Sorry, your comment just brought up an interesting connection while I was overdosing on Dayquil.

 

[LadyJeanne]

All the mediocre on the other hand, perpetually forgot and just sort of lazed around.

You left out alcohol. We forget, we laze around, and we drink alcohol which helps us forget and laze around some more. Dionysus worshippers, all. And Lotus eaters. Wine, lotus and sex.

Mediocre doesn't sound so bad, does it? Who needs to remember?

 

[elsol]

Personally... I hope there is an afterlife EXACTLY like the best of the Christian mythos.

Cause the looks on the atheists' face as they stand before the pearly gates would be FUCKING priceless. I'd probably be peeing my pants laughing on the shuttle to Hell.


Sincerely,
ElSol

 

[snooper]

No - sorry - no life after death. The analogy I use to explain my belief is that of a flame. Life is like the flame of something burning; when it is extinguished it does not "go" anywhere, it just "isn't" any more.



Oh and

sorry for being off topic, but why is is spelt 'drubnk' and not drunk?

Because when you are drunk your control of your fingers isn't perfect and you get roll-over from the "N" key to the "B" key as you try to type the word. Don't just believe me; try a controlled experiment.

 

[sweetnpetite]

No - sorry - no life after death. The analogy I use to explain my belief is that of a flame. Life is like the flame of something burning; when it is extinguished it does not "go" anywhere, it just "isn't" any more.

Well, actually- the flame is extinguished, but the energy doesn't just disapear. It turns to smoke which is then disapated into the room. In a large area (or open space), with a little smoke the smoke would become quickly diluted. IN a smaller erea with a lot of smoke, the smoke would fill the room.

Saying that the flame just "isn't" is kind of like saying that if you put one drop of food coloring (or a pinch of salt) into a lake it seaces to exist when you can no longer see the color (or taste the salt.)

 

[R. Richard]

I am not worried about life after death. My concern is my signature line.

 

[sweetnpetite]

I believe in an afterlife.

but I also believe that heaven and hell are here, now.

"The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

. . . Well, actually- the flame is extinguished, but the energy doesn't just disapear. It turns to smoke which is then. . . (etc)

Your body either rots and supports maggots, or burns and becomes ashes in a pot, but the "I" of you vanishes, and leaves nothing tangible behind.

Not even 20 grams.


For me, if the people who tried to beat religion into me actually get where they all agree they are going, I would rather go to hell.

 

[Pure]

Surprises

El Sol: //Personally... I hope there is an afterlife EXACTLY like the best of the Christian mythos.

Cause the looks on the atheists' face as they stand before the pearly gates would be FUCKING priceless. I'd probably be peeing my pants laughing on the shuttle to Hell.//

Myself, I'd like there to be golden gates at heaven. I'd stand there are watch the Christians come.... and be turned away by Ali, the gatekeeper; for, it turns out God, real name Allah--all power to Him-- is Muslim.

And as to all that Christian stuff about his so called "Son", well Jeshua turns out to be just who Mohammed-- praise be his name-- says he was. A fine prophet, and Allah--all glory to Him-- is NOT pleased with anyone who elevates him to his 'right hand'-- for none is His equal.

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Afterlife?

I don't personally subscribe to the theory of hell/heaven. I believe whole heartedly in reincarnation but if one were to ask me *why* I could not give you adequate reasons.

 

[ishtat]

Dreamtime

I believe, but not in a heaven and hell, just in an "after."

In Oz the native people do not appear to separate before birth, life & death in their spiritual life and they don't go along with a linear concept of (spiritual) time either ie they don't assume past present & future and are quite happy to re order events without a time reference. I like the idea that an alledgedly primitive culture has a far more sophisticated way of viewing this issue than we do.

 

[Halo_n_horns]

After I die there will still be a whole planet full of other people, animals, plants and so on that will still be living. That's the way it's been for thousands and thousands of years, and that's the only life after death that I bother contemplating...

Unless of course it's for one of my stories, then I just have fun with the whole idea.